ESO PVP: Core Issues (Comments from 6x season 2400 bracket Gladiator/High Warlord Rogue WOW)

mutharex

I am just posting this to let you know I LOVE your parodies, this rocks, look like a true one! A TRUE Whateverlord from WoW!

Catflinger

OP,
Nice comments. As you see though, you should have left your credentials out of it.

I think you make good points about everything except #6, sneaking/stealthing. That is a core mechanic of Elder Scrolls games; in other words, you're not in WoW anymore. . Nightblades do get damage bonuses to attacks from stealth if they skill into it and that's fine.

robacooperb16_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Lets talk ESO lol....

I really want to see this game succeed and wish dev's and players would actually band together in making this happen. Please stay on topic.

Yes lets - lets actually talk about PvP as it exists in ESO, not how to make it more like WoW since these (shocking I know) are two different games/systems/user-bases/etc.

FunkyBudda

kieso wrote: »

I've been playing PVP games in MMO's for decades and like to think I can spot an imbalanced skill pretty easily and yes Bolt escape needs a nerf and I also play a Sorc, so..

sure, I've played many MMO with PvP elements for a long time as well, and to add to your comment, DK and it's skills need a nerf, especially corrosive armor + battle roar:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dk-solos-craglorn/

OH and I play a DK also, so...

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

But we all know Nightblades suck... and they cant really outrun you because u can just spam it and swap directions quickly... Stop the denial lol.

..... and you my sir, should play a sorc, then you would lol at this
but no point to discuss that.

but i agree, if your nightblades arnt able to chase a sorc, they suck

Eivar

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Hey guys! So far loving ESO, it takes up the majority of my free time(and then some) and have had a blast from day one. I just thought I would share my views and concerns on the current state of PVP in Cyrodil.

I'm not here to brag, theres thousands of other people that made it to glad in WOW, I am stating my experience in MMOrpg pvp because WOW was so successful in it's pvp and i feel it relevant.

EPIC WORLD CLASS GLORIOUS BATTLES!
This is so much fun, the concept I mean. Riding around in bands guilds fighting guilds. Pugs taking keeps. This is great, there's pvp everywhere and I love it. Anyhow here goes...

Core Problems IMO:

1.) Lag. It's just bad. I know this is something that's being worked on constantly and they are probably banging their heads against the wall in the office trying to figure this out. But it is undeniable. I think patience will eventually see this resolved.

2.)The large group bug where you constantly get kicked offline over and over until you manage to leave the group before it happens again. This is annoying and should be fixed asap.

3.) SERIOUS CLASS IMBALANCE: When I look around in a large battle and see: DK DK DK DK DK Sorc DK DK DK Sorc DK NB Temp DK DK DK Sorc Sorc Sorc Sorc...........
The signs are there and obvious for everyone to see which classes are imba. NB patch should help a little bit but Templars are being forgotten. Class Balance is the most important aspect of competitive pvp for it to work.

4.)POPULATION IMBALANCE: Lets face it the underdog perk doesn't cut it when you are outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1, Why there wasn't a system in place to make teams equal from the get go is beyond me. I suggest an auto balancing mechanism that removes players from Cyrodil who are over the balance cap.

5.) Bolt Escape: Sorry sorcs this just needs to be nerfed. Its incredibly stupid that you can teleport in nuke then leave without anyone being able to chase you down this needs a cooldown. Stop being in denial about this, always seek balance not your cake and eat it too.

6.) Everyone can "stealth" really? There should be one class who can do this and it should be their perk.... Nightblades.

7.) A reward system that doesn't cost MILLIONS of points per item. I laughed out loud when I first checked the vendors.

8.)Emperor.....This is not awarded by skill. But by time investment. There should be things in any mmo that are rewarded for time but not pvp. PVP should reward skill not whoever can neglect their family and friends the most.

All in all I have high hopes for ESO still. The game is beautiful, breathtaking and very well put together. I am not one of the naysayers that will claim GAME IS DEAD or cry about the small things. I feel Zen has a lot on their shoulders and people should give them more space and time. The game is still new.

1. haven't experienced it myself knwo a lot of people have
2. def sucks needs to be fixed
3. not just in pvp
4. not sure why having 6 low pop campaigns and one med - large is a thing, should shut down some of the low pops afterthe current campaign is up and have less campaigns with higher populations.
5. bolt escape def needs like a .5s internal cd added on, but, as is, it's counterable if you're quick and have the right skill on your bar.
6. i like that everyone can stealth, but nightblades should be exceptional at it, they aren't. invis breaks often due to bugs, if you invis near a keep then the cast animation is visible and people can just follow you regardless of your invis, until you're out of invis long enough for them to connect. also radaring hacks....lol zos needs to stomp that out now.
7. definately laughable
8. true emp should be skill based instead of time based, but saying you shouldn't get any benefits for time spent is a bit much, should def get SOMETHING, but nothing exceptional.

Kiash

How to go from full to zero credibility in 3 seconds. Admit to using WoW Arena's (what killed WoW's PvP community) as a basis for knowing what you are talking about.

Other than that, you have a valid point about lag I guess. Everything else is just horse manure, ESO player's don't want deathmatch FPS players ruining the community imo. At least all the ones I know don't.

SoulScream

7 I laughed also. All good points!

Ruddertail

Nightblades are complete murder when they work in a stealthy assassin way, hiding behind enemy lines and suddenly you have two arrows in your head with death recap up. They aren't really frontline fighters, just as sorcerers usually aren't.

There's a lot of them in cyrodiil, too. You just never see them, and then you die.

Mud_Puppy

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Hey guys! So far loving ESO, it takes up the majority of my free time(and then some) and have had a blast from day one. I just thought I would share my views and concerns on the current state of PVP in Cyrodil.

I'm not here to brag, theres thousands of other people that made it to glad in WOW, I am stating my experience in MMOrpg pvp because WOW was so successful in it's pvp and i feel it relevant.

EPIC WORLD CLASS GLORIOUS BATTLES!
This is so much fun, the concept I mean. Riding around in bands guilds fighting guilds. Pugs taking keeps. This is great, there's pvp everywhere and I love it. Anyhow here goes...

Core Problems IMO:

1.) Lag. It's just bad. I know this is something that's being worked on constantly and they are probably banging their heads against the wall in the office trying to figure this out. But it is undeniable. I think patience will eventually see this resolved.

2.)The large group bug where you constantly get kicked offline over and over until you manage to leave the group before it happens again. This is annoying and should be fixed asap.

3.) SERIOUS CLASS IMBALANCE: When I look around in a large battle and see: DK DK DK DK DK Sorc DK DK DK Sorc DK NB Temp DK DK DK Sorc Sorc Sorc Sorc...........
The signs are there and obvious for everyone to see which classes are imba. NB patch should help a little bit but Templars are being forgotten. Class Balance is the most important aspect of competitive pvp for it to work.

4.)POPULATION IMBALANCE: Lets face it the underdog perk doesn't cut it when you are outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1, Why there wasn't a system in place to make teams equal from the get go is beyond me. I suggest an auto balancing mechanism that removes players from Cyrodil who are over the balance cap.

5.) Bolt Escape: Sorry sorcs this just needs to be nerfed. Its incredibly stupid that you can teleport in nuke then leave without anyone being able to chase you down this needs a cooldown. Stop being in denial about this, always seek balance not your cake and eat it too.

6.) Everyone can "stealth" really? There should be one class who can do this and it should be their perk.... Nightblades.

7.) A reward system that doesn't cost MILLIONS of points per item. I laughed out loud when I first checked the vendors.

8.)Emperor.....This is not awarded by skill. But by time investment. There should be things in any mmo that are rewarded for time but not pvp. PVP should reward skill not whoever can neglect their family and friends the most.

All in all I have high hopes for ESO still. The game is beautiful, breathtaking and very well put together. I am not one of the naysayers that will claim GAME IS DEAD or cry about the small things. I feel Zen has a lot on their shoulders and people should give them more space and time. The game is still new.

Loved this post, I agree with about everything. #7 I I believe in an alternate solution.

-Have the gear in tiers according to the items default rarety with greatly diminished prices per upgrade level.
-Gear should encompass all Vr Levels.
-Make the gear better period.


Also as per #1 myself and other have had this issue alot, but we've tried out the new Nvidia beta driver and its shown a massive improvement so far.

EDIT: By the way I can't stand wow. So my agreement with you is unbiased.

Kevaliji

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

5.) Bolt Escape: ........ then leave without anyone being able to chase you down

a nightblade with path of darkness can easily outrun us ...... (because their skill has no block on regenerating the stamina ... ours has on magica)

NERV PATH OF DARKNESS QQ

oh, nightblades dont use that skill / or dont know it maybe ^^ ..... i feel so sad

Shhhhhhh its a secret....

Yea you're right though, Nightblades can outrun bolt escape, i raced my sorc buddy to prove it and yes, i was faster

Thats just with path of darkness. If i pop a speed increase pot, rapid maneuver, path of darknes, plus me being an orc in medium armor, well, lets just say im pretty fast.

PVT_Parts

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Hey guys! So far loving ESO, it takes up the majority of my free time(and then some) and have had a blast from day one. I just thought I would share my views and concerns on the current state of PVP in Cyrodil.

I'm not here to brag, theres thousands of other people that made it to glad in WOW, I am stating my experience in MMOrpg pvp because WOW was so successful in it's pvp and i feel it relevant.

EPIC WORLD CLASS GLORIOUS BATTLES!
This is so much fun, the concept I mean. Riding around in bands guilds fighting guilds. Pugs taking keeps. This is great, there's pvp everywhere and I love it. Anyhow here goes...

Core Problems IMO:

1.) Lag. It's just bad. I know this is something that's being worked on constantly and they are probably banging their heads against the wall in the office trying to figure this out. But it is undeniable. I think patience will eventually see this resolved.

2.)The large group bug where you constantly get kicked offline over and over until you manage to leave the group before it happens again. This is annoying and should be fixed asap.

3.) SERIOUS CLASS IMBALANCE: When I look around in a large battle and see: DK DK DK DK DK Sorc DK DK DK Sorc DK NB Temp DK DK DK Sorc Sorc Sorc Sorc...........
The signs are there and obvious for everyone to see which classes are imba. NB patch should help a little bit but Templars are being forgotten. Class Balance is the most important aspect of competitive pvp for it to work.

4.)POPULATION IMBALANCE: Lets face it the underdog perk doesn't cut it when you are outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1, Why there wasn't a system in place to make teams equal from the get go is beyond me. I suggest an auto balancing mechanism that removes players from Cyrodil who are over the balance cap.

5.) Bolt Escape: Sorry sorcs this just needs to be nerfed. Its incredibly stupid that you can teleport in nuke then leave without anyone being able to chase you down this needs a cooldown. Stop being in denial about this, always seek balance not your cake and eat it too.

6.) Everyone can "stealth" really? There should be one class who can do this and it should be their perk.... Nightblades.

7.) A reward system that doesn't cost MILLIONS of points per item. I laughed out loud when I first checked the vendors.

8.)Emperor.....This is not awarded by skill. But by time investment. There should be things in any mmo that are rewarded for time but not pvp. PVP should reward skill not whoever can neglect their family and friends the most.

All in all I have high hopes for ESO still. The game is beautiful, breathtaking and very well put together. I am not one of the naysayers that will claim GAME IS DEAD or cry about the small things. I feel Zen has a lot on their shoulders and people should give them more space and time. The game is still new.

6, no. Go play other TES games before commenting that garbage idea.