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Nightblades, if you want to know why you shouldn't roll one
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Are you interested in VR content? Have you ever been kicked from a group just because you're a nightblade? Do you care about being competitive in pvp?
Read the message in this thread by damfatcow:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p18
Weak forum software won't let me link directly to the message so you'll have to wade through the page to find it. It shouldn't be hard to find because it is a long message.
Note that I don't know him/her and I don't agree with everything he/she writes but it really does spell out some of the weaknesses in the nightblade class that ZOS devs intentionally designed into the game. Not talking about bugs but the class as it plays.
Read the message in this thread by damfatcow:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p18
Weak forum software won't let me link directly to the message so you'll have to wade through the page to find it. It shouldn't be hard to find because it is a long message.
Note that I don't know him/her and I don't agree with everything he/she writes but it really does spell out some of the weaknesses in the nightblade class that ZOS devs intentionally designed into the game. Not talking about bugs but the class as it plays.
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Bangstin✭✭✭Well, i personally knew when i decided to play as a nightblade with a bow/dw that i most likely wouldn't ever be the optimal or sought after choice in group content so i was personally ok with that from the day one.
It's the bugs with the class that kill my will to play my nightblade sometimes though.
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fyrefenix✭✭✭same thing for templars.
read my signature for it is the truth. ********(infact it should be the text written on the elder scrolls themselves)***********Natjur ✭✭✭
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There is currently only two classes in this game, DK and Sorcs.
Templar's and NB are just 'extras' that have not been removed yet.0 -
People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc Edited by ipkonfigcub18_ESO on 28 May 2014 21:200 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭I assume you are not using Volcanic Rune as part of your build. If you were then you would never have had to make this post about how ineffective nightblades are and you would have instead said 'holy baby kittens! Its like I am playing god mode.' That is how OP you are with Volcanic rune.0 -
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There will always be elitist jerks who refuse to play with x class in their group because it's not good enough when they PUG. These people are what they are, don't play with them and find someone else who is willing to play with your class.
Also fixes will happen, others will be nerfed. Each class will have its time at the top or bottom eventually, as is the way of MMO class balance.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
That's how I play!
This alleviates a lot of worry for me, tells me I'm on the right track heading into VR content. What's your build like?
I'd like a little more CC for packs of more than 2 mobs, and I'm still largely useless in groups, but otherwise this pleases me."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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PvE wise I agree, nightblades are essentially a burden...unless youre doing something other than DW/Bow (I use DW+resto staff offhand, only recently though). PvP wise though...I (among other NB's in my pvp guild) destroy just about anyone.
Mark of death is the bread and butter though. Mark of death on either bow or DW = win
Typical fight is: Mark of death>Ambush (morph from teleport strike. Ambush makes your next attack do 36% more damage if I remember)>Surprise attack/stealth surprise attack (if you want 100% chance to crit)>execute
In case they arent low enough for your execute: Surprise attack again
Stealth+Ambush for bonus
Alternatively Mark of death+bow
You're welcome, you should generally win just about any fight with that.0 -
Darzil✭✭✭Don't find them too bad, so far (VR2 Bow Nightblade). Only real issue has been lack of responsiveness and buggy combat controls, but I can't really see that only NB would suffer from that. Nothing more frustrating than hitting the dirt then seeing "you cannot use that" come up 2 seconds later for the potion or skill you used earlier. (Edit - I take that back, 3 rollbacks in one hour was more frustrating)Edited by Darzil on 28 May 2014 21:320
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ShedsHisTail wrote: »ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
That's how I play!
This alleviates a lot of worry for me, tells me I'm on the right track heading into VR content. What's your build like?
I'd like a little more CC for packs of more than 2 mobs, and I'm still largely useless in groups, but otherwise this pleases me.
I'll upload another video fighting 3 mobs at once later tonight. There are essentially two ways of handling those groups (since ZOS made Shades useless, I found another way of getting around them).Edited by ipkonfigcub18_ESO on 28 May 2014 21:360 -
vicNBitis✭✭✭ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »someone missed the point of the video and got mad.
No, someone thinks everyone with an NB already has zero issues handling two packs and solo mobs. And someone also thinks "people record this s*^t?!?"
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the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »PvE wise I agree, nightblades are essentially a burden...unless youre doing something other than DW/Bow (I use DW+resto staff offhand, only recently though). PvP wise though...I (among other NB's in my pvp guild) destroy just about anyone.
Mark of death is the bread and butter though. Mark of death on either bow or DW = win
Typical fight is: Mark of death>Ambush (morph from teleport strike. Ambush makes your next attack do 36% more damage if I remember)>Surprise attack/stealth surprise attack (if you want 100% chance to crit)>execute
In case they arent low enough for your execute: Surprise attack again
Stealth+Ambush for bonus
Alternatively Mark of death+bow
You're welcome, you should generally win just about any fight with that.
Swap Teleport Strike for your execute instead (video above) and morph it to a Heal and Magicka regen upon kill (basically you execute for free with the regen).
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✭✭✭ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
Yes that amazing single target DPS at VR8 is all that is required for Trials. We should all get a guaranteed spot.
/facepalm
That isn't even impressive for a NB since I know that if you are going against a groups of 3+ you will have problems. While a siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time in VR9 /10 public dungeons as well as being able to solo most Craglorn delves up to the bosses.Edited by PBpsy on 28 May 2014 21:35ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »PvE wise I agree, nightblades are essentially a burden...unless youre doing something other than DW/Bow (I use DW+resto staff offhand, only recently though). PvP wise though...I (among other NB's in my pvp guild) destroy just about anyone.
Mark of death is the bread and butter though. Mark of death on either bow or DW = win
Typical fight is: Mark of death>Ambush (morph from teleport strike. Ambush makes your next attack do 36% more damage if I remember)>Surprise attack/stealth surprise attack (if you want 100% chance to crit)>execute
In case they arent low enough for your execute: Surprise attack again
Stealth+Ambush for bonus
Alternatively Mark of death+bow
You're welcome, you should generally win just about any fight with that.
Swap Ambush for the execute instead (video above) and morph it to a Heal and Magicka regen upon kill (basically you execute for free with the regen).
I do that in pve. I have that morph, i just swap ambush for volcanic rune.
Stealth+surprise attack+execute+volcanic rune+whatever i need else. I was speaking pvp wise for 'my' build
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✭ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
That's how I play!
This alleviates a lot of worry for me, tells me I'm on the right track heading into VR content. What's your build like?
I'd like a little more CC for packs of more than 2 mobs, and I'm still largely useless in groups, but otherwise this pleases me.
I'll upload another video fighting 3 mobs at once later tonight. There are essentially two ways of handling those groups (since ZOS make Shades useless, I found another way of getting around them).
Honestly, I'd be super stoked if they made it so I could use Agony without breaking stealth. That would solve every thing. lol
"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
Yes that amazing single target DPS at VR8 is all that is required for Trials. We should all get a guaranteed spot.
/facepalm
That isn't even impressive for a NB since I know that if you are going against a groups of 3+ you will have problems. While a siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time in VR9 /10 public dungeons as well as being able to solo most Craglorn delves up to the bosses.
This is not V12 zone. I do not have problems with 3 mobs, either. Point of the video was displaying Mark Target, nothing more. Looking deeper into the video and over analyzing it will only end you in a dark lonely position.
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ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
Yes that amazing single target DPS at VR8 is all that is required for Trials. We should all get a guaranteed spot.
/facepalm
That isn't even impressive for a NB since I know that if you are going against a groups of 3+ you will have problems. While a siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time in VR9 /10 public dungeons as well as being able to solo most Craglorn delves up to the bosses.
Furthermore: You are describing a re-stealth bug in the game. I know exactly where you are coming up with this "siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time" garbage. Look closer at HIS video and you'll notice the player has high latency and is able to get the mobs to bug out after coming out of stealth and stand there for 3sec before they engage him. That is why he is able to pull this off.
I cannot do this because as soon as I come out of shadowry the second time the mobs are on me instantly (they are NOT in his video) - I have good latency (and choose not to use a latency app to exploit the game, either)
Please use your head.Edited by ipkonfigcub18_ESO on 28 May 2014 21:460 -
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Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
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Sorry I kind of mixed myself between this thread and what they were talking in the linked thread .If you are saying that the NB can be played really great for zone pve I agree completely.I ran a very similar build up to VR 7 without MT though worked great and was a lot of fun. I also played a destro staff NB and worked nicely. Now I am doing a tank S&B siphoning heavy armor guy and he is scary up to VR10 solo.ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
Yes that amazing single target DPS at VR8 is all that is required for Trials. We should all get a guaranteed spot.
/facepalm
That isn't even impressive for a NB since I know that if you are going against a groups of 3+ you will have problems. While a siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time in VR9 /10 public dungeons as well as being able to solo most Craglorn delves up to the bosses.
This is not V12 zone. I do not have problems with 3 mobs, either. Point of the video was displaying Mark Target, nothing more. Looking deeper into the video and over analyzing it will only end you in a dark lonely position.
I also understand that for trials we are almost completely useful and even for VR dungeons we are not very useful outside of a few builds.Edited by PBpsy on 28 May 2014 21:50ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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Sorry I kind of mixed myself between this thread and what they were talking in the linked thread .If you are saying that the NB can be played really great for zone pve I agree completely.I ran a very similar build up to VR 7 without MT though worked great and was a lot of fun. I also played a destro staff NB and worked nicely. Now I am doing a tank S&B siphoning heavy armor guy and he is scary up to VR10 solo.ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
Yes that amazing single target DPS at VR8 is all that is required for Trials. We should all get a guaranteed spot.
/facepalm
That isn't even impressive for a NB since I know that if you are going against a groups of 3+ you will have problems. While a siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time in VR9 /10 public dungeons as well as being able to solo most Craglorn delves up to the bosses.
This is not V12 zone. I do not have problems with 3 mobs, either. Point of the video was displaying Mark Target, nothing more. Looking deeper into the video and over analyzing it will only end you in a dark lonely position.
I also understand that for trials we are almost completely useful and even for VR dungeons we are not very useful outside of a few builds.
I've always been curious, but don't have to gold to sate said curiosity but, could you use siphoning and Sword and board to make a Medium Armor avoidance tank viable? Utilizing skills like Evasion and/or Blur? Or are the armor values and such just way too low?"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »
You missed the point of this thread. See the definition of archetype.
NBs can get through the content. But everything is relative. How else would you know whether you are ahead, behind, or standing in place?0 -
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✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »
Sorry I kind of mixed myself between this thread and what they were talking in the linked thread .If you are saying that the NB can be played really great for zone pve I agree completely.I ran a very similar build up to VR 7 without MT though worked great and was a lot of fun. I also played a destro staff NB and worked nicely. Now I am doing a tank S&B siphoning heavy armor guy and he is scary up to VR10 solo.ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »People who kick NBs from groups have NBs that don't know how to play well
I'm V7 fighting V8 in this video
It's all in the wrist! (here's me last night)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VotpeaJdAWc
Yes that amazing single target DPS at VR8 is all that is required for Trials. We should all get a guaranteed spot.
/facepalm
That isn't even impressive for a NB since I know that if you are going against a groups of 3+ you will have problems. While a siphoning tank can take up to 12 at a time in VR9 /10 public dungeons as well as being able to solo most Craglorn delves up to the bosses.
This is not V12 zone. I do not have problems with 3 mobs, either. Point of the video was displaying Mark Target, nothing more. Looking deeper into the video and over analyzing it will only end you in a dark lonely position.
I also understand that for trials we are almost completely useful and even for VR dungeons we are not very useful outside of a few builds.
I've always been curious, but don't have to gold to sate said curiosity but, could you use siphoning and Sword and board to make a Medium Armor avoidance tank viable? Utilizing skills like Evasion and/or Blur? Or are the armor values and such just way too low?
I do not know how viable that would be. But I think it could be possible.
I am going Heavy mainly because of the reduced block cost and the increased healing received from Sap Essence which is my spam for ultimate . Some people say that the best way for absolutely anything would be going light but I am not convinced yet.
PS.
Anybody can recommended a video capture program that is not very demanding on hardware.Edited by PBpsy on 28 May 2014 22:05ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
ShedsHisTail wrote: »That's how I play!
This alleviates a lot of worry for me, tells me I'm on the right track heading into VR content. What's your build like?
I'd like a little more CC for packs of more than 2 mobs, and I'm still largely useless in groups, but otherwise this pleases me.
Well I tried something the other night and found it no longer works! Our ability (Agony) to stun a mob for 12sec is pointless now. From a distance when you use Agony to stun one of the three mobs they all come running after you - which kills your opportunity to sneak up and do your surprise attack.
Anyway, ShedsHisTail, here is how I deal with 3 mobs using basically the same tactics, just with more caution.
The idea here is: Kill the 1st mob ASAP and get the heal along with the Weapon Damage Buff Marked Target gives you for killing the mob with the debuff.
http://youtu.be/iKqVsDr8KkU 0