Do I need to say any more?

Censorious

Liquid_Time

Nope. Sums most of it up.

MaxBat

Um ... damn ... [stares] ... and damn again ...

Do they make a buff for that?

Edit: Did you see the note at the bottom? You can buy a restore heath potion, in case you didn't know ...

jonal11_ESO

They have already said the death recap shows the total damage done by abilities not one use of it. So he could have hit you 10 times for 265 damage and the death recap would show 2650 damage.

Also they said they are looking to make it "clearer".

Mablung

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

They have already said the death recap shows the total damage done by abilities not one use of it. So he could have hit you 10 times for 265 damage and the death recap would show 2650 damage.

Also they said they are looking to make it "clearer".

That recap is what the mob hits your for at death. You know how we know, because you die. Unless it is the worst bug ever and it hits you with 10 consecutive abilities instantaneously then what they are telling you is a lie.

magickats242cub18_ESO

It's a DOT. If you stand on it, you die.

KracsNZ

Mablung wrote: »

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

They have already said the death recap shows the total damage done by abilities not one use of it. So he could have hit you 10 times for 265 damage and the death recap would show 2650 damage.

Also they said they are looking to make it "clearer".

That recap is what the mob hits your for at death. You know how we know, because you die. Unless it is the worst bug ever and it hits you with 10 consecutive abilities instantaneously then what they are telling you is a lie.

Lol, I remember the Vampire Lord bug from the ol' Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall. Open a door to a vampire and he'd hit you with hundreds of spells in less than a second. Scariest mob in the game because of the bug.

Censorious

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

They have already said the death recap shows the total damage done by abilities not one use of it. So he could have hit you 10 times for 265 damage and the death recap would show 2650 damage.

Also they said they are looking to make it "clearer".

What difference does it make? The damage was done within 1 second whether it was one shot or a hundred. There was no time to block, dodge or react in any way. Death was instantaneous.

Sharee

Censorious wrote: »

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

They have already said the death recap shows the total damage done by abilities not one use of it. So he could have hit you 10 times for 265 damage and the death recap would show 2650 damage.

Also they said they are looking to make it "clearer".

What difference does it make? The damage was done within 1 second whether it was one shot or a hundred. There was no time to block, dodge or react in any way. Death was instantaneous.

That screen does not show whether the death was instantaneous or not. You might have stood in fire for a minute, the final screen would show all the fire ticks added together as the damage that killed you (it would show "Stood in fire: 10000 damage")

Mablung

magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »

It's a DOT. If you stand on it, you die.

Thats fine that it is a DoT. What is not fine is the inability to mitigate any of the damage. If it is the spell I am thinking it is where the mob ports to your location, it is difficult to roll out of and impossible to interrupt. So that should leave you with a chance to mitigate some of the dmg, but this game is not made for damage mitigation in normal PvE situations.

NordJitsu

First, what level are you?

Second, what armor are you wearing?

Third, what damage mitigation skills were you using?

Fourth, why didn't you dodge roll?

magickats242cub18_ESO

Mablung wrote: »

magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »

It's a DOT. If you stand on it, you die.

Thats fine that it is a DoT. What is not fine is the inability to mitigate any of the damage. If it is the spell I am thinking it is where the mob ports to your location, it is difficult to roll out of and impossible to interrupt. So that should leave you with a chance to mitigate some of the dmg, but this game is not made for damage mitigation in normal PvE situations.

I know the spell you speak, and I don't have any trouble running out of the red circle, don't even try to block. Let the baddy do his thing, then go back and whack the heck out of him.

Censorious

OK - you want chapter and verse?

I'm a VR2 sorc, light armour, some medium, 2 staffs - usual setup. Been playing RvR since beta. PvP in MMOs since the last millenium.

We broke into the inner keep (I think it was Roebeck - don't remember). As usual, there was a lot of visual noise, spells going off in all directions, some player defenders mixed in with the guards.
Red circles, green circles, fire, fountains, all sorts of crap everywhere.

Not first in, I'm wearing light armour remember? I let the melee break through first.
I BE through the wrecked doors, take a quick look - can't see any enemy players. Another BE through the first flag room toward the second, already occupied by some of our melee fighting. I think I see some enemy players so I move forward some more toward the fighting trying to find a target.
Yes, there are circles on the ground, all sorts of colours - very pretty. Whose? couldn't say, game doesn't differentiate.

BLAM! - I'm dead.

In an open field fight where you can see what's going on, it's maybe reasonable to say 'stay out the red circles' although it's poor game design to have enemy AoE spells indistinguishable from friendly.
In a close-quarters fire-fight all you can do is trust to luck and maybe guess where enemy fire is likely to be.
This particular skill (I think) is the one where the NPC ports into your face and gives you all of half-a-second to dodge before it blows you away. In all the visual noise, I simply didn't see it.

murklor007neb18_ESO

Considering we know how the archer AoE works (~500 HP lost every 0.5 second) and this magick attack presumably work the same...

Lets say that you're a little slow in the brain and take 3 seconds to walk out of a fairly small AoE circle. Easy, right? Well that's still 900 dps. Just look at a darn clock and imagine that damage. If you have 2000 HP - a fairly normal amount, especially assuming some damage already - that's down to 1100 HP in 1 second. 200 HP the next second.

So yeah... It being a DoT doesnt really matter now, does it?

NPC damage remain completely out of whack. Its easier to face a single veteran rank troll (which is actually a veteran ranked veteran rank troll) with 9000+ HP than it is facing 2 trash 2500HP mobs with specific abilities (pyromancer comes to mind, stand in melee range and miss the wave attack - insta-death).

I wouldnt have a problem if dodging was detached from your normal stamina drain (like GW2, its a separate "stamina" bar that doesnt affect your combat ability) so that you could dodge 2, 3 hell maybe even more times in combat. But you cant, because if you dodge your sword go limp.

WilliamTee

When it's single casts that do that damage, come say hi.

renaud.moyneb16_ESO

No, no need to say anymore... please... don't !

Censorious

Actually, I think I'm beginning to understand the thinking behind this.

Z don't want a small number of players to be able to take a keep. (Say 10 for argument's sake). All you have to do is to 'execute' 10 players out of the invading force.
If they number more than 10 you want to let the remainder through so you give your 10 NPC defenders a one-shot, guaranteed kill on a fairly long CD and enough health that they can't be killed quickly even by 10 players at once.

I guess that would do it.

zaria

KracsNZ wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

jonal11_ESO wrote: »

They have already said the death recap shows the total damage done by abilities not one use of it. So he could have hit you 10 times for 265 damage and the death recap would show 2650 damage.

Also they said they are looking to make it "clearer".

That recap is what the mob hits your for at death. You know how we know, because you die. Unless it is the worst bug ever and it hits you with 10 consecutive abilities instantaneously then what they are telling you is a lie.

Lol, I remember the Vampire Lord bug from the ol' Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall. Open a door to a vampire and he'd hit you with hundreds of spells in less than a second. Scariest mob in the game because of the bug.

Yes, then you got 100% spell reflect he was still scary, sneaking up to you and exploding as all the spells was returned

zaria

Censorious wrote: »

Actually, I think I'm beginning to understand the thinking behind this.

Z don't want a small number of players to be able to take a keep. (Say 10 for argument's sake). All you have to do is to 'execute' 10 players out of the invading force.
If they number more than 10 you want to let the remainder through so you give your 10 NPC defenders a one-shot, guaranteed kill on a fairly long CD and enough health that they can't be killed quickly even by 10 players at once.

I guess that would do it.

Its a DoT as other says, same as dungeon bosses have, if you stay in it you tend to die, move out and heal and its no issue, we took multiple resources without anybody dying with 15 man after the change.

And yes reason to buff the NPC is that a 6 man group of low level veterans was able to take resources in minutes, was easier with 6 than with 15 now.

Censorious

Resources are easy, especially if undefended. If you do get targeted by one of the NPCs you stand a good chance of getting clear and surviving.

But you don't stand any chance of being able to take the resource if you don't have enough players to take down the NPC while your unfortunate comrade recovers and before it recharges it's attack.

Anywhere where there is a defence, it becomes far more difficult. Especially inside a building where there's limited room to manoeuvre. It's not enough to simply dodge an attack, you need to get out of range of any follow up. These NPCs seem to focus players together.

AlexDougherty

MaxBat wrote: »

Um ... damn ... [stares] ... and damn again ...

Do they make a buff for that?

Edit: Did you see the note at the bottom? You can buy a restore heath potion, in case you didn't know ...

There is a passive that disintegrates the enemy if they are low on health in that skill line. But I don't know if that would do it.

frwinters_ESO

Need more spell resistance.

Reivax

KracsNZ wrote: »

Lol, I remember the Vampire Lord bug from the ol' Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall. Open a door to a vampire and he'd hit you with hundreds of spells in less than a second. Scariest mob in the game because of the bug.

You have a good memory! Daggerfall seems so long ago, I can barely remember much about it. It was quite a game at the time, though.