Okay, I really want to know.

JD2013

Let mwe start this thread by saying let's not turn this into a flaming war and whatnot please. This is a thread of general curiosity and discussion.

Now, I have been playing this game since Beta. I have seen the problems, I have played quite a few hours in the game (Not as many as I would like, of course, real world stuff often gets in the way!) but I am genuinely enjoying the game. In fact, I am enjoying it more than I have any MMO in the last 10 years. Putting Elder Scrolls into an MMO excited me when I first heard about it, and the game has, thus far, failed to disappoint me. Sure I have had rollbacks and disconnections, a couple of glitches here and there, but nothing truly major. It has not impeded my gaming, and the love I hold for the Elder Scrolls as a whole. In fact, it has only added to it.

My interactions with customer service at Zenimax have always been swift and dealt with in a timely manner.

Now, my question is this - why is there so much hatred and negativity towards this game? I have not seen such a level of animosity in a long time. I come on here or several other forums for the game, and the level of people saying that they want to quit, that there's not enough content, that the content is bad, that Zenimax are doing everything wrong - it genuinely shocks me. Every time I get to log on, I have an absolute blast. This game has me even more than Skyrim did, and that was a lot!

This game is not even three months old. There are problems, nobody is denying that, but they seem to be blown up out of all proportion. Why? I genuinely need to know. I have not seen so much negativity in a community in so long, and I really can not understand it. I think the game is great, and will only get better as the devs continue to add to it and grow the game.

Gisgo

Because it lags!!! If it didnt, id be online playing.
FFS!

Nivzruo_ESO

Outrageous imbalance issues, only 1 style of pvp ( AvA ), broken classes/bugs/exploits.

Nox_Aeterna

Each person got their reasons , but if i had to tell you one , it would have been craglorn patch.

Now , im not saying the patch was a bad idea , neither that it should not have happened.

Problem is , the patch was supposed to be this big game change that should be a great improvement.

Instead the patch broke many things and made tons of players unhappy.

The reason i think this was a major hit is quite simple , instead of showing the game going foward with time , it showed that they to add something made an even bigger mess than ever and did not improve as much as people thought it would in the end.

Maleficus

The game is brand new, SWTOR was *** 3 years ago when it came out.. No it is a solid MMO with loads of *** to do...

Give this game time to mature a little....

hamon

oh let me see

1. whole weapon lines broken (passives not working or skills not functioning) or just completely underpowered
2. class balance is the worst ive seen in any MMO to date.
3. stamina builds are a joke
4. heavy armour is a joke
5. vet mode is poor as a concept and in implementation
6. general bugs and issues not fixed since beta

basically its probably great fun if you play dk or sorc and enjoy using staffs and light armour.. if that aint your bag its not much fun

i havent went into detail cos for each heading ive listed you can easily find long and detailed threads dedicated to each item already on the forums

Doctoruniverse

You could also say its apologists like yourself who make developers think that everything is fine.

Sorcerer bolt escape bug where you can still cast it but it dosnt move you anywhere.

Then we have their giant blunder of mistakenly increasing difficulty on vr 1-10 content so much that it is unplayable for people leveling up ( im vr12, but still zeni really ??)

Then they start banning people for playing the game in a way they dont it to be played.

Its so hard to tell now what is legal and what isnt. But if you gain alot of power, then you bet your ass a nerf or ban is coming.

They dont fix bugs, instead they make the game even worse.

I had a bug where I was duel wielding 2 axes and secondary was resto staff. Only problem was if I want to change weapons and then change back again I couldnt because resto staff would become stuck. The funny thing is I could not even attack with the resto staff on duelwield line making it so I had no autoattack at all.

I could go on and on but why bother you will just say the same thing as every other moron who likes getting ripped off by zenimax. BUT ITS A NEW GAME!!!!

I will say this again and again you dont show up too the MMO fight with a handicapped MMO againsts the heavyweights.

MMO should get better with each year passing but they dont, since wow every other MMO has been such a degraded cashgrab that you are starting to wonder if developers even want to make a decent mmo. JUST SAYING!

AaronTheBossMan

Most of us have been waiting for an Elder Scroll MMO for a very long time. I have loved Elder Scrolls from the very start. So I guess I have very high standards as to what this game should, and possibly still could be. I guess it comes down to some people taking the game more serious than others.

JD2013

Doctoruniverse wrote: »

You could also say its apologists like yourself who make developers think that everything is fine.

Sorcerer bolt escape bug where you can still cast it but it dosnt move you anywhere.

Then we have their giant blunder of mistakenly increasing difficulty on vr 1-10 content so much that it is unplayable for people leveling up ( im vr12, but still zeni really ??)

Then they start banning people for playing the game in a way they dont it to be played.

Its so hard to tell now what is legal and what isnt. But if you gain alot of power, then you bet your ass a nerf or ban is coming.

They dont fix bugs, instead they make the game even worse.

I had a bug where I was duel wielding 2 axes and secondary was resto staff. Only problem was if I want to change weapons and then change back again I couldnt because resto staff would become stuck. The funny thing is I could not even attack with the resto staff on duelwield line making it so I had no autoattack at all.

I could go on and on but why bother you will just say the same thing as every other moron who likes getting ripped off by zenimax. BUT ITS A NEW GAME!!!!

I will say this again and again you dont show up too the MMO fight with a handicapped MMO against a heavyweights.

MMO should get better with each year passing but they dont, since wow every other MMO has been such a degraded cashgrab that you are starting to wonder if developers even want to make a decent mmo. JUST SAYING!

I'm an apologist because I enjoy the game?

Also, pretty sire I said no flaming.

JUST SAYING!

poodlemasterb16_ESO

The game is wonderful. It's funny well written and thought out.

It's also a monster by any software standards. A huge,massively interconnected thing. There are gonna be bugs and their various relatives. The fine balance may be adjusted for a long time and I expect some fairly big changes here and there but overall I am impressed.

Go ahead unsub. It will leave the forums in a more useful state and may attract some adults even.

TicToc

JD2013 wrote: »

I'm an apologist because I enjoy the game?

Also, pretty sire I said no flaming.

JUST SAYING!

Sorry, but you can't say what you want and dictate how others respond. You complain that someone calls you an apologist while you say that people that are complaining are "blowing it out of all proportion". It is a two way street, and you are not authorized to block off the oncoming lanes.

Admittedly the game has it's good points, but the bad points are very real. Taken individually they could be tolerated, but they add up quickly and it is taking it's toll. The patch broke as many things as it fixed, and frankly, they have made some very poor decisions in changes they have made. Some rather major problems have been lingering since launch.

TicToc

DP

circilion

To the OP.

With you on every count! Love the game, Love the franchise, Love the idea.

This is the list of my problems.

1. I'm generally a solo player, I was doing fine in Vet content until last patch now I'm capped. I have tried grouping to quest but its a huge pain in the ass finding a partner who is near to the areas you want to quest in.

2. I can't play PvP which looks amazing from the videos due to the Memory Bleed Bug for macs, which has been around since beta but still not resolved.

3. All the other random lag/quest/random glitch issues I can generally live with.


I am not unsubbing, but I am walking away from the game for a while hoping they fix things in the next month or so. Currently Downloading EVE again. now THAT is an MMO.. Although I'm not sure if anyone actually plays it anymore haha.

Loco_Mofo

Expectations set too high IMO.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO

Maleficus wrote: »

SWTOR was *** 3 years ago.

And it's still *** today.

Crisscross

It's a bit weird because, yes, in my experience the representatives and support people of ZOS are some of if not THE nicest and most helpful folks I've seen from a game company.

The problem is the game itself is just so out of whack =/ I have played almost every MMO out there, and during every launch I've managed to, for the most part, shrug off the issues and complaints of the launch rage. Not this time. It's seriously.. quite bad.

To sum up, glaring imbalances, bugged skills, schizophrenic design choices, exploits running wild, bots running wild, lackluster dungeon rewards, lackluster PVP rewards, and surely more that other people will happily bring up. It seems like the only way someone could enjoy this game is if they were a casual solo quester that did nothing but keep to themselves and enjoy questing in their own little world.

... oh wait! Not so much anymore since ZOS went and turned the lowbie armors into poop! Now we can't even be happy with how our characters look during our relaxing solo adventures. If that wasn't enough for you, they even made some characters themselves look different by arbitrarily changing hair and face appearances. Utter trollface decisions across the board.

Cogo

Not sure I am the one who should reply since I am happy with ESO.

But I believe the most who dont like ESO is because they had an idea what the game was gonna be. Like a competitor to WoW.

Its a new game, which really attracts some people, others who expected Skyrim online, WoW, but better or simply did not like the game (Thats allowed you know).

When ESO finds its place and people start understanding what type it is, the ask again I think.

Seams a lot of critisism (most rightly so) has been around pvp. Yes, ESO is a MMO with Tamriel in conflict over who is the rightful leader of the whole land.

But the pvp part is one of many parts.

Lovely

Before we get into anything, put your class, weapon choice, level and server up, please. Also if you play solo or in group.

babylon

IMO it's arrogance, generally not listening to us, nerfing the game over bots and wrecking the game for players, lack of competent patches, refusal to patch bugs we feel important, insistence on punitive measures and excessive goldsinks which basically encourage the goldsellers to make a home in ESO, the hideous grind at vet levels...stuff like that.

ciannait

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Expectations set too high IMO.

$14.95 a month plus the cost of the box worth is not too high. "Functional" shouldn't be a low bar to clear.

TRIP233

JD2013 wrote: »

Let mwe start this thread by saying let's not turn this into a flaming war and whatnot please. This is a thread of general curiosity and discussion.

This game is not even three months old. There are problems, nobody is denying that, but they seem to be blown up out of all proportion. Why? I genuinely need to know. I have not seen so much negativity in a community in so long, and I really can not understand it. I think the game is great, and will only get better as the devs continue to add to it and grow the game.

I agree with you. The game isn't even that old, and Zenimax is new to MMO's, there is bound to be a mistake here and there, and Zenimax is doing everything they can to fix them in a timely manner.

I usually give games 6 months to deal with all the major issues after release. Seeing as Zenimax is new to MMO's I'm willing to give them a little extra time in my own personal patience.

babylon

TRIP233 wrote: »

everyone that is bashing on it because of issues are whinny, impatient people, that where coddled as a child and into adulthood. It's time for their coddling to end and them to grow up.

OP asked people not to turn this into a flame war. How about you butt out of a conversation if you're unable to remain civil?

Avidus

I see far too many people adding their 2 cents, which i fine..
But there is a line between saying 'This is bugged, this is the circumstance where it has happened.'
And saying 'This is broken fix it or I quit.'

Unfortunately the latter is more common.

This rage is essentially the effect that you get when a game as hyped and as big as ESO is released.
Players see advertisements hear amazing things, they flock to the game and have a couple of bad experiences, these players then take to the forums and other social media to investigate the issue (Which is good.)
The problem is then created when these players lose their patience, they see other people who have had the same issue, they see several threads regarding the same issues, which is the result of people not being patient to search for what they are after.

So what you find on the forums is essentially a list of things people do not like..
Now there are 2 things that can happen from this.
1. Overwhelming negativity stunts the growth or the game or forces it to develop in a negative way. (Certain issues are prioritized incorrectly or considered overlooked by players when they are simply not the bigger priority.) this unfortunately can cause people to turn their head instead of purchasing the game..
So by these people who are asking for help, and fueling each other into a rage are unintentionally, actively destroying the game.

2. The negative attitude that surrounds this game works as a huge advertisement, so everybody knows what the game is.
And if its causing a big scene, everybody wants to look, It actually attracts people to the game to see what its all about.
People arrive at the game, discover that its actually really amazing and continue to play it, thus expanding the player base.

Now for those who think I am bending over for ZoS...
I understand the issues that are at hand, some that I agree should have been fixed sooner, and should be on the top of the priority list. I do not have to list these, you already know them.
But the best thing to do in this situation is to send in-game feedback using /feedback
If you swear and carrying on like a child ZoS is nowhere near as likely to think 'I want to help this person'
If you are polite, professional and helpful ZoS will more than likely go alright lets bump this up the priority list, this is harming potential longtime players.

Also guys remember, the forums display a tiny portion of the players that play the game.

Maleficus

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

Maleficus wrote: »

SWTOR was *** 3 years ago.

And it's still *** today.

I am sure you are fully aware of the new content and have played through it all and can rightfully so can form such an opinion...

renaud.moyneb16_ESO

to OP :

lag and absence of communication mostly.

other topics are mostly nerdrage and frustrated basement-entitled-whatever rants.

TRIP233

babylon wrote: »

TRIP233 wrote: »

everyone that is bashing on it because of issues are whinny, impatient people, that where coddled as a child and into adulthood. It's time for their coddling to end and them to grow up.

OP asked people not to turn this into a flame war. How about you butt out of a conversation if you're unable to remain civil?

How bout not flaming a flame. Adding fire to the fuel doesn't put out the fire.

Zubba

@JD2013 very good points

babylon

TRIP233 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

TRIP233 wrote: »

everyone that is bashing on it because of issues are whinny, impatient people, that where coddled as a child and into adulthood. It's time for their coddling to end and them to grow up.

OP asked people not to turn this into a flame war. How about you butt out of a conversation if you're unable to remain civil?

How bout not flaming a flame. Adding fire to the fuel doesn't put out the fire.

That wasn't a flame, that was a suggestion for you to remain civil. Not sure why you're still trying to cause problems here, surely you can see calling a bunch of people "whiney children" (or words to that effect) is rude.

anakaki

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Outrageous imbalance issues, only 1 style of pvp ( AvA ), broken classes/bugs/exploits.

This.

In addition, each guild raid we have 2-3 random people crashing which I hear is great for completing trials (log back in and start at the beginning).

This is unplayable for me atleast.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

I love the game, but the balancing makes me almost rage quiting every day.. While i still love the game..

I dont care about some bugs, they will get fixed eventually, but i do care about balancing..

Trials party's Sorc/DK..
PvP Sorc/DK
Everything else Sorc/DK..

We only got 2 classes in this game at this moment, and Temps + NB are on the sideline crying out loud for help.. And each week we are waiting and waiting

Cogo

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

I love the game, but the balancing makes me almost rage quiting every day.. While i still love the game..

I dont care about some bugs, they will get fixed eventually, but i do care about balancing..

Trials party's Sorc/DK..
PvP Sorc/DK
Everything else Sorc/DK..

We only got 2 classes in this game at this moment, and Temps + NB are on the sideline crying out loud for help.. And each week we are waiting and waiting

Patience....they are balancing, but taking their time to go through everything.
Just like Night blade gets their own fix patch, I guess Templar will get one too....but not really as big since templar has been the only class that has class skills to be a great tank, damage dealer, healer and soloer.

They have pick something to be good at and something to be less good at, as a class.