Is it worth being a Vampire?

Clarebear

Having a hard time deciding if it is worth being a Vampire endgame for a Sorcerer for both pvp and pve…why is is it good or why is it bad?

Falmer

Its more of a Role-playing choice for me rather than anything. I have a life-draining NB, who fits the role of vampire perfectly and thus became one. None of my other characters will likely become one.

In the end, you only have a few skills you can have active at a time anyway. In some cases, the vampire skills aren't going to be better than something else you could choose. There are a few passives that will increase your mana regen, which I guess would help, but most of the passives won't do anything other than help mitigate the negatives of being a vampire.

The only enemies I usually need life-draining abilities with my other characters are all immune to the vampire life-drain anyway.

Kililin

Yes because the bloodsucking non sparkling variant of vampires is teh ***.

Ultimate is good for solo aoe grinding.
Passives are nice, especially the stealth one for quest grinding.

Fire damage really hurts, especially from boss mobs with fire auto attack.
But i was too lazy to get some resist gear.

RylukShouja

I enjoy my vampire, but it would be hard (especially once you hit VR levels or in pvp) without some sort of fire resistance. I play a Dunmer, so I inherently get ~1500 resist iirc off my racial passive, and that is plenty of resist for normal questing. Just kill the fire mages first .

The ultimate is a great "oh ***" button if you accidentally pull an extra group of mobs and the drain essence skill is great for building ultimate and more than makes up for the crappy health regen you get as a vampire (mine is 10 at VR2, compared to 35ish with my non-vamp level 37 DK).

Some of the passives are pretty nice. The damage resist helps if you're in a tough fight and the passive magicka/stamina regen is very nice.

Clarebear

thanks for the info so far.

hk11

I like it on my dk even though ww might be better. The drain stun is pretty nice for questing. You can always change it and its only like 5k.

Cogo

When they released both vampires and warewolfs, I was trying to find out to good and the bad with them. Didn't really get a proper answer.

Well, its new so things will be changed, Ill leave this up to when stuff are more balanced.........this was my thinking over a month ago.

I still am uncertain over the pro and cons of both these classes. But as vampires I have understood that working as it should, you gain damage abilities? And the big drawback is to feed and being very sensitive to fire?

Sounds good. I still dont choose to be one, but I like as many choices and possible. Its interesting to see how many Builds there are and what they can do.
I only mean skills who are not broken/op, but working as they should.

Vampire sounds pretty interesting. You have extra good attack abilties, but if players with fire damage skills attack you...you are toast. Makes sense.

Koshinto

Here's a vid with a basic breakdown / demo of vampire skills. I definitely agree with everyone else though, fire hurts so bad and there is so much fire damage in this game, definitely will need to invest in fire resist later on.

youtube.com/watch?v=5M45Qv3VRxo&list=UUVftXznaZGxYz2jqIbaf3yQ

I definitely think Vampire is more about its passives and Ultimate. Mist form comes in handy in pvp and essence drain is great for catching players off guard.

Clarebear

Koshinto wrote: »

Here's a vid with a basic breakdown / demo of vampire skills. I definitely agree with everyone else though, fire hurts so bad and there is so much fire damage in this game, definitely will need to invest in fire resist later on.

youtube.com/watch?v=5M45Qv3VRxo&list=UUVftXznaZGxYz2jqIbaf3yQ

I definitely think Vampire is more about its passives and Ultimate. Mist form comes in handy in pvp and essence drain is great for catching players off guard.

Thanks for posting that Video!

Censorious

Oh, yes please - please keep bringing vampires into PvP!
My Silver Bullets awaits you with giddy anticipation -

Nooblet

Censorious wrote: »

Oh, yes please - please keep bringing vampires into PvP!
My Silver Bullets awaits you with giddy anticipation -

I haven't noticed being hit by this since they nerfed vamps.
It probably has to do with having very limited slots for abilities, and keeping very situational attacks just seem like a waste, especially when they only have 5% chance of doing real damage. But I am sure some still run it, just not near the worry it was when everyone was spamming it against everyone in the times of the batmen.

Still get pounded by siege though~

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Sometimes it feels like its not worth it being a vampire. Everyone and his dog will do 9% more damage with everything to you since theres no reason not to take the trait, and I don't see why they haven't made the fire damage increase base on what stage of vampirism you're in yet. Even vampires hurt vampires more cuz they take the trait like everyone else. Everything just hurts more.

Not many people see any reason to feed and drop off of stage 4 either, Maybe down to stage 3, other than not looking weird. And I don't understand why feeding doesn't do damage like drain essence but heals you anyways. Where is the HP coming from if not from the feed sources life force? The sneaking speed increase and drain attack does make it nice in times, but the drain being CC breakable kinda makes it suck in PvP more often than not.

Will probably see more nerfs down the line anyways.

It still has passive bug too with stages skill cost reduction.

Clarebear

Thanks for the input so far!

bloodenragedb14_ESO

it honestly depends on what kind of build your going for. if your going for AoE, its a good path to take.

if your going for tank, its a bad idea, the fire weakness is pretty crippling.

stealth and ambush makes the vampire a pretty good choice, being that the passive at rank 10 removes any debuffs stealth mode does to speed, and makes it easier to slip into stealth at night.

if you focus on magicka then its a good idea to pick it up.

however above all, its really for you to decide, there is no reason to pick it up if you just want to be stronger, its brings perks, but also crippling weaknesses. it comes down to if you want to be one or not.

btw, the cost reduction, to my knowledge, has been fixed as of the craglorn patch.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

it honestly depends on what kind of build your going for. if your going for AoE, its a good path to take.

if your going for tank, its a bad idea, the fire weakness is pretty crippling.

stealth and ambush makes the vampire a pretty good choice, being that the passive at rank 10 removes any debuffs stealth mode does to speed, and makes it easier to slip into stealth at night.

if you focus on magicka then its a good idea to pick it up.

however above all, its really for you to decide, there is no reason to pick it up if you just want to be stronger, its brings perks, but also crippling weaknesses. it comes down to if you want to be one or not.

btw, the cost reduction, to my knowledge, has been fixed as of the craglorn patch.

No its still bugged... If you die the cost reduction goes away until you change stage by feeding or waiting for the next stage. Reloging doesn't work tho because I just logged in at stage 4 and my costs aren't reduced.

I don't think it happens with every death tho. A few deaths in PvP didn't make the cost go away. Then again I didn't always die in stage 4. I think its a stage 4 bug.

Nvm just died in stage 3 and lost reduction

MrDosu

Easy to answer:

Are you a Sorc or DK? Doesnt matter, you will be OP anyway.
Are you a Templar or NB? Doesnt matter, you will be weak anyway.

Hope this helped.

Clarebear

MrDosu wrote: »

Easy to answer:

Are you a Sorc or DK? Doesnt matter, you will be OP anyway.
Are you a Templar or NB? Doesnt matter, you will be weak anyway.

Hope this helped.

What does that have to do with being a Vampire?

bloodenragedb14_ESO

Clarebear wrote: »

MrDosu wrote: »

Easy to answer:

Are you a Sorc or DK? Doesnt matter, you will be OP anyway.
Are you a Templar or NB? Doesnt matter, you will be weak anyway.

Hope this helped.

What does that have to do with being a Vampire?

ignore him, he's just another balance whiner, would rather whine than play the game and figure out counters

Natjur

Once you have fire resistance, the downside of being a vampire is removed and even if you use none of the skills on your skill bar, the passive

Undeath - Increase damage mitigation when player is below 50% health. Mitigation scales up to 50% dependent on player's health.

Is very useful in PVP. If you have max armor and your under 50% health, this really helps as what would normally kill you, you get a few extra seconds.

I have never seen Silver Bolts 'proc' on me (as been classed as Undead) but I have had Undeath passive save me a lot.

Jimm_ay

I have it on my templar - thinking of getting cured since they nerfed the ulti and mist form..

yelloweyedemon

From a NB point of view, I would not recomend it for PvP. Yes the stealth passive can be of use, but it's just a walk speed. I would save my jewellery for usefull stuff rather than waste them on fire resistance buffs.

Also if silver bolts proc on you then 'byebye'

RivenCsky

Level 10 Vampire - it is worth it as long as you enchant a neck or ring with fire resist. The passives are awesome and the stealth movement boost is unreal. As other stated you can ignore feeding as the timers are too fast and basically you do not really feel additional damage from the various levels.

Cogo

Correct me if I am wrong, but both vampires and warewolves are different to for example the mage guild. You choose a way of life that gives you powers, but they also have drawbacks. Great! Then everyone can choose to be either, but dont expect it to only be good effects.

Liquid_Time

Depending on how you play really.. The Vamp passives works well with my NB play style. I use the ULT, Elusive Mist, and Invigorating Drain.

Since I run a heavy/mid DPS build the elusive mist increases my survivability dramittacly. I do not use it for the speed (although 30% does help), but rather for the 70% decreased damage.

Fun Moment:
The Refreshing Path bugged on me the other day and the effects stuck to me. When that happened I would receive a 50% speed boost for its duration then cast Elusive Mist for 30% more speed. This made for some crazy fights.. Also, the speed stuck when I used my horse.. Fun times..

dodgehopper_ESO

They're ok. Nothing to get too excited about. I've got some characters that have turned Vampire or Werewolf primarily to share with guildmates or friends to save them the trouble. For my own personal use I'll probably keep one character in the longterm as a Wolf and another as a Vampire, just to be able to toy with those playstyles if I feel like it. Beyond that it really is not that big of a deal. There's some definite downsides to being a Vampire or Wolf, one of which is you can get knocked on your butt a lot by Silver bolts in Cyrodil.

Redwyrm

Clarebear wrote: »

Having a hard time deciding if it is worth being a Vampire endgame for a Sorcerer for both pvp and pve…why is is it good or why is it bad?

Just try it out, the cost for curing is very cheap.

Personally i highly can recommend vampirism for stamina users, as you get infinite stamina (except then fighting cc-immune mobs without adds). Though i do know that even magicka users takes vampirism only for 10% extra magicka regen.

Redwyrm

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

From a NB point of view, I would not recomend it for PvP. Yes the stealth passive can be of use, but it's just a walk speed.

Mhm, its just a walk speed : P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjjQSXaonsU

Dudis

The passives and ultimate are very strong, the other abilities are kind of meh imo (drain is nice for solo pve though).

It depends on your class and playstyle though. Personally I solo/duo pvp (templar).

poodlemasterb16_ESO

It's great fun. For RP it's very good. I take my witch and scare newbies just for fun. I walk her everywhere and circle attractive toons drooling a bit.



A lot of fun to play as well. My witch was always a glass canon and more fire damage is not that big a deal. I have enchanted some resistance into a neck thing, and my Enchanter will produce more soon.

Natjur

I took vampire line just for

Undeath Rank 2
Increase damage mitigation when player is below 50% health. Mitigation scales up to 50% dependent on player's health.

Then I found out its currently not working, so all I get it 75% more damage from fire.

Whisper292

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

And I don't understand why feeding doesn't do damage like drain essence but heals you anyways. Where is the HP coming from if not from the feed sources life force?

Yes, exactly! Feeding on a victim doesn't do anything to them but tee them off. After you feed, you still have to fight them at full health. Makes no sense to me at all.

I don't know whether it's worth it for PVP because I haven't done PVP, but I think with PVE, it depends on how you're playing. If you're actually roleplaying, which I am, it's great. If you're just looking for a stronger character in a fight, unless I'm missing something, I don't feel like my vampire is really much stronger than she was before she was turned.