Are there any evened out campaigns?

Reignskream

To get it started, my main campaign is Auriels Bow, and my guest campaign is Hopesfire. I'm in the EP Alliance, & I thought things were pretty even as far as tower control and how we were doing in Auriels Bow, at least in the beginning. (I'm noob to pvp also). I log on two days later, and it seems EP and DC have given up completely!

First of all, what is this? Things get a little tough, and people decide to transfer to a campaign where they will get things handed to them on a silver platter? If that is what I have to look forward to being in the EP faction, I might as well not even jump in PVP. I'm now stuck on Auriels Bow basically not able to get any points because nobody will group up and even attempt diddly squat.

So my question is, for the next round when I am able to / do switch campaigns, or if I can find a group where i can get my alliance points to switch, where is the best place to go that it is an evenly based campaign? I do not want to join a place where it is full domination from one alliance. I want to join a place where it is as evenly balanced as possible. I heeard rumors of Wabbajack being a decent place. Set it as my guest campaign and will try it out later tonight.

-Btw hopesfire is just as bad as Auriels Bow. All one sided, where the other factions left because they couldn't form together and fight, instead they run like weaklings. disgusts me to no end.

JosephChip

As always, the biggest threat to a game's balance and enjoyability comes from the players. As soon as their alliance isn't utterly crushing the opposition they switch to a favourable campaign and then complain about the lack of balance and population. That's why we need less campaigns to choose from. The community needs to be forcefully compressed in a few campaigns so the even the odds.

Reignskream

JosephChip wrote: »

As always, the biggest threat to a game's balance and enjoyability comes from the players. As soon as their alliance isn't utterly crushing the opposition they switch to a favourable campaign and then complain about the lack of balance and population. That's why we need less campaigns to choose from. The community needs to be forcefully compressed in a few campaigns so the even the odds.

Absolutely. It is frustrating as PVP is a major part of my MMO experience, and not being able to even participate in it on my home campaign, utterly sucks. At least i can switch my guest campaign around, but I don't get any points and that kind of turns me off. Plus how can I even get any alliance points to switch when nobody is doing anything on my home campaign, ya know? I've been stuck at 5k for a week now because nobody groups, nor does anything.

I do agree though, people want things handed to them, and to fight this kind of crap going on, they must have only 3,4, MAYBE 5 campaigns at the most. Heck, at this point even 4 sounds like to many.

Lord_Draevan

I was in NA Auriel's Bow up until 2 weeks ago. Here's what happened and why EP and DC left.
AD was at High or Full population 24/7. EP and DC only went to High or Full during NA prime time, so for roughly 2/3s of the day AD had the entire map and was gate camping us. Here's an example of the populations during NA off hours:



This was incredibly annoying, so we tried 2 things:
1) We tried to recruit Oceanic players for off-hours in EP and DC, which failed because they didn't want to spend their play time being outnumbered 10-1 and gate camped the whole time or because they joined the AD.

2) We waited for the AD to un-stack. We waited for a month and a half with and it never happened, so we left for other servers like Wabbajack and Bloodthorn where we're having a blast.

Other people left sooner, but my Guild and I stuck it out until recently, but when it got to the point where EP and DC only went above Low pop for about an hour or two a day while AD was at Full, we decided to call it quits. Now most of the AD left Auriel's too, and took the hint and doesn't stack 24/7 anymore.

FYI, on the NA servers (can't speak for EU), EP doesn't have a single campaign where we're "getting things handed to us on a silver platter". Our best is Wabbajack, and we're fighting all day, every day for that dominance. All other servers are AD or DC controlled.

KriHavok

Auriel's Bow EU is quite evenly matched. (Sarcasm)

Bitz_Maidenhell

It should be harder to switch campaigns and the guesting process is kinda lame. IMO if you quest you should only be able to play for 1 hour on your quest campaign. In every game you have a large number of "fairweather" pvpers, who ditch a campaign at the first sign of resistance.

A lot of people in ESO seeem to new to mass scale combat, they treat this style of pvp like it is a battleground from WoW. It is not like that and hopefully it will never be.

Fewer campaigns could also work, but they need room for more players as they level up and move into pvp.

My guild spent a lot of time guesting different servers in hopes of finding one that had some balance or at least good coordinated guilds to fight. Bloodthorn is the only server that has some good teams on all sides.

Reignskream

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

I was in NA Auriel's Bow up until 2 weeks ago. Here's what happened and why EP and DC left.
AD was at High or Full population 24/7. EP and DC only went to High or Full during NA prime time, so for roughly 2/3s of the day AD had the entire map and was gate camping us. Here's an example of the populations during NA off hours:



This was incredibly annoying, so we tried 2 things:
1) We tried to recruit Oceanic players for off-hours in EP and DC, which failed because they didn't want to spend their play time being outnumbered 10-1 and gate camped the whole time or because they joined the AD.

2) We waited for the AD to un-stack. We waited for a month and a half with and it never happened, so we left for other servers like Wabbajack and Bloodthorn where we're having a blast.

Other people left sooner, but my Guild and I stuck it out until recently, but when it got to the point where EP and DC only went above Low pop for about an hour or two a day while AD was at Full, we decided to call it quits. Now most of the AD left Auriel's too, and took the hint and doesn't stack 24/7 anymore.

FYI, on the NA servers (can't speak for EU), EP doesn't have a single campaign where we're "getting things handed to us on a silver platter". Our best is Wabbajack, and we're fighting all day, every day for that dominance. All other servers are AD or DC controlled.

Insightful, thankyou. As i am not apart of any major pvp guilds (which i soon plan to be), it's nice to know at least what was going on. Still sucks we gave up. As i've seen AD down on low pop on Auriels bow numerous times.

Only solution i see is to remove most campaigns and have 3 or 4. That is the only thing i see balancing out these issues.

Lord_Draevan

Reignskream wrote: »

Insightful, thankyou. As i am not apart of any major pvp guilds (which i soon plan to be), it's nice to know at least what was going on. Still sucks we gave up. As i've seen AD down on low pop on Auriels bow numerous times.

Only solution i see is to remove most campaigns and have 3 or 4. That is the only thing i see balancing out these issues.

As I said, AD doesn't stack any more on Auriel's, hell, I haven't seen either of the 3 factions go above medium in about a week on that campaign.

Reignskream

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

Insightful, thankyou. As i am not apart of any major pvp guilds (which i soon plan to be), it's nice to know at least what was going on. Still sucks we gave up. As i've seen AD down on low pop on Auriels bow numerous times.

Only solution i see is to remove most campaigns and have 3 or 4. That is the only thing i see balancing out these issues.

As I said, AD doesn't stack any more on Auriel's, hell, I haven't seen either of the 3 factions go above medium in about a week on that campaign.

Yup. here's to hoping i can snag enough alliance points to get out myself, as I think I'm the last person there.

indytims_ESO

I would think Zeni would somehow bottleneck the number of players that can get into a specific campaign. When someone hits 10 and wants to join a campaign, the game should auto-close campaigns where that player's faction is clearly dominant.

Most people are going to go where their faction is dominant - again, instant-gratification, wanting to have more friends and backup, etc, etc, It makes sense from a survival point of view (who wouldn't want to go to war on the side that outnumbers the other side 2-1 or more?). But for gameplay purposes, it's just a joke.

And if you allow people to jump ship at will - it will only get -worse-. One bad day of being dominated, and the fickle will jump to the campaign where their faction is dominant... the EP people will do the same, and then DF will do the same...

Fewer campaigns would help. Or, having a dozen campaigns, but having only 3 open at a time or something might help, then rotate those 3 out when they are finished, and move folks to one of the next three, etc.

krapmyself

indytims_ESO wrote: »

I would think Zeni would somehow bottleneck the number of players that can get into a specific campaign. When someone hits 10 and wants to join a campaign, the game should auto-close campaigns where that player's faction is clearly dominant.

Most people are going to go where their faction is dominant - again, instant-gratification, wanting to have more friends and backup, etc, etc, It makes sense from a survival point of view (who wouldn't want to go to war on the side that outnumbers the other side 2-1 or more?). But for gameplay purposes, it's just a joke.

And if you allow people to jump ship at will - it will only get -worse-. One bad day of being dominated, and the fickle will jump to the campaign where their faction is dominant... the EP people will do the same, and then DF will do the same...

Fewer campaigns would help. Or, having a dozen campaigns, but having only 3 open at a time or something might help, then rotate those 3 out when they are finished, and move folks to one of the next three, etc.

I'm sure this is true for many players, but I'm sure for even more players, they go into a campaign that is their faction dominant so they can gather skyshards with little hassle. Skyshards give skills points that are of great value in PvE and believe it or not, not everyone likes or even cares about PvP.

Lithion

Reignskream wrote: »

I heeard rumors of Wabbajack being a decent place. Set it as my guest campaign and will try it out later tonight.

Yep, Wabbajack is your best bet. I guested on nearly every campaign in NA in early May, and have found Wabba to be the most balanced, followed by Bloodthorn.

On Wabba, I haven't seen a single faction dominate the map during peak hours. At times, the keeps are split 6/6/6 and it's always interesting and exciting to see which faction will crown an emperor next.

The map looks different every day, and you never know what's gonna happen next. Sometimes one faction will take all 6 scrolls during non-peak hours, but the next day the other two factions will both hit the scroll keeps and restore the 2/2/2 balance.

Igolbug

I find on Wabba during the night the keeps are split 7/8/3 with the team getting 2v1'd at 3, and its not always the same side getting 2v1'd.

FENGRUSH

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

Bloodthorn is the only server that has some good teams on all sides.

There isnt even an AD presence on bloodthorn at all and thats going for weeks now. The only visit we get is luvboards group which has been off farming since craglorn, but Im sure will come bomb the server again soon.

Theres no large organized guilds on either EB or DC side either. The map is dominated by DC 90% of the week and contested with good pvp on weekends.

Itd be nice if there was more PVP on the weekdays, but not too much as compared to a month ago.

frwinters_ESO

Just come to wabbajack. Everyone should just bite the bullet and come to Wabbajack. Always something going on.

Reignskream

They need to get rid of some of these campaigns along with people not being able to jump from one to the next because they're getting it handed to them. Instead of 15k alliance points id make it 30k-50k. Should be making the alliance work for it, not give them the easy out when things call for some challenge, because that's all this is, an endless cycle of people bouncing back and forth between campaigns, for the easy i win button campaign.

And sooner or later, all 3 factions are going to be on separate campaigns wondering where the other alliances are at because everyone seems to want the I win campaign. And quite frankly its ruining pvp. We need less campaigns to choose from, and we need the Home campaign change option to require more than just 15k alliance points. I also believe that the guest campaign option should be removed as well. --All just in my humble opinion.

Bitz_Maidenhell

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

Bloodthorn is the only server that has some good teams on all sides.

There isnt even an AD presence on bloodthorn at all and thats going for weeks now. The only visit we get is luvboards group which has been off farming since craglorn, but Im sure will come bomb the server again soon.

Theres no large organized guilds on either EB or DC side either. The map is dominated by DC 90% of the week and contested with good pvp on weekends.

Itd be nice if there was more PVP on the weekdays, but not too much as compared to a month ago.

Well AD has Alacrity (Luvboards Guild) and I have seen ER there as well. Granted they have been MIA since Craglorn, i'm sure they will be back. Alacrity puts out hands down the best engagements my guild has seen in ESO. We haven't had a chance to dance with ER...yet.

DC has quite a few guild listed on Tamerial Foundry as homed there, but 99% of DC seems to fight like a giant PUG zerg. You and the guys you run with put up a good fight and we have a lot of fun fighting with you, Boss Tuggles and the other guyz that run together. There is also another guild on DC...the name escapes me ..Undead something maybe. They are fun to play against.

EP has 3 guild groups that run nightly...

Biggest issue with Bloodthorn during the weekdays, is the pop imbalance. By the time NA players get home from work and start playing for the evening DC owns the whole map and is camping all the players that don't have a quality team, at their spawn. By the time an coordinated team hits the field they have to spend time closing the gates, and the next tower they hit 200 DC show up cuz its the only action on the map.

Hopefully Guild tags will be in the game soon, once that happens people will be able to see what team is which and over time I suspect many guilds will start converging on a few campaigns looking for quality fights. Zergs don't want to fight coordinated guilds, and Coordinated guilds don't want to fight zergs, unless they just want to farm AP.

ozgod22_eso

For the OP, the answer is in your own post:

I do not want to join a place where it is full domination from one alliance. I want to join a place where it is as evenly balanced as possible.

Auriels Bow and Hopesfire are 99% dominated by AD. Would you be willing to stick it out in a campaign where the other side dominates totally, and where it is virtually impossible to earn alliance points since there are only 20-30 of your own faction there at any one time?

This is why these imbalances never get fixed...people log on, they press M, they see that the entire map is either yellow or blue, then they leave.

It's natural for people to gravitate to where there is more of their faction. This is exacerbated by the fact that big PvP guilds coordinate off-game to pick a home campaign, and coordinate with other guilds to flood that campaign and link up with vent or teamspeak to make sure they dominate it so it's easier to farm alliance points.

I find it funny when you hear people carry on about how "people should stick it out and not want to have things handed to them on a silver platter" when they themselves in all likelihood are not "sticking it out" in some of these grossly imbalanced campaigns. Maybe over time Zenimax will allow cross server competition for some of these campaigns so you could merge an AD dominated one with another couple dominated by DC and EP. That's really the only way to fix it.

Some_Jerk

JosephChip wrote: »

As always, the biggest threat to a game's balance and enjoyability comes from the players. As soon as their alliance isn't utterly crushing the opposition they switch to a favourable campaign and then complain about the lack of balance and population. That's why we need less campaigns to choose from. The community needs to be forcefully compressed in a few campaigns so the even the odds.

This. In addition I say less campaigns and no guest pass, players should have to be forced to play for their home even when the chips are down. Only this way will there be some semblance of even odds.
Ofc less campaigns alone would be a huge step in the right direction.

Vez

indytims_ESO wrote: »

I would think Zeni would somehow bottleneck the number of players that can get into a specific campaign. When someone hits 10 and wants to join a campaign, the game should auto-close campaigns where that player's faction is clearly dominant.

Most people are going to go where their faction is dominant - again, instant-gratification, wanting to have more friends and backup, etc, etc, It makes sense from a survival point of view (who wouldn't want to go to war on the side that outnumbers the other side 2-1 or more?). But for gameplay purposes, it's just a joke.

And if you allow people to jump ship at will - it will only get -worse-. One bad day of being dominated, and the fickle will jump to the campaign where their faction is dominant... the EP people will do the same, and then DF will do the same...

Fewer campaigns would help. Or, having a dozen campaigns, but having only 3 open at a time or something might help, then rotate those 3 out when they are finished, and move folks to one of the next three, etc.

So you want fresh level 10s to be funneled into campaigns where they face overwhelming numbers of VR12 enemies wearing gold -20% damage from enemy players gear and zipping around on their level 50 stamina and speed horses while having full access to Assault, Support, and unlimited supplies from their totally well thought out steamroll AP farm?

scorpo46b16_ESO

I agree there should not be more than 4 campaigns right now 1 being the 2 week hopefully we will see this change at the end of the first campaign cycle.

What if guesting were something you unlocked by acquiring emperor for your faction on your home campaign?

I also think changing home should be something that costs 100k AP or more again.

Infraction

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Just come to wabbajack. Everyone should just bite the bullet and come to Wabbajack. Always something going on.

Stop.

Last time someone said this we became unbalanced during off hours for weeks.

Reignskream

ozgod22_eso wrote: »

For the OP, the answer is in your own post:

I do not want to join a place where it is full domination from one alliance. I want to join a place where it is as evenly balanced as possible.

Auriels Bow and Hopesfire are 99% dominated by AD. Would you be willing to stick it out in a campaign where the other side dominates totally, and where it is virtually impossible to earn alliance points since there are only 20-30 of your own faction there at any one time?

This is why these imbalances never get fixed...people log on, they press M, they see that the entire map is either yellow or blue, then they leave.

It's natural for people to gravitate to where there is more of their faction. This is exacerbated by the fact that big PvP guilds coordinate off-game to pick a home campaign, and coordinate with other guilds to flood that campaign and link up with vent or teamspeak to make sure they dominate it so it's easier to farm alliance points.

I find it funny when you hear people carry on about how "people should stick it out and not want to have things handed to them on a silver platter" when they themselves in all likelihood are not "sticking it out" in some of these grossly imbalanced campaigns. Maybe over time Zenimax will allow cross server competition for some of these campaigns so you could merge an AD dominated one with another couple dominated by DC and EP. That's really the only way to fix it.

I'm not the one who ran, I'm simply looking for a evened out campaign that actually isn't one sided, so I don't know what your talking about. I also have over 15k alliance points, got them last night & quite frankly,I don't know where ill switch my campaign too because I have not tested out any others besides hopesfire, and that place was just as scary as Auriels bow. Soon alliances are going to be fighting nobody because everybody gives up and goes to where they're faction is the strongest.

"I find it funny when you hear people carry on about how "people should stick it out and not want to have things handed to them on a silver platter" when they themselves in all likelihood are not "sticking it out" in some of these grossly imbalanced campaigns."

You call everybody else out for leaving the campaign when things get tough, trying to make us look like hypocrites, when in reality, some have been stuck on auriels bow for a week now in a ghost town as far as EP goes. If your alliance was non existent on your campaign, you'd be doing the same thing when you noticed your alliance took the easy way out and left. You more than likely already did switch campaigns like the rest of the bandwagon followers, or you're already on one that is dominated by your alliance, and you have the nerve to point and laugh at us, when in reality you probably did the same thing?-- I'd be glad to stick it out, but all 30 of us aren't going to make any difference, when everybody else already left Auriels Bow a week ago.

I would have stayed if people were on Auriels Bow, but the fact that EP is non existent, well whats the point? There is no enjoying pvp in this game when you have nobody to pvp with, especially my class being a strong pvp support character with buffs/shields all around. I am the one still here fighting on Auriels Bow, don't sit here and try to tell me I'm as bad as them for wanting to switch campaigns & enjoy pvp on an evenly based campaign. I wasn't the one who quit and gave up when things got a little tough in the first place.

Reignskream

scorpo46b16_ESO wrote: »

I agree there should not be more than 4 campaigns right now 1 being the 2 week hopefully we will see this change at the end of the first campaign cycle.

What if guesting were something you unlocked by acquiring emperor for your faction on your home campaign?

I also think changing home should be something that costs 100k AP or more again.

I agree they should make it 100k, as people just hop around to the place that hands them the points easiest.

frwinters_ESO

Just come to Wabbajack. Everyone should come to Wabbajack. It solves all problems. Sheogorath demands it.

Armitas

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Just come to wabbajack. Everyone should just bite the bullet and come to Wabbajack. Always something going on.

Guested last night. I have not had that much fun since beta! Fights are happening everywhere. Some EPs threw caltrops but after a little scolding they quit.

AryaWythers

Maybe Wabba...but the company broke PvP long ago and there is hardly anyone left in any campaign.

Zintair

You should of been on Wabba a month ago when the lag was nonexistant and batswarms were just nerfed. Boy was that fun PvP. Poor AD and DC

Tintinabula

Ive seen some of the drops coming out of craglorn..these "leet" guilds are getting suited up..I feel they'll be back