The problem with PvP

Cody · May 2014

The problem with PvP is simply the terrible balance it has. Many people grinded to max rank the first week of the game just so they could kill everyone. the steps Zenimax has taken to solve it helps, but further turns PvP into a "V10+" mode. they said "accessible to everyone" yet if you go in before the high VRs, you will be slaughtered. im not saying its unplayable, but its dang sure frustrating to log in, run across the map, and get ganked by squads of V10s. There should not be this many max level players the first 2 months, and that's how it is so imbalanced; Many people have simply quit. I think they should add Arenas in ASAP, and match players with people their rank. That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12. If anyone has any better ideas, post below. I just wanna see what people think

limbaughb14_ESO · May 2014

No. It would kill open pvp. You have plenty of mmo's with arena's stop trying to destroy this one.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Lithion · May 2014

I still support the idea that there should be a separate campaign for PvPers below level 50.

One argument against it is that there isn't enough population to support it. But I definitely think there is. Think of how many non-Veteran ranks you see in campaigns right now, and then double that number. That's more than enough for a below-50 campaign. And the reason I said to double the number is because many low levels aren't participating in campaigns right now due to the frustration of being ganked by VRs. If we had a below-50 campaign, we'd see a lot more participation from lower level players. Meanwhile, the total number of campaigns needs to be cut so that there is a healthier VR population in the remaining campaigns.

Also, I think the below-50 campaign should have diminished alliance point gains, and I don't expect the difficulty of the PvE monsters (besides the keep/post/resource guards) to change. I actually like that PvE is more difficult in Cyrodiil. Gives me a reason to group up with my friends.

I actually don't have much of a problem with the current system. I'm a level 35 and I was able to kill a VR1 in a one on one fight. And I'm sure me and my friend (a lvl 12) can take out up to VR10 together if we get the initial surprise attack.

That said, I am an altoholic, and I always make a ton of PvP alts in every MMO I play. But I don't think I'll create a PvP alt in ESO. Why would I want to go into Cyrodiil on an alt, only to be destroyed by VRs? That diminishes the replayability of the game for me, and that is why I'd like to see below-50 campaigns. It'll give me something fun to do on my alts besides PvE.

Oh, and I expect quite a few VR gankers will disagree with this idea. If they enjoy ganking lower levels, they won't support anything that ruins their fun. Even if it destroys PvP for others.

rotiferuk · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

The problem with PvP is simply the terrible balance it has. Many people grinded to max rank the first week of the game just so they could kill everyone. the steps Zenimax has taken to solve it helps, but further turns PvP into a "V10+" mode. they said "accessible to everyone" yet if you go in before the high VRs, you will be slaughtered. im not saying its unplayable, but its dang sure frustrating to log in, run across the map, and get ganked by squads of V10s. There should not be this many max level players the first 2 months, and that's how it is so imbalanced; Many people have simply quit. I think they should add Arenas in ASAP, and match players with people their rank. That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12. If anyone has any better ideas, post below. I just wanna see what people think

I have a VR1 Char and a Level 45 char.

I like the wide open spaces of Cyrodiil. I like being able to sneak. I like having to think about positioning and how best to avoid enemies. I get great satisfaction from watching enemies look behind rocks I am no longer hidden behind.

So, no to arenas and no to duelling. If you are dying a lot in Cyrodiil perhaps you should learn to sneak.

Cody · May 2014

limbaughb14_ESO wrote: »

No. It would kill open pvp. You Call of Duty kids have plenty of mmo's with arena's stop trying to destroy this one.

I hate call of duty:/ I said "if you have better ideas, post them" not "be a ***"

PF1901 · May 2014

I could swear it was just like yesterday someone asked for the same s***. No thanks. Currently in cyrodiil with a level 12. There are countless other games where you have what you ask for. Can you spell "countless"?

Cody · May 2014

rotiferuk wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

The problem with PvP is simply the terrible balance it has. Many people grinded to max rank the first week of the game just so they could kill everyone. the steps Zenimax has taken to solve it helps, but further turns PvP into a "V10+" mode. they said "accessible to everyone" yet if you go in before the high VRs, you will be slaughtered. im not saying its unplayable, but its dang sure frustrating to log in, run across the map, and get ganked by squads of V10s. There should not be this many max level players the first 2 months, and that's how it is so imbalanced; Many people have simply quit. I think they should add Arenas in ASAP, and match players with people their rank. That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12. If anyone has any better ideas, post below. I just wanna see what people think

I have a VR1 Char and a Level 45 char.

I like the wide open spaces of Cyrodiil. I like being able to sneak. I like having to think about positioning and how best to avoid enemies. I get great satisfaction from watching enemies look behind rocks I am no longer hidden behind.

So, no to arenas and no to duelling. If you are dying a lot in Cyrodiil perhaps you should learn to sneak.

sneak......... what? you are going to sneak the whole time:/ you cant always sneak. there are times where you will have to fight. I specifically said"im not saying its unplayable" I took a V10 half down in a 1v1 in my 20s, I know it can be done. but its frustraiting all the same, to be killed in 3 hits by 3/4 of the population in the camp, simply because some people power grinded and you did not. I do sneak, and I only engage if im in a group(unless its going to be a 1v1 of course:)) but eventually, you will have to stop sneaking, and fight, like I said earlier in this post. If you like to sneak the entire time, and fight no one, fine. I wont judge you, but that's not me, Nor is it a lot of other people. I join PvP to fight players, not pretend its a splinter cell game and sneak by them all. What can be done besides arenas? PVP need s to be fixed. If you have no ideas, then plz don't post just to insult me.

Khyras · May 2014

limbaughb14_ESO wrote: »

No. It would kill open pvp. You Call of Duty kids have plenty of mmo's with arena's stop trying to destroy this one.

Yeah,lets just funnel every PvP player into one PvP option they have,whether they like it or not,so that PvE grinders can farm lowbies.How about no.

TheNamelessHero · May 2014

Wep Wep!
How about using the system that is alredy in place to balance the difference betwix lvls?
Everyone knows u get some stat bonus thingy when entering cyrodil.
Well that system could be augmented to increase low lvl players stats further to give a chance against highér lvl players.
And then balance...

Or just face the situation as it is. lvl up, team up or continue whining

This is my first post here.
I dont care about typos. If u care, I am sorry. Try to live whit it.
And all the best to all of you beating hearts and bots...

quakedawg_ESO · May 2014

Ah the WoW generation. I want everything handed to me in easy mode. I see numerous lower levels sneaking around PvP and choosing when to engage and when to run. Keep your head on a swivel and pick when you need to sneak. Really not terribly difficult to survive solo out there. Might take a little *gasp* patience. Or, join a pvp guild?

Arenas for for those who want a predetermined battle. Leave Capture the Flag to the playground.

Now, with that said, I do think an under 50 campaign wouldn't be a bad thing although I think it might further water down the big stage.

Khyras · May 2014

Right,right, why should i as lvl 10 go against other players of similar lvl in a fair fights when i can be farmed by players with twice my stats and three times more skill unlocks and passives!!!Ofc its hard,it should be,lowbie PvP players should be grinding PvE content not be in same zone with master VR race, or they should simply crawl in stealth across half the map for chance to take few shots with a bow or some other ranged weapon before getting pasted by proper PvE/VR grinders,as it should be!Brilliant concept,simply brilliant! And ofc,number of players in PvP campaigns shows devs are on the right track here, no need to change a single thing with such flawless pvp system.

rotiferuk · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

rotiferuk wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

The problem with PvP is simply the terrible balance it has. Many people grinded to max rank the first week of the game just so they could kill everyone. the steps Zenimax has taken to solve it helps, but further turns PvP into a "V10+" mode. they said "accessible to everyone" yet if you go in before the high VRs, you will be slaughtered. im not saying its unplayable, but its dang sure frustrating to log in, run across the map, and get ganked by squads of V10s. There should not be this many max level players the first 2 months, and that's how it is so imbalanced; Many people have simply quit. I think they should add Arenas in ASAP, and match players with people their rank. That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12. If anyone has any better ideas, post below. I just wanna see what people think

I have a VR1 Char and a Level 45 char.

I like the wide open spaces of Cyrodiil. I like being able to sneak. I like having to think about positioning and how best to avoid enemies. I get great satisfaction from watching enemies look behind rocks I am no longer hidden behind.

So, no to arenas and no to duelling. If you are dying a lot in Cyrodiil perhaps you should learn to sneak.

sneak......... what? you are going to sneak the whole time:/ you cant always sneak. there are times where you will have to fight. I specifically said"im not saying its unplayable" I took a V10 half down in a 1v1 in my 20s, I know it can be done. but its frustraiting all the same, to be killed in 3 hits by 3/4 of the population in the camp, simply because some people power grinded and you did not. I do sneak, and I only engage if im in a group(unless its going to be a 1v1 of course:)) but eventually, you will have to stop sneaking, and fight, like I said earlier in this post. If you like to sneak the entire time, and fight no one, fine. I wont judge you, but that's not me, Nor is it a lot of other people. I join PvP to fight players, not pretend its a splinter cell game and sneak by them all. What can be done besides arenas? PVP need s to be fixed. If you have no ideas, then plz don't post just to insult me.

1) Where did I say I never engaged the enemy? I just like to choose my battles and don't see the point of going 1v1. I prefer to start a fight from a position of advantage. So I attack from sneak and only if there are friendlies around.

2) I don't find getting killed to be frustrating. Cyrodiil is a war zone. It is supposed to be a dangerous place. Survival there is supposed to be difficult. If it frustrated me I would not go there.

3) Some people being at higher levels because they chose to grind does not bother me. They are free to play how they choose as am I. BTW, the level of a player does not matter as much as their playing skills.

4) AFAIAC PvP does not need to be fixed.

Cody · May 2014

TheNamelessHero wrote: »

Wep Wep!
How about using the system that is alredy in place to balance the difference betwix lvls?
Everyone knows u get some stat bonus thingy when entering cyrodil.
Well that system could be augmented to increase low lvl players stats further to give a chance against highér lvl players.
And then balance...

Or just face the situation as it is. lvl up, team up or continue whining

This is my first post here.
I dont care about typos. If u care, I am sorry. Try to live whit it.
And all the best to all of you beating hearts and bots...

I don't even know if ill reach V10 until the en dof the year:/ not everyone has the time to reach those high levels

Cody · May 2014

rotiferuk wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

rotiferuk wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

The problem with PvP is simply the terrible balance it has. Many people grinded to max rank the first week of the game just so they could kill everyone. the steps Zenimax has taken to solve it helps, but further turns PvP into a "V10+" mode. they said "accessible to everyone" yet if you go in before the high VRs, you will be slaughtered. im not saying its unplayable, but its dang sure frustrating to log in, run across the map, and get ganked by squads of V10s. There should not be this many max level players the first 2 months, and that's how it is so imbalanced; Many people have simply quit. I think they should add Arenas in ASAP, and match players with people their rank. That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12. If anyone has any better ideas, post below. I just wanna see what people think

I have a VR1 Char and a Level 45 char.

I like the wide open spaces of Cyrodiil. I like being able to sneak. I like having to think about positioning and how best to avoid enemies. I get great satisfaction from watching enemies look behind rocks I am no longer hidden behind.

So, no to arenas and no to duelling. If you are dying a lot in Cyrodiil perhaps you should learn to sneak.

sneak......... what? you are going to sneak the whole time:/ you cant always sneak. there are times where you will have to fight. I specifically said"im not saying its unplayable" I took a V10 half down in a 1v1 in my 20s, I know it can be done. but its frustraiting all the same, to be killed in 3 hits by 3/4 of the population in the camp, simply because some people power grinded and you did not. I do sneak, and I only engage if im in a group(unless its going to be a 1v1 of course:)) but eventually, you will have to stop sneaking, and fight, like I said earlier in this post. If you like to sneak the entire time, and fight no one, fine. I wont judge you, but that's not me, Nor is it a lot of other people. I join PvP to fight players, not pretend its a splinter cell game and sneak by them all. What can be done besides arenas? PVP need s to be fixed. If you have no ideas, then plz don't post just to insult me.

1) Where did I say I never engaged the enemy? I just like to choose my battles and don't see the point of going 1v1. I prefer to start a fight from a position of advantage. So I attack from sneak and only if there are friendlies around.

2) I don't find getting killed to be frustrating. Cyrodiil is a war zone. It is supposed to be a dangerous place. Survival there is supposed to be difficult. If it frustrated me I would not go there.

3) Some people being at higher levels because they chose to grind does not bother me. They are free to play how they choose as am I. BTW, the level of a player does not matter as much as their playing skills.

4) AFAIAC PvP does not need to be fixed.

well forgive me if I find everyone killing me in 3 hits just a tad bit frustrating. and also forgive me if I want to be able to actually play PvP before the maximum rank. I never said dying is frustrating, I said dying in THREE HITS is frustrating. Again, if you have no ideas on how to improve this PvP, don't waste time posting.

quakedawg_ESO · May 2014

Just like in the big bad real world, pick on someone bigger than you the chances increase you're going to get smoked in 3 hits or less. You're asking for people to provide improvements in an area where none is really needed. If you don't know how to pick and choose your battles nobody can help you.

I guarantee if they implemented a 50 and under campaign tomorrow and you happened to come across a lower level player that you could 3 shot, you would do it and not feel guilty at all. Go level up like everyone else and stop wasting time posting. You're not a special snowflake.

rotiferuk · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

well forgive me if I find everyone killing me in 3 hits just a tad bit frustrating.

NookyZooky wrote: »

I never said dying is frustrating, I said dying in THREE HITS is frustrating.

Three hits? I thought you had managed to reduce the health of a VR10 to half?

NookyZooky wrote: »

and also forgive me if I want to be able to actually play PvP before the maximum rank.

I have been PvPing with both my characters since level 10.

NookyZooky wrote: »

Again, if you have no ideas on how to improve this PvP, don't waste time posting.

1) As I have already explained, AFAIAC the PvP does not require any improvement.

2) I will post what I want, where I want and when I want.

Cody · May 2014

rotiferuk wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

well forgive me if I find everyone killing me in 3 hits just a tad bit frustrating.

NookyZooky wrote: »

I never said dying is frustrating, I said dying in THREE HITS is frustrating.

Three hits? I thought you had managed to reduce the health of a VR10 to half?

NookyZooky wrote: »

and also forgive me if I want to be able to actually play PvP before the maximum rank.

I have been PvPing with both my characters since level 10.

NookyZooky wrote: »

Again, if you have no ideas on how to improve this PvP, don't waste time posting.

1) As I have already explained, AFAIAC the PvP does not require any improvement.

2) I will post what I want, where I want and when I want.

I did get a Vr10 to half, and I don't remember how:/ it was long ago. I think she just did not know how to use her class.

yes, 3 hits. I remember dozens of times that happened to me. this PvP does need improvement. if you don't like 1v1s fine. if you like to sneak thru most of the stuff, that is also fine. but not everyone plays like you.
you've been PvPing since lvl 10 with two characters? good for you. I don't see what that proves, besides you played more than me, but good for you

Cody · May 2014

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Just like in the big bad real world, pick on someone bigger than you the chances increase you're going to get smoked in 3 hits or less. You're asking for people to provide improvements in an area where none is really needed. If you don't know how to pick and choose your battles nobody can help you.

I guarantee if they implemented a 50 and under campaign tomorrow and you happened to come across a lower level player that you could 3 shot, you would do it and not feel guilty at all. Go level up like everyone else and stop wasting time posting. You're not a special snowflake.

choose? how do I choose between people when they are all VR12?:/ if I could fight a VR1 or 2 or 4 instead, I would, but I cant... cause its all VR12. you are telling me to pick, but I cant pick! that is the problem! why would I not feel guilty about killing someone 40 levels under me? I did fight some level 30s and 40s in my Vrs, I felt guilty as h***, and almost did not do it each time., hekc there were times I did not do it. my problem is NOT me getting killed, I know that if I take on a Vr12 now, I will die. I try to avoid them As much as possible. but I cant do that, when everyone I face, is a VR12. do you get it now? why do I think I am special. MANY people think similar to me about this. go give that "special snowflake" crap to them, if you are going by that logic. All I am saying is that the PvP is inbalanced right now, and it is. Something needs to be done. its gone from an "everyone can play" mode, to "vr10 and up only" mode.
"go level up like everyone else"
I have said this numerous times... I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO REACH THOSE RANKS. I DO NOT GRIND FOR 17 HOURS A DYA, I QUEST. AND I DONT PLAY 20 HOURS I DAY, I PLAY 5-7. was that so hard for you to understand?

gorant1313ub17_ESO · May 2014

I have a V12 so I can see where you're coming from. We do have an advantage, especially those of us in full legendaries with enchants, etc. When I see a low level I basically lick my lips and I EAT. But then again... I disagree with you. I made a an alt that is V5 currently. I fought a V12 of the same class with the same weapon. I smashed on him in 1V1 (before the server just crashed) by just managing my resource pool and countering while making him/her waste theirs. There is more to the PvP than levels so please stop with these posts.

Wolfahm · May 2014

quakedawg_ESO · May 2014

I see a LOT of lower level players in AvA. Choosing as in 'hey, that VR12 that just rode by, maybe I'll let him pass. 'Oooh, I see a juicy level 46. Pounce!'

I'm not going to say it's easy but it is possible to pick your battles. I see it time and time again. Maybe find a buddy and duo it up!

I just simply disagree with your plea (or whatever you're doing). If you don't have the time that is on you. Nothing wrong with that. I also disagree with people racing to VR12 and bitching about content.

I still say join a pvp guild and explore those options.

Singular · May 2014

rotiferuk wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

The problem with PvP is simply the terrible balance it has. Many people grinded to max rank the first week of the game just so they could kill everyone. the steps Zenimax has taken to solve it helps, but further turns PvP into a "V10+" mode. they said "accessible to everyone" yet if you go in before the high VRs, you will be slaughtered. im not saying its unplayable, but its dang sure frustrating to log in, run across the map, and get ganked by squads of V10s. There should not be this many max level players the first 2 months, and that's how it is so imbalanced; Many people have simply quit. I think they should add Arenas in ASAP, and match players with people their rank. That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12. If anyone has any better ideas, post below. I just wanna see what people think

I have a VR1 Char and a Level 45 char.

I like the wide open spaces of Cyrodiil. I like being able to sneak. I like having to think about positioning and how best to avoid enemies. I get great satisfaction from watching enemies look behind rocks I am no longer hidden behind.

So, no to arenas and no to duelling. If you are dying a lot in Cyrodiil perhaps you should learn to sneak.

Why do people want to limit the possibilities of this game to what we are already given?

Expanding what we have won't kill the stuff you like. You'll still have Cryodil. It's not like the entire game would just wither b/c we have arenas or 1 on 1 pvp.

Cody · May 2014

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

I have a V12 so I can see where you're coming from. We do have an advantage, especially those of us in full legendaries with enchants, etc. When I see a low level I basically lick my lips and I EAT. But then again... I disagree with you. I made a an alt that is V5 currently. I fought a V12 of the same class with the same weapon. I smashed on him in 1V1 (before the server just crashed) by just managing my resource pool and countering while making him/her waste theirs. There is more to the PvP than levels so please stop with these posts.

you took on a V12 1v1? good for you. sadly, not everyone is as good as you.

Cody · May 2014

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

I see a LOT of lower level players in AvA. Choosing as in 'hey, that VR12 that just rode by, maybe I'll let him pass. 'Oooh, I see a juicy level 46. Pounce!'

I'm not going to say it's easy but it is possible to pick your battles. I see it time and time again. Maybe find a buddy and duo it up!

I just simply disagree with your plea (or whatever you're doing). If you don't have the time that is on you. Nothing wrong with that. I also disagree with people racing to VR12 and bitching about content.

I still say join a pvp guild and explore those options.

dont mind that you disagree, I expected people to flame me for this. you have to understand I made this thread(which I will soon close cause I saw another with this same title and more views:/) is that 95% of the gaming pop, is at least VR10. I cant choose my battles, when there are no choices to be made. with the PvP right now, itsither "take on someone a lot higher than you, and get your a** stomped in 5 seconds" or "take on someone a lot lower than you, who does not even pose a challenge" i am in a PvP guild, but they all done gave up for the PvE. again, im not saying its impossible to take on a high vet(if you get high condition gear, and use your class right, it can be done/ however, it still doe snot change the fact that many people cannot even play the PvP because of all these max Vets running around, 3 hitting half the population. its not a matter of jealousy, or anger, its the fact that i cant have fun when the only people i can face are those that 3 hit me, or those that dont even stand a chance.

Cody · May 2014

PF1901 wrote: »

I could swear it was just like yesterday someone asked for the same s***. No thanks. Currently in cyrodiil with a level 12. There are countless other games where you have what you ask for. Can you spell "countless"?

you dont have to be a d***. you have a level 12 in PvP? i have a V4. anyone care? no

PF1901 · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

PF1901 wrote: »

I could swear it was just like yesterday someone asked for the same s***. No thanks. Currently in cyrodiil with a level 12. There are countless other games where you have what you ask for. Can you spell "countless"?

you dont have to be a d***. you have a level 12 in PvP? i have a V4. anyone care? no

I care (even more so now you are stating you have a v4 char). As far as I understood you referred to some problems in level difference and even mentioned "That way a level 10 wont be facing a level VR12.". So don't get all excited. My first sentence may make me sound like a [snip], I apologize for that. But I stick to my guns - I like the fact there are no arenas and I don't like the fact people ask exactly for that - again and again. I understand people are complaining that every mmo out there is exactly like every other but if then there is a mmo which tries to be a wee bit different, they want to change it to be like every other.

Edit: the concept is there: one big war where everyone from level 10 can join. If there are problems regarding the level difference then let them work that out without changing the whole concept. Arenas with level brackets would exactly be the opposite of the original concept.

Khyras · May 2014

Basically,its a *** game.Nuff said.

PF1901 · May 2014

Khyras wrote: »

Basically,its a *** game.Nuff said.

Then move the [snip] on and get happy somewhere else.

Khyras · May 2014

PF1901 wrote: »

Khyras wrote: »

Basically,its a *** game.Nuff said.

Then move the [snip] on and get happy somewhere else.

I did,and so should everyone else.

gorant1313ub17_ESO · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

I have a V12 so I can see where you're coming from. We do have an advantage, especially those of us in full legendaries with enchants, etc. When I see a low level I basically lick my lips and I EAT. But then again... I disagree with you. I made a an alt that is V5 currently. I fought a V12 of the same class with the same weapon. I smashed on him in 1V1 (before the server just crashed) by just managing my resource pool and countering while making him/her waste theirs. There is more to the PvP than levels so please stop with these posts.

you took on a V12 1v1? good for you. sadly, not everyone is as good as you.

Um I'm not the best player out there. There's no need to react like this, but you do make a point. You need to get better at PvP.

Nivzruo_ESO · May 2014

Arena would bring me and my friends back to this game, I log on maybe once every few days to que up researches. When my sub runs out I won't be resubbing unless this game brings in some real skill based pvp like 3v3 4v4 5v5.