Spindleclutch Grind? Exploit?

Veruka

I used the group search tool to find a group for Veteran Spindleclutch. When we approached the first boss, a member of the group informed us of a way to kill the first boss repetitively. After we killed the boss the first time, I watched the boss respawn, and immediately understood what was happening. I left the dungeon as I am pretty sure this is an exploit. I also submitted a report for this player along with a screenshot of the conversation where he explained how to do it.

I see many people in zone looking for more players for the "Spindleclutch Grind" and the use of this exploit is just bad. Very bad. Players are going from V1 to V5 in less than a day by killing this boss over, and over, without ever leaving the dungeon.

If this is NOT an exploit, please advise.

Fearce

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XanadoX

This is what happens when there's no beta testers....betas are not well driven. (edited)

No exploit for me, this is just a broken game. Make an NPC give VR 10 just talking with him. The ones who just want to be VR 10, give them that.

There are/have been so many exploits that it's easier to give everyone VR 10 if they want, rather than a general rollback

Veruka

A general rollback would suck for the players who legitimately level.

The whole thing is just bad news.

PBpsy

Why would one do that now instead of going to Craglorn and grind bosses right now is beyond me. It is actually encouraged since the last patch .It isn't like it is bearable to level from VR7 to VR10 by doing quests anymore.

TRIP233

Hm.. I thought the VR exploits to VR 10 was already patched before I even got to Vet 1. It was in another patch not a long time ago. I guess the developers missed one.

Nazon_Katts

A general rollback doesn't make sense, since it is way too late and there's still so many broken systems, we'd be rolling back constantly. Pulling the plug and redesigning the game would make much more sense than that. But SE are probably the only ones to have the guts to do something like that.

So I just keep ignoring the bots, exploiters and bugs and try to enjoy what's left. Strangely enough, it suffices.

navystylz_ESO

It's indicative of something else more sinister when people rather exploit level than do the actual content.

Veruka

Agreed, a general rollback would serve way more bad than good. They could patch a fix for this dungeon, and the other exploits that we've seen in the last few days..I hope..

It wouldn't do anything to the people who have already abused the exploits, and I assume there's not really a way to find out who exploited levels.

Viblo

navystylz_ESO wrote: »

It's indicative of something else more sinister when people rather exploit level than do the actual content.

That the endgame is so amazing that they want to rush there as fast as they can? lol There is always a group of people that think leveling is the game. These people never last long anyway.

Veruka

Viblo wrote: »

That the endgame is so amazing that they want to rush there as fast as they can? lol There is always a group of people that think leveling is the game. These people never last long anyway.

Regardless of why people would want to level as quickly as they can, using an exploit to get there is simply the wrong way to do it. It's nothing less than cheating, and IMO it should be punished as such. I mean, everyone (including myself) complains about the bots and gold farmers. Using an exploit to level is on that same field. Players who exploit the game should be banned, either temporarily or permanently. Just my .02 though.

KitLightning

@XanadoX‌ Problem isn't the lack of so-called BETA-Testers, but that they deliberately use their knowledge to exploit the game-mechanics in ways not equally transparent for the regular player. Ask yourself what kind of ***-up team allows this to go on without any actions.

Viblo

No where did I say something shouldn't be done and no where did I say that I thought this was a legit way to level. Calm yourself down, no reason to get worked up over pixels. And no reason to search for inferences that aren't there.

Veruka

Woah,.. you calm down, fuzzy little man peach. I wasn't putting words in your mouth, friend. I was simply expanding my thoughts on yours.

iaintoff

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Veruka

Ohhh man! Between you and Fearce I almost peed my pants in laughter! So clever! Teach me!

Veruka

What's incredible is the amount of players that get offensive, down right rude over this topic.. especially in game when the subject is approached after someone tries recruiting for one of these grinds.

Best defense is a good offense I suppose, as in the case here.

Natjur

There are lot of instance spawning mobs in the game at the moment that people are 'raiding' over and over and going from V1 to V12 within a day (mostly in craglorn)

Hopefully they will get fixed soon, you can get from V10 to V12 in a day normally if you just complete all the quests in the craglorn zone anyway, so I don't see it as a show stopper, but it is a little overboard.

The new quest chains in Craglorn are hard, but a lot of fun once completed. (the end reward is odd tho)

Alephen

if MLB has taught us anything the last 15 years it is that cheaters hate to be called cheaters. where is a link to the bill belichek south park epsode when you need one. 'it was a mistake! i didnt know it was illegal! but i was told it was ok to do!'

Veruka

[Exploit Removed]

Moderator's Note: Thank you for bringing this to our attention, we've escalated this to the appropriate teams.

F7sus4

People wouldn't farm if VR leveling would be faster.

Chirru

Two edged sword.
Edge one:
The majority of current VR10 players used exploits to be where they are. No, not my guess...established fact.
Edge two:
Grinding your way through normal VR1-10 content is at present most boring.... yes, I understand why people use exploits wherever there are any.

Personal opinion:
Having been in all 3 factions with below level 50 chars...there is not incentive for me to grinding again through the content with a Veteran char. For me the game ends at level 50.

Veruka

F7sus4 wrote: »

People wouldn't farm if VR leveling would be faster.

Understandable.. yet you do know there's a difference between farming and exploiting, right?


I would have no complaints if people were to simply run the same content over and over in its entirety as a way of farming.. It's what legitimate farmers would do.
These people and their "Spindle Grinds" are using a bug with a boss inside an instanced dungeon to exploit.

F7sus4

Veruka wrote: »

yet you do know there's a difference between farming and exploiting, right?

In this exact case both are performed to level quicker than it was supposed to.

jdoe

F7sus4 wrote: »

People wouldn't farm if VR leveling would be faster.

We both know they still would.

Gwarok

KitLightning wrote: »

@XanadoX‌ Problem isn't the lack of so-called BETA-Testers, but that they deliberately use their knowledge to exploit the game-mechanics in ways not equally transparent for the regular player. Ask yourself what kind of ******-up team allows this to go on without any actions.

I was part of the Sanguine group, no it's not really fair to call out the BETA testers as a whole. I tested to test. I reported things that needed to be reported and moved on. What it is, is that they (ZOS) put one of the other groups (I think we all know who "they" are without having to mention them) on such a high pedestal and are now afraid to push them off, and that "They" still to this day get away with the crap that is affecting us all and don't care about the repercussions (edit) because they know they wont get disciplined for it. THAT is where the problem lies.

F7sus4

jdoe wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

People wouldn't farm if VR leveling would be faster.

We both know they still would.

Having done all the leveling progress before questing makes quests dull and boring. Having all XP from quests exclusively encourages to avoid fights on the other hand.

The_Drexill

Gwarok wrote: »

KitLightning wrote: »

@XanadoX‌ Problem isn't the lack of so-called BETA-Testers, but that they deliberately use their knowledge to exploit the game-mechanics in ways not equally transparent for the regular player. Ask yourself what kind of ******-up team allows this to go on without any actions.

I was part of the Sanguine group, no it's not really fair to call out the BETA testers as a whole. I tested to test. I reported things that needed to be reported and moved on. What it is, is that they (ZOS) put one of the other groups (I think we all know who "they" are without having to mention them) on such a high pedestal and are now afraid to push them off, and that "They" still to this day get away with the crap that is affecting us and don't care about the repercussions. THAT is where the problem lies.

This. I was a closed beta tester for 8 months. I cant count how many things I reported months before launch that weren't fixed. I remember putting in detailed feedback related to how much stronger a fully armored tank spamming bash is, over a fully optimized 2hander. We see how that worked out...

XanadoX

brandondickenson_ESO wrote: »

Gwarok wrote: »

KitLightning wrote: »

@XanadoX‌ Problem isn't the lack of so-called BETA-Testers, but that they deliberately use their knowledge to exploit the game-mechanics in ways not equally transparent for the regular player. Ask yourself what kind of ******-up team allows this to go on without any actions.

I was part of the Sanguine group, no it's not really fair to call out the BETA testers as a whole. I tested to test. I reported things that needed to be reported and moved on. What it is, is that they (ZOS) put one of the other groups (I think we all know who "they" are without having to mention them) on such a high pedestal and are now afraid to push them off, and that "They" still to this day get away with the crap that is affecting us and don't care about the repercussions. THAT is where the problem lies.

This. I was a closed beta tester for 8 months. I cant count how many things I reported months before launch that weren't fixed. I remember putting in detailed feedback related to how much stronger a fully armored tank spamming bash is, over a fully optimized 2hander. We see how that worked out...

I see the point. I have edited my first post.

I agree VR is so slow and boring...

KitLightning

Gwarok wrote: »

KitLightning wrote: »

@XanadoX‌ Problem isn't the lack of so-called BETA-Testers, but that they deliberately use their knowledge to exploit the game-mechanics in ways not equally transparent for the regular player. Ask yourself what kind of ******-up team allows this to go on without any actions.

I was part of the Sanguine group, no it's not really fair to call out the BETA testers as a whole. I tested to test. I reported things that needed to be reported and moved on. What it is, is that they (ZOS) put one of the other groups (I think we all know who "they" are without having to mention them) on such a high pedestal and are now afraid to push them off, and that "They" still to this day get away with the crap that is affecting us all and don't care about the repercussions (edit) because they know they wont get disciplined for it. THAT is where the problem lies.

Well I probably should have mentioned the exact body of tester that was hinted at, but it seems you know quite well of whom that was addressed. And true, its not viable to have those inside the team, since the data submitted is of absolutely no value. Specially if and when a test-group gets to the point that they openly acknowledge that they are tired of reporting, then their time is sure up, and should be removed. I'm pretty sure that the majority would say the same for anyone caught with their snout down in the exploiters trout. No team can have a body of testers which deliberately avoids reporting their findings due those being exploitable. It's simply not acceptable. The only thing that such tells me is that the team is either at a standstill, internally, or that they basically do not care shad.

Zaxq

navystylz_ESO wrote: »

It's indicative of something else more sinister when people rather exploit level than do the actual content.

Ive done the content once already.

Having to do it a second time on another character is soul destroyingly boring.

And no, I haven't used any exploits (yet).