Trial times are embarrassing...

Alpha_Protocol

Last night while my wife and I were playing I decided to look for the new leaderboards in the UI.

I immediately found myself utterly disappointed in what I found. It was embarrassing to inform my wife that merely hours after the patch went live we had a top time of 25 minutes...

She couldn't believe it. She is much more unforgiving than I. "That's endgame"?

Her words... I swallowed hard and mine followed... "well that's probably a well rehearsed group from the PTS, I'm sure it's much more challenging than it sounds". She's not buying it.

ZOS, you've thoroughly disappointed a 47 year-old woman.

Azarul

I'm not sure the point of this? They specifically said good groups would do it in under 30min with casuals taking about an hour.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

It really isn't that hard to disappoint a 40 year old woman. I do it twice a month on our 'date' nights.

Akalukz

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It really isn't that hard to disappoint a 40 year old woman. I do it twice a month on our 'date' nights.

Post of the year.

navystylz_ESO

Azarul wrote: »

I'm not sure the point of this? They specifically said good groups would do it in under 30min with casuals taking about an hour.

Okies... you don't see a problem with this, especially when Zos rewards you based on time. That people from PTS already get do it better because their test server is invite only, not public.

It's good this game has people like you, or else they'd go out of business lol.

frwinters_ESO

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It really isn't that hard to disappoint a 40 year old woman. I do it twice a month on our 'date' nights.

If there was some sort of award I could give you I would.

And if some group did it in 25 minutes so be it. Its supposed to be a competition and yes some groups on the PTS have the inside track. I am sure you will see that number go down as more people get involved, then the trials may see tweaks in difficulty for the future.

Ohioastro

Yes, the people who practiced these in beta will have an early advantage (I think that's your point). It will go away in a couple of weeks as others practice the same thing.

Alpha_Protocol

Ohioastro wrote: »

Yes, the people who practiced these in beta will have an early advantage (I think that's your point). It will go away in a couple of weeks as others practice the same thing.

No my point is Trials (raids) should be representative of the time and effort behind reaching that particular level of character progression.

They should convey a sense of achievement for not only the player, but the larger community as well. If all they represent are a few fleeting forgettable moments, then Trials have sounded the piercing unmistakable death knell for ESO that many have feared.

Akalukz

I for one am glad that they aren't 2-3 hour grueling time committed trails.

Carnage2K4

Alpha_Protocol wrote: »

Last night while my wife and I were playing I decided to look for the new leaderboards in the UI.

I immediately found myself utterly disappointed in what I found. It was embarrassing to inform my wife that merely hours after the patch went live we had a top time of 25 minutes...

She couldn't believe it. She is much more unforgiving than I. "That's endgame"?

Her words... I swallowed hard and mine followed... "well that's probably a well rehearsed group from the PTS, I'm sure it's much more challenging than it sounds". She's not buying it.

ZOS, you've thoroughly disappointed a 47 year-old woman.

If you're assuming there is an 'end game' (what ever the hell that really means (it seems to be different for everyone)) and then coming to the conclusion that the Craglorn trials are it, of your own accord, while we know that VR20 is a good possibility in the future and literally half the map is yet to be filled in. You set yourself up for the disappointment when you didn't get something you created in your head...

Azarul

Akalukz wrote: »

I for one am glad that they aren't 2-3 hour grueling time committed trails.

I agree with this. I think the 3-4 hour raid runs are a thing of the past. Most of that time was just clearing trash anyways. Did you really get a since of accomplishment from the trash? No, the runs would of been just as good doing only the bosses.

Catflinger

Azarul wrote: »

Akalukz wrote: »

I for one am glad that they aren't 2-3 hour grueling time committed trails.

I agree with this. I think the 3-4 hour raid runs are a thing of the past. Most of that time was just clearing trash anyways. Did you really get a since of accomplishment from the trash? No, the runs would of been just as good doing only the bosses.

Oh come on, who doesn't love the mountains of trash in AQ40 (vanilla World of Warcraft raid) with devastating knockbacks that still hit like a truck even when you're 30 levels higher than they are?

Azphira

Is this why there is so much screaming on the forums? They were too busy with time trials and self gain than doing any bug reporting?

the_falcorrwb17_ESO

@Alpha_Protocol‌ when you can complete the trial let alone post a 25 minute time then come back and complain that it's too easy.

tordr86b16_ESO

This is why ESO will go F2P. Raids ("Adventure") content is too easy and consumed faster than the development team can keep up with. Themepark MMO's suck, please get a grip ZOS.

twistedmonk

I watched the streams from the Craiglorn trials and was not impressed at all.

It was basically spamming HoTs and AoE's and not standing in red. and using speed buffs to get you from one encounter to the next.

looked boring as heck.

ZeroInspiration

So your wife is dissapointed because the best players in the game finished with an impressive time? PTS players are there for a reason, I would assume that they dedicate a great amount of time to playing and probably are the leaders of the best guilds. Also the Trials get more exciting as the record become harder to beat so this is probably what ZoS expected.

Is your wife disappointed she wasn't the first woman to go to space?

tangorn

twistedmonk wrote: »

looked boring as heck.

Which is true for every single raid in every single game that I played. Do the right thing at the right time, and you win. Given that I rather see 30 min raids than 5 hour ones...

Eris

Just an FYI to the OP. The reason that is called a Trial and not a Raid is that they are two difference concepts. The last game I recall seeing a trial in was City of Heroes, the idea was the a raid was longer and more involved, and a trial was a complex yet timed series of objectives. Raids and trials can live together in the same game.

Aaklor

let's not forget that the mobs in vet areas seemed to have gotten the craglorn buff and the craglorn mobs have the difficulty of vet area mobs now.

I have yet to see Zenimax comment on this snafu.

Noobie

ZoS need to ban all the people who were on PTS from PTS and get better people in there. This patch was horrendous for people still leveling and noone from PTS probably mentioned it. They were more worried of finding exploits in craglorn so they can take advantage of it.

Alpha_Protocol

the_falcorrwb17_ESO wrote: »

@Alpha_Protocol‌ when you can complete the trial let alone post a 25 minute time then come back and complain that it's too easy.

I will. When you pull your head out, take a deep breath.

ZeroInspiration wrote: »

So your wife is dissapointed because the best players in the game finished with an impressive time? PTS players are there for a reason, I would assume that they dedicate a great amount of time to playing and probably are the leaders of the best guilds. Also the Trials get more exciting as the record become harder to beat so this is probably what ZoS expected.

Is your wife disappointed she wasn't the first woman to go to space?

I haven't asked her, but her childhood dream was indeed to become an astronaut. I've always told her she missed her calling in the CIA, instead she became a chemist. Anything else you'd like to know?

Best players in the game? You assume too much. Nobody's saying they suck, but PTS placement means little more than its face value; "We got here first".

Siffi1112

Azarul wrote: »

I agree with this. I think the 3-4 hour raid runs are a thing of the past. Most of that time was just clearing trash anyways. Did you really get a since of accomplishment from the trash? No, the runs would of been just as good doing only the bosses.

WoW shows otherwise in all aspects.

nerevarine1138

Siffi1112 wrote: »

Azarul wrote: »

I agree with this. I think the 3-4 hour raid runs are a thing of the past. Most of that time was just clearing trash anyways. Did you really get a since of accomplishment from the trash? No, the runs would of been just as good doing only the bosses.

WoW shows otherwise in all aspects.

Are we talking about the same game? WoW introduced a raid finder tool in order to allow for 25-30 minute raids, even for the "casuals".

And OP, stop complaining that PTS testers are already clearing content quickly. I guarantee you will not have that easy of a time when you get to it yourself.

ZeroInspiration

Alpha_Protocol wrote: »

the_falcorrwb17_ESO wrote: »

@Alpha_Protocol‌ when you can complete the trial let alone post a 25 minute time then come back and complain that it's too easy.

I will. When you pull your head out, take a deep breath.

ZeroInspiration wrote: »

So your wife is dissapointed because the best players in the game finished with an impressive time? PTS players are there for a reason, I would assume that they dedicate a great amount of time to playing and probably are the leaders of the best guilds. Also the Trials get more exciting as the record become harder to beat so this is probably what ZoS expected.

Is your wife disappointed she wasn't the first woman to go to space?

I haven't asked her, but her childhood dream was indeed to become an astronaut. I've always told her she missed her calling in the CIA, instead she became a chemist. Anything else you'd like to know?

Best players in the game? You assume too much. Nobody's saying they suck, but PTS placement means little more than its face value; "We got here first".

Of course they aren't necessarily the best players, but I'm pretty sure a good mayority of them are.

Siffi1112

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Are we talking about the same game? WoW introduced a raid finder tool in order to allow for 25-30 minute raids, even for the "casuals".

You probably need more than 25-30 minutes to find a raid in raid finder if you arent heal.Then you more than the mentioned 30 minutes for 1 part of the raid let alone all parts. Then there also the normal and herioc raids which can take 3-4 hours.

Westcoast14_ESO

Alpha_Protocol wrote: »

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I immediately found myself utterly disappointed in what I found. It was embarrassing to inform my wife that merely hours after the patch went live we had a top time of 25 minutes...

Yes, that's Entropy Rising which was a guild formed on PTS (also the only guild to complete the trials during the speedruns shown on twitch to showcase the Archives). They have the players shown in the 1st and 3rd spot for the Archives and they are currently the only Guild showing completion for the Citadel.

Aside from that, what is the significance of 25 min? How does that compare to the time of your group?

rawne1980b16_ESO

There are a lot of things i'm annoyed with is this patch.

I play Templar and Nightblade, i'm allowed to be annoyed.

The speed of people doing content isn't something that annoys me. I watch a lot of speed runs on games.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/gamelist/FullList.html

People speed run things for fun.

It may not be your way of enjoying things but basing your opinion on how fast other people do things will kill your enjoyment of every game ever made.

Dragon Age Origins took me over 20 hours to finish ..... the speed run record is 35 minutes.

Sanspoof

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Siffi1112 wrote: »

Azarul wrote: »

I agree with this. I think the 3-4 hour raid runs are a thing of the past. Most of that time was just clearing trash anyways. Did you really get a since of accomplishment from the trash? No, the runs would of been just as good doing only the bosses.

WoW shows otherwise in all aspects.

Are we talking about the same game? WoW introduced a raid finder tool in order to allow for 25-30 minute raids, even for the "casuals".

And OP, stop complaining that PTS testers are already clearing content quickly. I guarantee you will not have that easy of a time when you get to it yourself.

Lol, good luck finishing lfr in 30 minutes.

wrlifeboil

Alpha_Protocol wrote: »

Last night while my wife and I were playing I decided to look for the new leaderboards in the UI.

I immediately found myself utterly disappointed in what I found. It was embarrassing to inform my wife that merely hours after the patch went live we had a top time of 25 minutes...

She couldn't believe it. She is much more unforgiving than I. "That's endgame"?

Her words... I swallowed hard and mine followed... "well that's probably a well rehearsed group from the PTS, I'm sure it's much more challenging than it sounds". She's not buying it.

ZOS, you've thoroughly disappointed a 47 year-old woman.

At least you learned at 47 years old. Some fan bois and goils will go to their grave believing that pts is for finding bugs.

My guess is that now the frontrunners are reporting 'bugs'. By making it harder for groups following, they wil stay on the leaderboards longer.

Always remember in video games: first exploiter wins, all exploiters who follow get prosecuted. lolololol

Evergreen

Alpha_Protocol wrote: »

Last night while my wife and I were playing I decided to look for the new leaderboards in the UI.

I immediately found myself utterly disappointed in what I found. It was embarrassing to inform my wife that merely hours after the patch went live we had a top time of 25 minutes...

She couldn't believe it. She is much more unforgiving than I. "That's endgame"?

Her words... I swallowed hard and mine followed... "well that's probably a well rehearsed group from the PTS, I'm sure it's much more challenging than it sounds". She's not buying it.

ZOS, you've thoroughly disappointed a 47 year-old woman.

You've hit on an important point that the PTS and forums need to be open to every subscribing member.