Inhale should be 5, not 3

Emperor

Yes, DKs were overpowered
Yes, changes needed to happen

That DOES NOT mean you should nerf a skill so hard that is becomes pointless. The only people still using Inhale just don't understand that they are wasting their mana.

The cap to only allow inhale to hit 3 people makes the skill completely pointless. It only heals like 80 per hit so that is 240 health restore... I have like 2,000 HP so that is only 12% of my health healed for a lot of magicka...

I agree that it should be capped, but make it 5 instead of 3. That way people will still want to use it. As of right now it has been removed from my ability bar and I'm sure most of the other DKs out there have removed it as well.

DDemon

It should behave like a normal AoE, it uses a lot of magica as it is.

I will not be using this skill any longer, as it is completely pointless to use, 400+ magica for 240 health is highly inefficient.

Eivar

while i don't mind the idea of not seeing dks in pvp go from under 10% hp to 100% in a blink anymore, if it truely is nerfed into uselessness, then don't worry they'll buff it up some. If you've played mmos before in the past the initial reaction is always an overnerf, then they "fine tune" it to being useful but not OP anymore.

Baphomet

From the initial looks of it, the nerf to inhale was the only screw-up in this patch.
Makes it much easier to identify and change back.

@ZoS, why not tone it down step by step if it really needed a nerf? It already took a big nerf just before the game went live.

The game can't get much zergier than it is, but maybe it can now...

monkeymystic

The skill is extremely expensive, and right now it's pointless to use it.

I don't get the reasoning behind the cap of 3 targets when the absorb already does so little damage.

What is the point of an expensive absorb dealing 70-80 damage on 3 targets when VR 10 players have 3000 health in cyrodiil?

Emperor

@eivar

We will see... If they do change it I don't think it will be any time soon because they have a million other issues to deal with and manage. Seriously though... How did this even happen? 3 max... really?

I could understand if they also lowered the magic cost or increased healing per hit, but as of right now it is seriously a completely pointless skill.

clocksstoppe

rip dk tanks. and they didnt give refund on skill points either.

makkon

3k dps is enough for dks. inhale should be 1-2 target, not even 3

Nox_Aeterna

Mate DK were clearly OP , i dont even know if these nerfs made it come back to earth where the other classes were , but it is atleast a start.

Emperor

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Mate DK were clearly OP , i dont even know if these nerfs made it come back to earth where the other classes were , but it is atleast a start.

Just because they were OP for specific reasons doesn't mean they should have skills nerfed to being pointless...

Like I said, I agree there should be a cap, but it should be 5 instead of 3 so the skill still has a purpose because as of right now the only people still using it don't understand that they are wasting mana

monkeymystic

They were OP mostly because of Destro + Resto and elemental drain + impulse spam, which is nerfed now.

They didn't have to nerf Inhale into an expensive, weak and useless ability at VR 10.

mj8411ub17_ESO

Inhale's morph allows you to interrupt and final explosion does more dmg...Skill is useless I agree but the interrupt is there.

FrauPerchta

Once classes start getting his like this in the name of balance the player base generally starts looking for another game to play.

Emperor

@mj8411ub17_ESO‌

Those small additional things don't make the skill useful. There are much better skills to use that cost a lot less magicka so Inhale is still pointless right now

JosephChip

Ability-breaking change indeed. No sane person will ever use it again. Nice patching right there. DKs were only op in the eyes of those who didn't play nor know them. Classic "grass is always greener on the other side" issue. Enjoy while you can, because this trend will eventually hit your class too, then you will stop laughing.

Millitum

You're QQ tears, they are delicious. Like the dew off winged angels' ***. Seriously though, overcome and adapt, it's the only way to play this game and frankly all MMO's. Each and every class will have its' 15 minutes of God Mode, the subsequent slap with the nerf bat, and the rise back to being balanced.

Get over it, move on, and adapt please.

Or keep QQ'ing, and I'll drink myself silly on those tears.

Emperor

Millitum wrote: »

You're QQ tears, they are delicious. Like the dew off winged angels' ***. Seriously though, overcome and adapt, it's the only way to play this game and frankly all MMO's. Each and every class will have its' 15 minutes of God Mode, the subsequent slap with the nerf bat, and the rise back to being balanced.

Get over it, move on, and adapt please.

Or keep QQ'ing, and I'll drink myself silly on those tears.

@Millitum‌

You're either an idiot or an idiot that also can't read.

Like I said before, I agree that DK should have been nerfed. That is fine, but nerfing something so hard that is becomes pointless is not ok. They made inhale pointless so I am saying they should make it useful while still not making it OP by caping it at 5 hits instead of 3.

By the way, I did adapt. I took it off my skill bar, but that is a clear sign that the skill was nerfed too hard.

monkeymystic

JosephChip wrote: »

Ability-breaking change indeed. No sane person will ever use it again. Nice patching right there. DKs were only op in the eyes of those who didn't play nor know them. Classic "grass is always greener on the other side" issue. Enjoy while you can, because this trend will eventually hit your class too, then you will stop laughing.

I don't understand how they concluded Inhale needed a 3 cap nerf TBH.
It was already subpar and expensive.

Millitum

@Emperor so your rebuttal to my obvious satirical and sarcastic comment is attack me with a verbal assault? Classy sir, classy.

Anyone reading my comment would have seen the sarcasm in it, and would notice that I backed it up saying all classes are going to get their time with the nerf bat. Every. Single. Class.

This is a norm throughout all MMO's. Dare I say, it is a law within MMO's.

ZOS will take a look at this skill in future patches, and adjust accordingly I'm sure. In the meantime, keep the personal insults and slander to a minimum eh?

Emperor

@Millitum‌ My rebuttal wasn't aimed at your ridiculous comment about tears. It was aimed at the fact that you think we should just get over a horrible change and adapt to it.

If no one complained about obvious mistakes like this then they wouldn't get fixed. The only way to adapt to this change is to not use the skill anymore. It was slightly useful in only certain situations where there were A LOT of mobs, but now it doesn't even have that. The skill is pointless and it needs changed so it is used or replaced entirely with a better skill.

Akhratos

The nerf to Inhale was even bigger than the one done to the bash builds imo. Whats the point in making the rest of the skills absolutely useless?

Maybe, some day, we will get some love to the heavy armor and 2handed skill trees as well, so we are allowed to play DK builds besides bashing/pyro, being most of them built around light.

Emperor

bump

monkeymystic

Inhale before the nerf:


Inhale after the nerf.


GG on nerfing the already subpar ability into useless

Emperor

Lol yea... honestly I rarely used Inhale before the nerf because it was only useful in rare occasions where were a lot of weak mobs, but now it is completely pointless

aeroch

Inhale was a nice heal and a bit of AoE damage. Not a bad addition to my AoE build. 3 targets makes it pretty useless, though. It scales poorly into VR. 5-6 maximum targets would be fine, like most other AoEs (I think).

davidhorstub17_ESO

Its still an amazing ability and worth having it slotted, pre nerf it was better than dragon blood for aoe encounters, now it is balanced and still really good with the draw essence morph, the secondary effect doesnt have the 3 target cap making the spell free to cast if you hit a lot of targets and dont spam it before the explosion triggers. Free aoe damage with a heal baked in... whats there to complain about?

zeuseason

This was a fun skill to use but it's pretty pointless now. I only used it in PvE dungeon runs where we'd be aoe'ing down trash packs.

monkeymystic

Yeah it's subpar, they nerfed it too hard

ForTheRealm

My DK used to be a king in AoE department, and obviously I made a build around it to shine within a group.
Nowadays, my Sorc does a lot better AoE, plus it has an excellent ranged skills. So DK goes back to tanking :-(

Hodorius

So Inhale heals you as much as Strife does...
Now you need a healer in grp play while doing 5 times as much dmg as everyone else.

This game is so broken...

Really hard not to insult you guys.
Everyone who whines about GodMode beeing a little less goddy press "lol".

Emperor

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