Yay they fixed bows !!!

hamon

NOT....

this is it for bows in terms of the huge patch.

Bow

Scorched Earth (Volley morph): Changed this ability’s visual FX to help it stand out better from enemy fire area-effects.


jesus christ they really get the state of play with how lame the whole bow line is don't they ....

ZiRM

Did you expect logical fixes?

hamon

not sure i expected them ive learnt to manage my expectations. however i hoped for much needed fixes. as it is nothing in the bows line is worth using apart from poison arrow (i dont even think the dot ticks off this) and scatter shot. theres another thread somewhere about it in detail. snipe is just a comple waste of time and the passives are rubbish.. and even the base damage of bows seems very low against vet lvl mobs... thats why you see very very few bow users in vet pve.

ZiRM

I agree when people in groups I'm playing in are using bows as their main others tell them to change it out because it's pretty worthless as it is now.

The magic 8 ball says ZOS will NERF the bow!

hamon

NiRN wrote: »

I agree when people in groups I'm playing in are using bows as their main others tell them to change it out because it's pretty worthless as it is now.

The magic 8 ball says ZOS will NERF the bow!

yes theres some insane logic in effect in the ZOS offices i think .. Dev 1 "hey man nobody is using bows in pve at vet lvls why you think that is ?"


Dev 2 " they must be so powerfull its easy mode , i guess we should nerf them "

rfpalmerb16_ESO

NiRN wrote: »

I agree when people in groups I'm playing in are using bows as their main others tell them to change it out because it's pretty worthless as it is now.

The magic 8 ball says ZOS will NERF the bow!

I am well aware of the bow issues ... now i just have to come up with the money to respec AND decide, as a NB, what weapon would make me at least marginally effective. At this point it feels like my non magic choices are:

Rebelle Nerf-dart launcher
Wiffle-ball bat
A fork and Spoon.

ZiRM

rfpalmerb16_ESO wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

I agree when people in groups I'm playing in are using bows as their main others tell them to change it out because it's pretty worthless as it is now.

The magic 8 ball says ZOS will NERF the bow!

I am well aware of the bow issues ... now i just have to come up with the money to respec AND decide, as a NB, what weapon would make me at least marginally effective. At this point it feels like my non magic choices are:

Rebelle Nerf-dart launcher
Wiffle-ball bat
A fork and Spoon.

HAHA! Duel wielding is like using a fork and spoon or maybe SPORKS!

hamon

or foul language? perhaps it would be more effective to use swearing to damage mobs to get some ranged stamina damage on bosses. god you know its broken when folk are more effective using silver bolt spam as ranged stam damage than an entire weapon line with passives..... blerghhhh

siuolly

Bow hits like a baby. When I hit 40, bow no longer become my main damage. Not to talk about all the speed attack improvement (i.e NB Haste) doesn't even work on bow (well, at least I don't see any different with 2 points in the medium Armor Agility passive versus not having it).

AngryNord

Bow? Lame? LoL, NPC archers are _the_ most overpowered enemies in the game.

ZiRM

Around Lvl 47 or so I dropped the bow and haven't looked back. I enjoy using a bow but it just wasn't feasible anymore.

hamon

AngryNord wrote: »

Bow? Lame? LoL, NPC archers are _the_ most overpowered enemies in the game.

yes if we could just loot whatever damn bows they give the NPC's things would be golden =D

Blade_07

hamon wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

I agree when people in groups I'm playing in are using bows as their main others tell them to change it out because it's pretty worthless as it is now.

The magic 8 ball says ZOS will NERF the bow!

yes theres some insane logic in effect in the ZOS offices i think .. Dev 1 "hey man nobody is using bows in pve at vet lvls why you think that is ?"


Dev 2 " they must be so powerfull its easy mode , i guess we should nerf them "

LMAO!!!!! True!

Jimm_ay

so the whole murder machine holy archer build for templar is not a good choice? Even if you put 35 in stam?

Blade_07

I do like the knock back move that bow gives. If they nerf that then the bow will be even more useless and really not even worth using st all!!!!

rawne1980b16_ESO

AngryNord wrote: »

Bow? Lame? LoL, NPC archers are _the_ most overpowered enemies in the game.

Sadly we're not NPC archers.

On topic....

I can finally use bows again.

The one thing holding me back was the visual of scorched earth.

Nothing at all to do with bows sucking giant hairy monkey nuts ... nope ... it was all that one visual.

Arreyanne

Best part about Bows is

Use magnum shot near a door, get hung between the door as in

Door that u clicked to enter and door that u click to exit

Now none of your abilities work, however NPC that you were fighting enters said between door phase and beats you to death

Thats my Favorite bow experiences

hamon

Jimm_ay wrote: »

so the whole murder machine holy archer build for templar is not a good choice? Even if you put 35 in stam?

i played templar archer till about lvl 40 ish and it was fun. but it just drops off to suicide in vet mode.. i can still perma knockback a single boss thats not imunne with spear and scatter swapping.. but thats about its usefullness .. and you cant really play a templar with 35 points in stam if you want to be effective as a healer and things imo.

ZiRM

I'll give you that... NPC archers are second on the list behind healers/mages for my shield bash/one handed onslaught. But as players the bow is lackluster to say the least.

Don't you just luv when an arrow goes through a wall or rock to kill you?

Spiritreaver_ESO

Question: Do others really think the Bow Skill line isn't that good?

Seriously asking here, i love it and never personally found anything wrong with it.

Pangnirtung

If you need proof about how great Bow is visit a tough dungeon and witness how often it ISN'T used.

hamon

NiRN wrote: »

I'll give you that... NPC archers are second on the list behind healers/mages for my shield bash/one handed onslaught. But as players the bow is lackluster to say the least.

Don't you just luv when an arrow goes through a wall or rock to kill you?

i opted for the other morph after a few times magnum shot knocked me back into another group of mobs or down a cliff . safer to knock stuff away from me magnum is better for pvp tho for sure. he he

siuolly

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Question: Do others really think the Bow Skill line isn't that good?

Seriously asking here, i love it and never personally found anything wrong with it.

What level are you?

Hypertionb14_ESO

The Bombard Morph of arrow spray can be easily timed like a infinite root... its the reason that i tend to swap back to Bow when fights get hard and level DW on the other stuff. Even mobs like trolls and harvesters are made easy enough thanks to the bow and arrow.

Volley and its morphs are the only stamina based location targetable AOE DOTs in the game, and can stack with the other class based magicka ones with Bombard rooting.

Snipe and its morphs can do 1k damage with a crit at ranges greater than any other ability in the game, with the focused aim morph also boosting ranged attacks range and power not just for you but ANYONE who is attacking the same target.

Scatter shot is powerful in addition to knockback AND disorent, which one on one can again be timed in a way to stun lock mobs, the Magum shot morph does more damage and moves you back as well putting you at great range letting you decide on your next move against a stunned foe, and draining adds a snare that can keep a foe away even if they break the inital disorent.

Poison Arrow is so low cost that its one of the most easily spammable moves in the game, does good damage at long ranges and can be morphed to stun casting targets.

Its one of the trees i consider to be truely great and you make a topic about how useless you see it?

its only real weakness is that as a Stamina based skill line, you cant block or dodge as often as you might with say, destruction staff which you can just walk around blocking while spamming Pulsar, but its ability to keep enemys at range and PUMMEL them at that range is completly unmatched. Its the only weapon type that actually allows for a ranged combat build really.

hamon

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Question: Do others really think the Bow Skill line isn't that good?

Seriously asking here, i love it and never personally found anything wrong with it.

i have a NB at lvl 32 and with syphons the bow is great .. however i,m still not convinced it will be up to par at vet lvls even on him.. the whole stamina versus magika thing doesnt help any stamina based weapons as well .. i want to love the bow . i love archer type classe in every MMO since EQ years ago

plus my single biggest dissapointment in this game to date , without a shadow of a doubt is unlocking snipe and seeing how lame it was... even the animation FFS . that animation is surely an archer firing a volley not sniping ..grrr

Arreyanne

Oh and I forgot, Snipe what a waste of a 38 point ability Oh except for PvP

rawne1980b16_ESO

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Question: Do others really think the Bow Skill line isn't that good?

Seriously asking here, i love it and never personally found anything wrong with it.

My NB hasn't touched a bow since level 30.

Dual wield has far superior damage.

Some people like it, I prefer not gimping myself.

UrQuan

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Question: Do others really think the Bow Skill line isn't that good?

Seriously asking here, i love it and never personally found anything wrong with it.

I've got multiple characters who use each of the weapon skill lines, and IMO bow is the weakest of them all. That's not to say that it can't be used effectively (it's a good option if you want to go all-ranged and alternate between magika and stamina attacks), but I still think it's the weakest weapon skill line - especially as you get to higher levels.

Blade_07

hamon wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

I'll give you that... NPC archers are second on the list behind healers/mages for my shield bash/one handed onslaught. But as players the bow is lackluster to say the least.

Don't you just luv when an arrow goes through a wall or rock to kill you?

i opted for the other morph after a few times magnum shot knocked me back into another group of mobs or down a cliff . safer to knock stuff away from me magnum is better for pvp tho for sure. he he

lmao....I never did that morph just for that reason. Didnt wanna end up aggo'ing other mobs and that or falling off a cliff!

Spiritreaver_ESO

Thanks guys that gave real answers so quickly. I was just wondering

And to that other guy, i'm about halfway to VR3 on my Nightblade. I always keep my backup bar setup for Bow and my primary floats between Dual wield and 2 Hand depending on what i'm doing. Thanks

hamon

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

The Bombard Morph of arrow spray can be easily timed like a infinite root... its the reason that i tend to swap back to Bow when fights get hard and level DW on the other stuff. Even mobs like trolls and harvesters are made easy enough thanks to the bow and arrow.

arrow spray might better if it had better range and cost much less stamina but its very expensive

Volley and its morphs are the only stamina based location targetable AOE DOTs in the game, and can stack with the other class based magicka ones with Bombard rooting.

except its range is short and its weak

Snipe and its morphs can do 1k damage with a crit at ranges greater than any other ability in the game, with the focused aim morph also boosting ranged attacks range and power not just for you but ANYONE who is attacking the same target.

1k crit is utterly meh on vet mobs, a crouched heavy hit can do that. and snipe has the minimum range meaning i need plenty space for it to be usable.. and the 3 second windup is just toooooo much


Scatter shot is powerful in addition to knockback AND disorent, which one on one can again be timed in a way to stun lock mobs, the Magum shot morph does more damage and moves you back as well putting you at great range letting you decide on your next move against a stunned foe, and draining adds a snare that can keep a foe away even if they break the inital disorent.

scatter shot is good. i think you will find few complaints about scatter shot and poison arrow

Poison Arrow is so low cost that its one of the most easily spammable moves in the game, does good damage at long ranges and can be morphed to stun casting targets.

Its one of the trees i consider to be truely great and you make a topic about how useless you see it?

yes all told its weak. damage wise passives wise. I love the bow but its just not feasable in vet mode imo sorry. thats just my opinion tho

its only real weakness is that as a Stamina based skill line, you cant block or dodge as often as you might with say, destruction staff which you can just walk around blocking while spamming Pulsar, but its ability to keep enemys at range and PUMMEL them at that range is completly unmatched. Its the only weapon type that actually allows for a ranged combat build really.