So let's talk about undaunted sets coming to a PvP vendor near you with Thieves Guild DLC in 2016

Legedric · December 2015

Don't know what I am talking about?
Watch this part of the ESO Live stream

Some facts from the stream:
- A new vendor will be placed in Cyrodiil safe zones for each faction to sell dungeon gear
- The vendor will only be at his fixed place for some days a week
- Set items will cost "very very high amounts of gold or AP"
- Set items will vary for each week
- Internal discussions about making these items tradeable is still ongoing

So much for the facts we got from the stream.

But what about the information we didn't get from @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?
- How will armor types be handled?
- How will traits be handled?
- How will the weekly change happen?
- What range will the costs be at for AP? like 500k, 1m or 2m just to get a direction?
- Only undaunted sets or also other dungeon sets like Overwhelming Mage, Brands of the Imperium etc.?

Brian was mentioning on the stream that one week the vendor will sell Engine Guardian hat/helmet and maybe Hunding's Rage the other week.

Well, we all (except Brian) know Hunding's Rage is a crafted set and it doesn't make sense at all to put it on a vendor for high gold/AP costs but can someone from ZOS please tell us some more about this weekly variety?
Will the vendor only sell one part a week or like 3 items from different sets a week?

Because we've got 10 sets now and making shoulders and helmets appear seperately each week we are talking about 20 weeks per cycle to see every set on the vendor, making it 5 months to wait for someone to get the piece he wants if they appear on a fixed schedule.
If it is random (which is ZOS's favorite way to troll us, we all know for sure) this may take even way longer...

I appreciate this approach very much although I think it's already one year too late to add this but can @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_BrianWheeler maybe provide some more information about this, please?
I know this stuff is already somehow visible on the "mythical internal guild test server" so please don't try to tell us it's still in its planning phase and you don't want to tell us more about it

regards,

Legedric

Draxys · December 2015

Lol hundings rage...

If they don't sell both the head and shoulders at the same time, this will be as much bull *** as the current rng system.

Jura23 · December 2015

Since some Akaviri chapters cost 500k, I would imagine the "very high amount of AP" will be at least 1 million in this case.

I also think they should put in a vendor who would buy AP for gold and vice versa. Of course the exchange rate would have to be determined.

Alcast · December 2015

Well fitted inc

Docmandu · December 2015

As an alt-o-holic, I'll probably not be able to buy anything from that vendor, as my AP is spread over multiple characters.. would be nice if AP could also be banked, now that they have a separate currency tab.

TheDarkShadow · December 2015

What if... you need an Engine guard helm. You wait a month for the vendor to show up with that set. You buy a box for 1m AP, and you open it to find out it's a well-fitted shoulder in the wrong weight? Imagine the pain...

Ara_Valleria · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Well fitted inc

I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

Telel · December 2015

This one shall tell a story. A story of dumb things some shadowy undefined persons have said.

Once upon a time people demanded ZOS dumb down imperial city so that they wouldn't have to "PVP in a PVP area because they bought the DLC and it'd make getting the new gear to hard".

In response this one quipped "Well then khajiit demands that all dungeon drops have a chance from dropping off of mud crabs. Level 1 mud crabs. Because dungeons are hard too."

This one thinks this is a nice middle ground between both extremely selfish and ignorant points of view.

Now if they'd just make laurels transferrable....

The end.

Turtl3Lov3 · December 2015

Telel wrote: »

This one shall tell a story. A story of dumb things some shadowy undefined persons have said.

Once upon a time people demanded ZOS dumb down imperial city so that they wouldn't have to "PVP in a PVP area because they bought the DLC and it'd make getting the new gear to hard".

In response this one quipped "Well then khajiit demands that all dungeon drops have a chance from dropping off of mud crabs. Level 1 mud crabs. Because dungeons are hard too."

This one thinks this is a nice middle ground between both extremely selfish and ignorant points of view.

Now if they'd just make laurels transferrable....

The end.

I DO NOT UN-DER-STAND YOUR KIT-TY LANG-UA-GE, PLEASE SPEAK ENG-ER-ISH

LOVE THE TURTLE

Stonesthrow · December 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

As an alt-o-holic, I'll probably not be able to buy anything from that vendor, as my AP is spread over multiple characters.. would be nice if AP could also be banked, now that they have a separate currency tab.

That would make sense, unless...

It was misused by some of those "multi-faction" pvp players (you know who you are) to funnel AP (aka funding terrorism) to buy the soon to be returning forward camps in mass quantities (20k AP is not much at all) providing comfort and shelter (and rezzies) to the enemy, allowing said enemy to... be an enemy... of my enemy is my friend!

Sorry, foil hat fell off midstream.

Pretty sure you can just buy siege and bank as is, but the limited forward camps were faction based... wonder if all the returning ones will be that way.

Septimus_Magna · December 2015

Legedric wrote: »

But what about the information we didn't get from @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?
- How will armor types be handled?
- How will traits be handled?
- How will the weekly change happen?
- What range will the costs be at for AP? like 500k, 1m or 2m just to get a direction?
- Only undaunted sets or also other dungeon sets like Overwhelming Mage, Brands of the Imperium etc.?

If the price is indeed very high (which is subjective) it would be fair to have at least the correct weight. For example, Engine Guardian Heavy Helmet Lock-Box, giving a heavy engine guardian head with random trait (hopefully training, exploration, well-fitted excluded).

It would be pointless to sell the more unwanted monster masks such as Bogdan, Mephala, Lord Warden and Maw of the Infernal because nobody will pay very much gold/AP to get them. The new merchant will only be useful if he sells monster masks people actually want like Nerienths, Molag Kena, Engine Guardian, Bloodspawn and Valkyn Skoria.

I think the monster masks will be at least 1m AP because the Akaviri chapters are already 500k, Im not sure how much gold that would translate to.

It would be cool if there were 3 weekly sets, 1x monster mask, 1x set from IC DLC and 1x set from Orsinium DLC.
In my opinion there's really no need to add crafted sets because they're cheap/easy to get.

Jura23 · December 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

But what about the information we didn't get from @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?
- How will armor types be handled?
- How will traits be handled?
- How will the weekly change happen?
- What range will the costs be at for AP? like 500k, 1m or 2m just to get a direction?
- Only undaunted sets or also other dungeon sets like Overwhelming Mage, Brands of the Imperium etc.?

If the price is indeed very high (which is subjective) it would be fair to have at least the correct weight. For example, Engine Guardian Heavy Helmet Lock-Box, giving a heavy engine guardian head with random trait (hopefully training, exploration, well-fitted excluded).

It would be pointless to sell the more unwanted monster masks such as Bogdan, Mephala, Lord Warden and Maw of the Infernal because nobody will pay very much gold/AP to get them. The new merchant will only be useful if he sells monster masks people actually want like Nerienths, Molag Kena, Engine Guardian, Bloodspawn and Valkyn Skoria.

I think the monster masks will be at least 1m AP because the Akaviri chapters are already 500k, Im not sure how much gold that would translate to.

It would be cool if there were 3 weekly sets, 1x monster mask, 1x set from IC DLC and 1x set from Orsinium DLC.
In my opinion there's really no need to add crafted sets because they're cheap/easy to get.

Its highly questionable if they even plan to put in DLC sets. I think the purpose of the whole BoP madness we are dealing with was to prevent anybody who didnt buy DLC or sub to get these sets.

Ishammael · December 2015

if they put it in a RNG bag....

Rust_in_Peace · December 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

if they put it in a RNG bag....

Here is my prediction:

1 dungeon set per day and you can buy the helm and the shoulder. Let's just say Molag Kena. The following are only available in Molag Kena for that day, or week, or whatever they have planned.

Option 1: Pick the set you want in the armor type you want but it only comes in 1 trait. eg. Impenetrable (most likely since it's from pvp vendors). Cost is 1,000,000 AP and 100,000 gold.

Option 2: Pick the loot bag in the armor type you want (they should give us that at least) with a random trait on it. Cost is 800,000 AP and 75,000 gold.

Similar to how the Telvar sets in IC were released.

bigscoothb14_ESO · December 2015

Correct me if im wrong but currently there is no way to make gold from running dungeons, with the exception of a IC jewelry set piece drop. I have the gold or AP to buy stuff from this vendor when it launches although gold keys from pledges needs to be in there as well. 10 gold keys for a helm?

BTW Hunding's Rage is a horrible idea, IC armor is a great idea! I have grinded myself sick for spell power cure and have 2 items of that set to show for it. I submit to the RNG overlord, i put together full sets of Worm Cult/Ebon/Savior gear in half the time to get only 2 spell power items(well-fitted waist/reinforced shoes).

In my opinon only adding a single helm for sale will ruin this idea. Why not put some other hard to get items in there as well? Vicious Ophidian/Infallible Mage anyone? Trial gear for sale may hurt some peoples feelings, but isnt the whole point of this vendor to be a AP/gold sink?

MountainHound · December 2015

Well If you think bout it, it depends on the mount of AP it would cost to get that hunding gear. I could see it working IF it was say Heavy, all gold and any trait.

8 x Tempers (7K~) = 56k
130 mats = ~60k?

EG if it costs 500k ap to buy, then it might be good for some people?

I'd prefer it if it was Agility bag sets / WGT drops etc

Also, GIMME a master weapon bag for apnomnomnom

Darnathian · December 2015

MountainHound wrote: »

Well If you think bout it, it depends on the mount of AP it would cost to get that hunding gear. I could see it working IF it was say Heavy, all gold and any trait.

8 x Tempers (7K~) = 56k
130 mats = ~60k?

EG if it costs 500k ap to buy, then it might be good for some people?

I'd prefer it if it was Agility bag sets / WGT drops etc

Also, GIMME a master weapon bag for apnomnomnom

Will there be a way to exploit to get the items?

MountainHound · December 2015

There is always a way.

Legedric · December 2015

bigscoothb14_ESO wrote: »

BTW Hunding's Rage is a horrible idea, IC armor is a great idea! I have grinded myself sick for spell power cure and have 2 items of that set to show for it. I submit to the RNG overlord, i put together full sets of Worm Cult/Ebon/Savior gear in half the time to get only 2 spell power items(well-fitted waist/reinforced shoes).

Don't take the Hunding's Rage mentioning too serious. I am pretty certain that @ZOS_BrianWheeler just mixed up the set names and meant some other dungeon set and not Hunding's Rage. After all his area of operation is PvP mechanics and not creating items, which is Team @Wrobel 's part...