13k Lava Whips after last patch?

Vynist · June 2015

First off, I am a vampire, but before the patch the hardest hitting whips were around 8-9k. After pvping for a few hours last night, I was consistently being hit with 11-13k whips.

I am at work right now so I don't have the pics I took, but I am wondering is this intended? Am I *** and I just never noticed being hit this hard? Or did whip just get a buff and I missed it.

Thanks for your time! Let's keep all discussion civil and unheated.

Merlin13KAGL · June 2015

The second hit is an exploit (no, not cheating, but literally an exploit), a special situation that causes increased damage.

The Death Recap should differentiate between the two, though.

Also, depending on the gear set up (Silks of the Sun, anyone?), CP's, and Crit 11-13k, while absurdly high, is within the realm of believeability given current game mechanics.

Was this a random encounter, the same individual, or a testing setup?

Lenikus · June 2015

Dunmer Fire Mage DKs... they are back.

I've been hit for a 10k lava whi once, too.

Daveheart · June 2015

Vynist wrote: »

First off, I am a vampire, but before the patch the hardest hitting whips were around 8-9k. After pvping for a few hours last night, I was consistently being hit with 11-13k whips.

I am at work right now so I don't have the pics I took, but I am wondering is this intended? Am I *** and I just never noticed being hit this hard? Or did whip just get a buff and I missed it.

Thanks for your time! Let's keep all discussion civil and unheated.

Are you talking about Monday's patch? I think you were just getting whipped by the wrong people (or maybe now you're getting hit by the wrong one). This was more than possible (and already happened).

GaldorP · July 2015

Lava Whip gets bonus damage from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert. I'm not sure if that's intended or a bug, but that might be the reason why it's hitting so hard from some players.

Edit: Nvm, the *bonus damage* from Thaumaturge in my testing was probably just from increased Max Magicka. It increased a lot because I was testing it with low Magicka and no buffs, 0 and 5 Champion Points invested in the Mage. Sorry about that ><

Beesting · July 2015

Nice !

I am leveling a second magica dk, this time a dunmer

BuggeX · July 2015

Im not a Dunmer and able to crit 15k to Vamps without Nirnhorned or Fireress

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The second hit is an exploit (no, not cheating, but literally an exploit), a special situation that causes increased damage.

No, the second hit just heal yourself for X, it does not have a increased dmg

Gorthax · July 2015

GaldorP wrote: »

Lava Whip gets bonus damage from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert. I'm not sure if that's intended or a bug, but that might be the reason why it's hitting so hard from some players.

Edit: Nvm, the *bonus damage* from Thaumaturge in my testing was probably just from increased Max Magicka. It increased a lot because I was testing it with low Magicka and no buffs, 0 and 5 Champion Points invested in the Mage. Sorry about that ><

Thamaturge adds damage to ALL form of magicka attacks......as does elemental expert with each element (fire lightning frost)....it says it in the description lol

Etaniel · July 2015

Highest I've ever done is 12K on a light armor vampire with absolutely no spell resistance.
I rarely go above 8-9k in crit though

GaldorP · July 2015

Gorthax wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

Lava Whip gets bonus damage from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert. I'm not sure if that's intended or a bug, but that might be the reason why it's hitting so hard from some players.

Edit: Nvm, the *bonus damage* from Thaumaturge in my testing was probably just from increased Max Magicka. It increased a lot because I was testing it with low Magicka and no buffs, 0 and 5 Champion Points invested in the Mage. Sorry about that ><

Thamaturge adds damage to ALL form of magicka attacks......as does elemental expert with each element (fire lightning frost)....it says it in the description lol

Actually, it doesn't, according to my testing. It only increases the damage of skills that deal *magic damage*. Each damage effect is either physical, magic, poison, disease, flame, frost, or shock type damage. It can't be more than one type. Lava Whip is flame damage as it says in the skill's description.

How did I test it:
I used Lava Whip on a VR 10 jackal with a character that had 0 CP spent -> 1575 damage
I used it again after spending 5 points in Thaumaturge -> 1592 damage
I reset the Champion Points to 0 and invested 5 points in Precise Strikes -> 1592 damage
I reset the Champion Points to 0 again and invested 5 points in Elemental Expert -> 1641 damage

Paradox · July 2015

GaldorP wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

Lava Whip gets bonus damage from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert. I'm not sure if that's intended or a bug, but that might be the reason why it's hitting so hard from some players.

Edit: Nvm, the *bonus damage* from Thaumaturge in my testing was probably just from increased Max Magicka. It increased a lot because I was testing it with low Magicka and no buffs, 0 and 5 Champion Points invested in the Mage. Sorry about that ><

Thamaturge adds damage to ALL form of magicka attacks......as does elemental expert with each element (fire lightning frost)....it says it in the description lol

Actually, it doesn't, according to my testing. It only increases the damage of skills that deal *magic damage*. Each damage effect is either physical, magic, poison, disease, flame, frost, or shock type damage. It can't be more than one type. Lava Whip is flame damage as it says in the skill's description.

How did I test it:
I used Lava Whip on a VR 10 jackal with a character that had 0 CP spent -> 1575 damage
I used it again after spending 5 points in Thaumaturge -> 1592 damage
I reset the Champion Points to 0 and invested 5 points in Precise Strikes -> 1592 damage
I reset the Champion Points to 0 again and invested 5 points in Elemental Expert -> 1641 damage

Not sure I understand. There is a damage difference with Thaumaturge points from base.

Flaminir · July 2015

Paradox wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

Lava Whip gets bonus damage from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert. I'm not sure if that's intended or a bug, but that might be the reason why it's hitting so hard from some players.

Edit: Nvm, the *bonus damage* from Thaumaturge in my testing was probably just from increased Max Magicka. It increased a lot because I was testing it with low Magicka and no buffs, 0 and 5 Champion Points invested in the Mage. Sorry about that ><

Thamaturge adds damage to ALL form of magicka attacks......as does elemental expert with each element (fire lightning frost)....it says it in the description lol

Actually, it doesn't, according to my testing. It only increases the damage of skills that deal *magic damage*. Each damage effect is either physical, magic, poison, disease, flame, frost, or shock type damage. It can't be more than one type. Lava Whip is flame damage as it says in the skill's description.

How did I test it:
I used Lava Whip on a VR 10 jackal with a character that had 0 CP spent -> 1575 damage
I used it again after spending 5 points in Thaumaturge -> 1592 damage
I reset the Champion Points to 0 and invested 5 points in Precise Strikes -> 1592 damage
I reset the Champion Points to 0 again and invested 5 points in Elemental Expert -> 1641 damage

Not sure I understand. There is a damage difference with Thaumaturge points from base.

That's because points in thaumaturge still increase your max magicka a little bit... and more magicka equals more damage.

Elemental expert damage is higher because of both the increase in max magicka by having a generic CP in the blue section, but also the fact that elemental expert is working on that skill.

SeptimusDova · July 2015

ELE makes lava whip more Spankier(tm) I have one of those Dunmer DK fire mage thingy's the Elemental Expert works great with Fire based stuff. Fire is awesome so are sparkly things and the Wife's super Yummy Coffee Cakes. Silks set adds a boost and I will look around the inventory and see what else provides such. Lots of nifty knick knacks and trinkets help.Oh and purple foodz. No if I can stop from being eclipsed(speed buffed) and dying from dragon leaping fall damage(cliffs). Why does falling Crit so much. Why cant we just twist cankles or break legs. Can we have a cripple option?

Zsymon · July 2015

Paradox wrote: »

Not sure I understand. There is a damage difference with Thaumaturge points from base.

Only because of max magicka increase, not because it increases Flame Whip damage. That's why 5 points in precise strikes added the same damage as 5 points in Thaumaturge.. that proves Thaumaturge doesn't directly increase Flame Whip damage, only its indirect max magicka increase does.

Paradox · July 2015

Zsymon wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Not sure I understand. There is a damage difference with Thaumaturge points from base.

Only because of max magicka increase, not because it increases Flame Whip damage. That's why 5 points in precise strikes added the same damage as 5 points in Thaumaturge.. that proves Thaumaturge doesn't directly increase Flame Whip damage, only its indirect max magicka increase does.

Was not aware of that. Thanks.

Vynist · July 2015

Well that's confusing lol