Critical strike as nightblade?

Zabus

Anyone have any idea on how I can land a critical strike? 27% weapon critcal does nothing, I got 15% spell crit using light also worthless.

My main issue is actually trying to land the critical as it never registers.

Shadowy disguise does not give me my 100% crit it's supposed to.

I land crits fine with bow, but my main attack style involves daggers + NB abilities which all happen to be broken.

PBpsy

Do you have a good combat log ? How do you know you are not scoring any crits?
Can you get a a starter crit from stealth with Surprise attack?

I heard that some people have problems with NB crit but I have never had a problem.. If you are sure that you do not get crits with Shadowy disguise report it as a bug .

Arthur_Spoonfondle

I've not used Shadowy Disguise yet on my NB but, he certainly does land crits from stealth, often resulting in one-hit kills using daggers.

murklor007neb18_ESO

You can only critical hit from sneak by actually stealthing. Being invisible doesnt count as stealthing and wont perform a sneak attack.

I honestly dont think this is a bug, its by design.

Sneak attacks are meant to be counterable (such as turning around and looking at the player). If shadowy disguise caused sneak critical, it would literally make it the most horribly OP class ever seen. You'd just disguise - crit - disguise - crit - enemy dead. Every freakin time. And before you ask, yes I main a nightblade and yes they have alot of bugs to fix because the class is broken. But this thing... it aint something that we want to "fix" IMO.

Zabus

PBpsy wrote: »

Do you have a good combat log ? How do you know you are not scoring any crits?
Can you get a a starter crit from stealth with Surprise attack?

I heard that some people have problems with NB crit but I have never had a problem.. If you are sure that you do not get crits with Shadowy disguise report it as a bug .

I use FTC and also have recount to track the damage I do. They display the same number. I first try without stealthing, then I take note of the damage. I then proceed to wait for the monster to respawn, try with stealth, and the damage is relatively the same. Sometimes it's lower and higher (maybe 50-100), it's never the same number.

I play later on and then it randomly decides to work and I hit 1500-1800. Now that definitely seems like a critical, but it'll only happen a few times a day. My complaint is that the ability clearly says 100% critical strike rating. Now if this doesn't mean a guaranteed critical strike then I don't know what does.. I've seen videos on youtube doing exactly what I do, and they get criticals. I have no idea why it won't work for me.

BTW I've tried both Shadowy Disguise + Surprise attack / Shadow Disguise + Charged dagger attack. Still no critical.. And that's usually what I see in the videos.

Zabus

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

You can only critical hit from sneak by actually stealthing. Being invisible doesnt count as stealthing and wont perform a sneak attack.

I honestly dont think this is a bug, its by design.

Sneak attacks are meant to be counterable (such as turning around and looking at the player). If shadowy disguise caused sneak critical, it would literally make it the most horribly OP class ever seen. You'd just disguise - crit - disguise - crit - enemy dead. Every freakin time. And before you ask, yes I main a nightblade and yes they have alot of bugs to fix because the class is broken. But this thing... it aint something that we want to "fix" IMO.

It works with my bow, it just doesn't work with my dual blades or NB abilities. So I'm pretty sure it's a bug. Also it wouldn't make it the most OP.

Not sure if you've played PvP, but fixing this ability wouldn't definitely level the playing field. With a guaranteed critical opener, I'd finally be able to survive a 1v1.

Once I land 1/2 attacks, I'm immediately in dark talons anyways and there's nothing I can do but roll. I'll be lucky if I can use shadowy disguise a second time after that. If I do, I'm not close enough to use with surprise attack which gives the highest critical. This doesn't mean it's always gonna be 1500-1800 anyways, there's other factors like spell resistance. One of my friends can get up to 2300 on his templar. How much is a crit really gonna do there? I'll be lucky if I hit 1000.

The only other abilities I can use shadowy disguise with are lotus fan/ambush or impale < which doesn't even spell crit. I'm not sure if lotus fan does either but it's still a REALLY weak ability as it only does 96 damage. Getting a crit on that would probably bring me up to 400, if I'm lucky.. and with spell resist who knows.

There are definitely factors that would stop it from hitting too much damage especially on tanks. Which are some of the most common enemies.

If that's still not good enough, how about changing it from 100% critical to deal twice the damage it would normally would. Which it doesn't do either.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Some nb abilities use spell crit even though one would think of them as physical attacks.

The best way to ensure crit hits from stealth is to have the invisibility upgrade that add 100% crit chance because it also work on the melee spells. Of course it means you have to give up on the dot breaker version.

Zabus

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Some nb abilities use spell crit even though one would think of them as physical attacks.

The best way to ensure crit hits from stealth is to have the invisibility upgrade that add 100% crit chance because it also work on the melee spells. Of course it means you have to give up on the dot breaker version.

Except it doesn't work as stated in my first post.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Some nb abilities use spell crit even though one would think of them as physical attacks.

The best way to ensure crit hits from stealth is to have the invisibility upgrade that add 100% crit chance because it also work on the melee spells. Of course it means you have to give up on the dot breaker version.

Except it doesn't work as stated in my first post.

Weird it certainly does for me. I have hit v2 mobs for up to 4200 damage with a sneak attack.

Tavore1138

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Some nb abilities use spell crit even though one would think of them as physical attacks.

The best way to ensure crit hits from stealth is to have the invisibility upgrade that add 100% crit chance because it also work on the melee spells. Of course it means you have to give up on the dot breaker version.

Except it doesn't work as stated in my first post.

Weird it certainly does for me. I have hit v2 mobs for up to 4200 damage with a sneak attack.

It works but unreliably. So one can stealth up to a single mob, disguise, surprise attack.. And then finish off while they are stunned.

A minute later one can try it on a caster in a mob of 2 or 3, stealth up, disguise... Surprise attack... Oops no effect... Better use my incapacitating strike... Oops didn't fire but still burnt my ultimate points anyway... Ouch the mob has just killed me best go respawn...

I suspect it is the inconsistency that is making it hard for them to fix whereas if it never ever worked it might be easier.

As it is life as a NB is filled with the uncertainty of never knowing if you abilities will fire when it matters.

Gisgo

Its working fine for me, if people did stand still it would work even better.
Make sure you are fully stealthed and behind/on the sides of your target.
It works with flying blade so you dont even have to get close to your target.

spriggsub17_ESO

This is why I stopped playing. My Nightblade is VR2 and I just can't take it anymore. I'm entirely sick of my skills not procing when they should.

Argusian

No idea.

PBpsy

Argusian wrote: »

No idea.

Very insightful.

Elijah_Crow

I would recommend going to ESOUI and getting "Combat Cloud". This lets you see each damage number (as a floating number) as you hit each mob. Crit hits are larger and bolder and to be honest if you are testing without this you can't really trust the results.

Nightblade is my class (VR14) and I would say that I know the class a little better than the average nightblade player as I've done a ton of research and testing and read even more.

I personally don't understand the problems that you are posting as they have never existed for me. I have to think in this case it's a bit of user error or understanding of how attacks from stealth and shadowy disguise work.


Trust me. Combat Cloud will help you figure all of this out with ease.