For the new tanking set... which 2,3,4 piece bonus do you NOT want ?

hrothbern

ZOS recognises that something needs to be done about Heavy Armor, S&B and content to make life more enjoyable and meaningful for Tanks.

Perhaps we see in the DB DLC a new HA Tank set.
This poll is not about the 5 piece bonus. I leave that to the creativity of the devs.
But let's assume it looks great !

Which usual 2,3,4 items bonus would you not want in a new Tank set ?

Note: This poll is intended for the usual DK and NB Tanks. Not Damage Shields builds like a Sorcerer.

EDIT:
to avoid misunderstandings:

This poll is asking what you do NOT want to have !

hrothbern

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

I consider the 4% Healing Taken and the 129 Health Recovery as not very valuable for a Tank in a Group.
The reason that I am not interested in the "Adds 1064 Maximum Health" as well, is that I can easily tune my build to a big Health pool myself by Attributes.
As a Magicka Tank, doing content where I need not much Health (protected by good mitigation), I want to be able to max my DPS/selfHPS by applying max Magicka.
I will be using tri-stat Armor enchants anyway when we finally would get a good new Tanking set.

The consequence of leaving Health out and possibly replace it by Magicka or Stamina, is that the new set could become a twin with either more Magicka or Stamina.
The other solution, for if a stat bonus is added, is to give us a tri-stat bonus for 2 or 3 or 4 pieces.

NBrookus

Adds 1935 Spell or Physical Resistance

I'd like to see the mitigation cap raised. Damaged isn't capped, why is mitigation? But without that, I already have a lot of ways to get my phys and spell resist over cap. I don't need it in armor.

TheValkyn

Both 4% Healing Taken and 129 Health Recovery

NBrookus wrote: »

I'd like to see the mitigation cap raised. Damaged isn't capped, why is mitigation? But without that, I already have a lot of ways to get my phys and spell resist over cap. I don't need it in armor.

Technically mitigation is not capped. Mitigation from the armor and spell resist stats are capped but it's possible to get 94% and above in mitigation.

I'd like to see a set bonus that reduces damage dealt but increases the utilities that a tank requires significantly.

NBrookus

Adds 1935 Spell or Physical Resistance

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd like to see a set bonus that reduces damage dealt but increases the utilities that a tank requires significantly.

I'd be on board with that. Increase ultimate generation, maybe. Reduced taunt costs.

TheValkyn wrote: »

Technically mitigation is not capped. Mitigation from the armor and spell resist stats are capped but it's possible to get 94% and above in mitigation.

Are you talking about Hardy, etc.? Hardened puts me at about 38k, but I don't use it because I was under the impression in PvE nothing over ~32k was effective?

TheValkyn

Both 4% Healing Taken and 129 Health Recovery

NBrookus wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd like to see a set bonus that reduces damage dealt but increases the utilities that a tank requires significantly.

I'd be on board with that. Increase ultimate generation, maybe. Reduced taunt costs.

TheValkyn wrote: »

Technically mitigation is not capped. Mitigation from the armor and spell resist stats are capped but it's possible to get 94% and above in mitigation.

Are you talking about Hardy, etc.? Hardened puts me at about 38k, but I don't use it because I was under the impression in PvE nothing over ~32k was effective?

The mitigation you get from armor and spell resist caps out. From what I've experienced those batches are additive with other forms of mitigation through abilities or armor sets.

hrothbern

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

TheValkyn wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I'd like to see the mitigation cap raised. Damaged isn't capped, why is mitigation? But without that, I already have a lot of ways to get my phys and spell resist over cap. I don't need it in armor.

Technically mitigation is not capped. Mitigation from the armor and spell resist stats are capped but it's possible to get 94% and above in mitigation.

I'd like to see a set bonus that reduces damage dealt but increases the utilities that a tank requires significantly.

For the 5 piece bonus such a bonus is also for me a viable Tank set option

The poll is to get a feedback what bonusses are less preferred for 2, 3 and 4 pieces.

lathbury

reduce block cost or increase block mitigation would be my faves dont mind helth stam or magica or even extra resist but imho health regen and stam regen are useless in the meta and healing recieved isnt all that its nice but not a priority.

MLRPZ

Footman v16 with no exploration trait

Bashev

DK Tank here. I want all of them with magicka recovery which I can convert to stamina.

Sordidfairytale

Just throwing this out there.

2 piece add stam/magicka
3 piece reduce stam/magicka cost
4 piece enemies affected by your CC are taunted as well
5 piece increase ultimate gain while taunting

agro2014

Both 4% Healing Taken and 129 Health Recovery

healing taken, health/stamina recovery are trash bonuses for tanks.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Adds 4% Healing Taken

Woops, looks like I misread the poll (that's what I get for browsing before coffee heh).

Anyways, as an Argonian NB tank, I actually really like +healing received bonuses, but I guess I'm in the minority. The main problems with the current +healing received bonuses, however, is that they are too small and many mechanics essentially ignore it due to 1-shot mechanics. The devs treat it like it is equal to damage, regen, or a flat stat, but it is much more limited in power/utility than those (this is one of the arguments us Argonians have been making about our racial stat for a long time). Healing received bonuses on gear sets should be at least 8%.

So personally, I like +healing received on some armor sets (RIP pre-IC Shalidor's Curse). The stat works best when stacked though, so even I admit having a single +4% take up an set bonus slot is not ideal. It's also not ideal for Trials tanking when group utility and mechanics necessitate the tank being more of a support role rather than self-reliant like in 4-man content.

hrothbern

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Woops, looks like I misread the poll (that's what I get for browsing before coffee heh).

Anyways, as an Argonian NB tank, I actually really like +healing received bonuses, but I guess I'm in the minority. The main problems with the current +healing received bonuses, however, is that they are too small and many mechanics essentially ignore it due to 1-shot mechanics. The devs treat it like it is equal to damage, regen, or a flat stat, but it is much more limited in power/utility than those (this is one of the arguments us Argonians have been making about our racial stat for a long time). Healing received bonuses on gear sets should be at least 8%.

So personally, I like +healing received on some armor sets (RIP pre-IC Shalidor's Curse). The stat works best when stacked though, so even I admit having a single +4% take up an set bonus slot is not ideal. It's also not ideal for Trials tanking when group utility and mechanics necessitate the tank being more of a support role rather than self-reliant like in 4-man content.

I also think that 4% is too low if you compare it with other ways to increase your effective heal.

If you spend set bonusses in Armor mitigation it improves your effective Healing AND your effective Health pool.
If you spend set bonusses in Crit chance, Spell Damage or Magicka stat, you improve both DPS AND (self)HPS.

A buff of Healing Taken would be justified in that bigger picture.

sebban

Adds 1935 Spell or Physical Resistance

Ops, should have read it properly before voting. I missed the "not" in the question. Can't change vote either, bah.
Put me down for "Both 4% Healing Taken and 129 Health Recovery", don't want them.

istateres

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

I'd like to see

Adds X Poison resistance
Adds X Fire resistance
Adds X Cold Resistance


etc.

Those would be super 2, 3, and 4 piece bonuses for a Tank set.

hrothbern

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

sebban wrote: »

Ops, should have read it properly before voting. I missed the "not" in the question. Can't change vote either, bah.
Put me down for "Both 4% Healing Taken and 129 Health Recovery", don't want them.

smile

I added a hopefully crystal clear EDIT

Bashev

istateres wrote: »

I'd like to see

Adds X Poison resistance
Adds X Fire resistance
Adds X Cold Resistance


etc.

Those would be super 2, 3, and 4 piece bonuses for a Tank set.

Why do you need this if you are at cap with the spell resists?

hrothbern

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

Bashev wrote: »

DK Tank here. I want all of them with magicka recovery which I can convert to stamina.

haha
agree

NB Siphoning tank here.
3x Magicka Recovery would be great for the Sap Essence costs

danno8

TheValkyn wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd like to see a set bonus that reduces damage dealt but increases the utilities that a tank requires significantly.

I'd be on board with that. Increase ultimate generation, maybe. Reduced taunt costs.

TheValkyn wrote: »

Technically mitigation is not capped. Mitigation from the armor and spell resist stats are capped but it's possible to get 94% and above in mitigation.

Are you talking about Hardy, etc.? Hardened puts me at about 38k, but I don't use it because I was under the impression in PvE nothing over ~32k was effective?

The mitigation you get from armor and spell resist caps out. From what I've experienced those batches are additive with other forms of mitigation through abilities or armor sets.

Mitigation from physical resistance and spell resistance are converted to a % damage reduction. All % damage reductions in this game are multiplicative with each other. Otherwise you could very easily get 100% damage reduction in this game with a few passives and skills.

For example if I cap resists at 50%, then add 19% (or more) from Templar ultimate, 33% from Undeath, well there you go. Old Cyrodiils Light set for 25% DR while channeling and I could be an invincible PS spamming Templar.

TheValkyn

Both 4% Healing Taken and 129 Health Recovery

danno8 wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd like to see a set bonus that reduces damage dealt but increases the utilities that a tank requires significantly.

I'd be on board with that. Increase ultimate generation, maybe. Reduced taunt costs.

TheValkyn wrote: »

Technically mitigation is not capped. Mitigation from the armor and spell resist stats are capped but it's possible to get 94% and above in mitigation.

Are you talking about Hardy, etc.? Hardened puts me at about 38k, but I don't use it because I was under the impression in PvE nothing over ~32k was effective?

The mitigation you get from armor and spell resist caps out. From what I've experienced those batches are additive with other forms of mitigation through abilities or armor sets.

Mitigation from physical resistance and spell resistance are converted to a % damage reduction. All % damage reductions in this game are multiplicative with each other. Otherwise you could very easily get 100% damage reduction in this game with a few passives and skills.

For example if I cap resists at 50%, then add 19% (or more) from Templar ultimate, 33% from Undeath, well there you go. Old Cyrodiils Light set for 25% DR while channeling and I could be an invincible PS spamming Templar.

I'd like to point out that you haven't been thinking outside of the box. There are plenty of players in the PvP community that have figured out the 94%-100% mitigation build set up. Also, Cyrodiil's Light isn't even the best % mitigation set bonus.

hrothbern

Neither 1064 Maximum Health, as 4% Healing Taken, as 129 Health Recovery.

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