Radiant Destruction Nerf?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes. Or maybe Cyrodiil was acting wonky. Don't know. All I know is the base of my Radiant Destruction spell seemed ... low? I could have sworn it was over 10K base but now it's under 7K. Help me understand what's going on. They wouldn't nerf Templars of all things ... I hope.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Necromancy!

With the current rage against crown crates, I figured it would be fun to bump a completely outdated post from exactly one year ago to show how far we have come.

Just one year ago an entire class didn't work. Forget about RNG crates, proc sets, or lag ... 25% of the available toons were actually useless. Say what you will about ZOS but they do fix problems eventually.

PBpsy

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe I missed it in the patch notes. Or maybe Cyrodiil was acting wonky. Don't know. All I know is the base of my Radiant Destruction spell seemed ... low? I could have sworn it was over 10K base but now it's under 7K. Help me understand what's going on. They wouldn't nerf Templars of all things ... I hope.

Templars where of course nerfed this patch Duh.
But officially not this skill. Maybe a surprise stealth nerf . Enjoy.

UltimaJoe777

One does simply nerf Jesus and his beams.

PBpsy

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

One does simply nerf Jesus and his beams.

They just polish his spear until it goes dull.

MrDerrikk

PBpsy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

One does simply nerf Jesus and his beams.

They just polish his spear until it goes dull.

"But it is huge! It could take me all night!"

Forestd16b14_ESO

Um you talking about when nirnhoned got fixed? or did ZOS nerf templars again cause of the streamers.

PBpsy

MrDerrikk wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

One does simply nerf Jesus and his beams.

They just polish his spear until it goes dull.

"But it is huge! It could take me all night!"

"Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time."

Nebthet78

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um you talking about when nirnhoned got fixed? or did ZOS nerf templars again cause of the streamers.

They nerfed templars again. I am thoroughly convinced ZOS doesn't know what the heck they are doing!

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Au contraire Nebthet78/+-1 they know exactly what they are doing and it is dark and insidious. Methinks they are in Cahoots with Boethia.

Malmai

Ninja nerf - ZoS before people start crying...

Bigevilpeter

They nerfed its morph from 50% increased damage based on magika to 20% increased damage based on magika

So yeah Its a huge nerf

zornyan

That was ages to, it's nothing to do with that either,.

They did the recent patch a couple weeks ago to improve cyro performsncr, skills that would tick every o.5 seconds now tick everyone 1 second, but they had their damage buffed to account for that, hence why refreshing path was healing stupid op amounts.

Unfortunately templars got the short end of the stick and recieved double nerfs

Murmeltier

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

They nerfed its morph from 50% increased damage based on magika to 20% increased damage based on magika

So yeah Its a huge nerf

Thats right but that was an old Nerf. The OP talked about the Difference before and after Orsinium. Some Players posted some Pictures from the Skill, before and after and there was a Damage Difference over 7k Damage in their Pictures.

They showed it over the Tooltip, maybe the Tooltip was bugged but if they changed the Damage, it was a huge Ninja Nerf. I am not sure whats happened but it was more than some Changes about the Time for Procs, could explain.

I dont understand why so few People checked this out, and no Response from Zos explained the Difference. This is a really big Difference and whats coming next, Crystalshard with -7k Damage?

If Zos act like this, they Change whole Classbalances over the Night. I have invested as lot of Time & Money in my Templar and such Things makes me unsure how save my Character is. It is ok to Balance Things out but if they Change to much or destroy Special Skills which makes Fun, then it isnt ok.

Zos, if you want a Playerbase who trusts you, you should explain These Changes in the Future. But maybe i dont have all Pieces of the Picture and oversee something.

Corzz

Radiant is balanced the way it is does most damage for an execute but is a channel so you need to use it correctly, It was ridiculous before.

I would be fine with templar if they fixed the bugs toppling charge is unplayable for me change jabs so it doesn't give cc immunity, also fix their damage on shields. fix eclipse bug.

I can deal with playing a "weaker" class but a broken class where half of their abilities don't work is a joke.

Tors

Having to pop a potion after every charge is getting boaring now.

No potion? Then your stuck in the global cool down untill they kill you and put you out of your misery.

Justice31st

Disappointing but expected.

Bunneh

Hey, Zos; here's an idea. Why not just 'accidently' delete all existing Templars, and remove it from the character creation options?

It's clearly what you are aiming for - making it unusable so you can then justify it's removal. I would suggest you alternatively remove Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath as part of your evil schemes instead, but you have effectively done that already with the nerfs and seemingly unfixable broken skills.

Justice31st

Bunneh wrote: »

Hey, Zos; here's an idea. Why not just 'accidently' delete all existing Templars, and remove it from the character creation options?

It's clearly what you are aiming for - making it unusable so you can then justify it's removal. I would suggest you alternatively remove Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath as part of your evil schemes instead, but you have effectively done that already with the nerfs and seemingly unfixable broken skills.

Then what class would heal?

Bunneh

Justice31st wrote: »

Then what class would heal?

With regard to combat, it's only PvP that seems to matter to the devs, and as the other three classes have self-heals (and NB's have plenty though I'm sure the devs can give them more) it surely doesn't matter.

Pardon my cynicism but as a subbed player I would really like it if they spent some of the money I pay on actually fixing the problems with my main character (magika templar), instead of running around nerfing her dps whilst taking every opportunity to fix any dps reducing bugs experienced by poor likkle NBs.

SemiD4rkness

In a couple moths game will have around 50 players. 4-5 streamers rest newbs dying to streamers. And somehow streamers will manage to get Nbs buffed even more rofl

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Ugh ... I should have mentioned that I'm on XBox and this seems to have happened with yesterday's patch.

eliisra

Justice31st wrote: »

Bunneh wrote: »

Hey, Zos; here's an idea. Why not just 'accidently' delete all existing Templars, and remove it from the character creation options?

It's clearly what you are aiming for - making it unusable so you can then justify it's removal. I would suggest you alternatively remove Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath as part of your evil schemes instead, but you have effectively done that already with the nerfs and seemingly unfixable broken skills.

Then what class would heal?

No need. Healers will be obsolete after next major patch, when siege debuffs cant be purged. What's the point of healers in a raid or group, when no one can be healed or purged by them? The future is all about max dps stacking Barriers.

Last patch killed tanks. Next patch kills healers. Most healers being templars, so I'm not surprised.

ZoS just going out of their way, worse every patch, to make sure no one plays anything but high mobility/burst NB and sorc in PvP.

I fully expect a post soon with "hey gang" and "we decided to removed the templar class from the game"

Kas

eliisra wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Bunneh wrote: »

Hey, Zos; here's an idea. Why not just 'accidently' delete all existing Templars, and remove it from the character creation options?

It's clearly what you are aiming for - making it unusable so you can then justify it's removal. I would suggest you alternatively remove Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath as part of your evil schemes instead, but you have effectively done that already with the nerfs and seemingly unfixable broken skills.

Then what class would heal?

No need. Healers will be obsolete after next major patch, when siege debuffs cant be purged. What's the point of healers in a raid or group, when no one can be healed or purged by them? The future is all about max dps stacking Barriers.

Last patch killed tanks. Next patch kills healers. Most healers being templars, so I'm not surprised.

ZoS just going out of their way, worse every patch, to make sure no one plays anything but high mobility/burst NB and sorc in PvP.

I fully expect a post soon with "hey gang" and "we decided to removed the templar class from the game"

i fully agree. unless that significantly nerf barrier, any "healer" should be replaced by a stamina dd with vigor and a couipel of points in bastion

got enough chars leveled by now. time for somethign fresh. the day i accepted that i should move away from my templar was the day, eso started to become again. it's so great to always know where i misplayed when something went wrong. every day is better than the last. i think it took less than 10hours to become competetive in 1v1 and 1vX pvp in comparison to my templar and there is soooo much more potential if i actually l2p other chars properly

i am totally sincere: dear templars, just try it out. take antoher class, fully invest in a build and experience it. it's so much fun.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Kas wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Bunneh wrote: »

Hey, Zos; here's an idea. Why not just 'accidently' delete all existing Templars, and remove it from the character creation options?

It's clearly what you are aiming for - making it unusable so you can then justify it's removal. I would suggest you alternatively remove Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath as part of your evil schemes instead, but you have effectively done that already with the nerfs and seemingly unfixable broken skills.

Then what class would heal?

No need. Healers will be obsolete after next major patch, when siege debuffs cant be purged. What's the point of healers in a raid or group, when no one can be healed or purged by them? The future is all about max dps stacking Barriers.

Last patch killed tanks. Next patch kills healers. Most healers being templars, so I'm not surprised.

ZoS just going out of their way, worse every patch, to make sure no one plays anything but high mobility/burst NB and sorc in PvP.

I fully expect a post soon with "hey gang" and "we decided to removed the templar class from the game"

i fully agree. unless that significantly nerf barrier, any "healer" should be replaced by a stamina dd with vigor and a couipel of points in bastion

got enough chars leveled by now. time for somethign fresh. the day i accepted that i should move away from my templar was the day, eso started to become again. it's so great to always know where i misplayed when something went wrong. every day is better than the last. i think it took less than 10hours to become competetive in 1v1 and 1vX pvp in comparison to my templar and there is soooo much more potential if i actually l2p other chars properly

i am totally sincere: dear templars, just try it out. take antoher class, fully invest in a build and experience it. it's so much fun.

I have other classes the problem is I want to play my Templar not them

Reverb

I stand by the statement I made yesterday:

Reverb wrote: »

My best guess is that after the last nerf, Zeni ran some stats and saw that some people are still not playing nightblades or sorcerers. They won't put up with that. They'll finish neutering Templar damage skills, then move on to finish squashing dragonknights. Then they'll circle back to tackle that pesky Templar healing business.

kaalmoth

I'm on PS4, just logged on after 6 hours maintenance just to notice my damages with the skill are at around 7k when I could swear it was around 12k. There must not be many more templars playing cause noone complained on pvp board even if the patch went live earlier for pc/xbox. Or the game is dying

cazlonb16_ESO

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Ugh ... I should have mentioned that I'm on XBox and this seems to have happened with yesterday's patch.

Is that when Orsinium hit the xbox ? On the PC Jezuz Beam basically went off of everyone's hotbars right after the DLC went live.

kaalmoth

no it was just a regular patch, nothing special officially.
So that's it? we lost use of our best finishing move? god now I really regret buying some stupid stuff for black friday.

cazlonb16_ESO

Not sure it's related to the Jezuz Beam nerf with Orsinium specifically, I suspect most non-healbot Templars just eventually gave up the fight, like I did. The one or other straw out of the huge haystack just broke the camel's back.

timidobserver

I don't think there was a damage change to radiant Destruction recently. The only documented recent change was the ticks. Due to the Cyrodiil damage reduction, your damage is lower when you are in Cyrodiil.

Lord-Gibson

What blows my mind is how there is never a response from the devs on issues like this but will respond quickly to what will be in the crown store. Makes no sense to me. I play a Templar as well and I have since day one and even used one on the beta many years ago. I am so close to just playing another game cause I'm not re-rolling another toon. I rolled an orc for Orsinium and that's enough of that.

I was playing in Azuras Star last night and was getting killed left and right and not sure if I ever even killed anyone. That use to never happen, granted I killed as many people as I died before but it is way worse now. I do better with my vet 10 orc than I do with my maxed out Templar.

I agree that they are trying to get rid of the Templars or maybe even the Templar players.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Will you please respond to this thread in some way so that we may feel that ZOS does really give a hoot about the Templars and the players.