Camo Hunter Stealth Extra Damage - no cooldown

Alcast

We all know camohunter mainproc has a 2.5s cooldown. However, the stealthproc has no cooldown. Means it is possible to get 1 Maincamoproc and 2+ Stealth procs.

Now you might think, how 2 stealth procs? Well, all hits that land in a time of 0,49s or less, count still as stealth. That is how you can achieve 2 Camostealthprocs.
Not sure if intended or not...please check it, tyvm


This is my recap from addon



And this from the person I killed.

GreenSoup2HoT

A stamina dk hit you with someone's vampire one shot build (forget the guy's name). You were hit with a bow heavy attack (molten weapon's) and Silver shard's. They both hit you simultaneously which is why there are two proc's. The 2nd camo hunter just got displayed before the Silver Shard's so it look's deceiving.

You are correct though, at the moment i don't think there is any cool-down for the stealth proc, so if you can fire off two attack's that land at the same time you will proc twice. Which is why Bow is favored to do this.

unless you know another way of making this work like i do

eliisra

There's always been all these bugs with Camo Hunter and Fighters Guild in general.

Of course it doesn't obey the cooldown, not when you always have 3+ procs from the same guy on death recap. There's always 2 sneak attacked proc's, from the skills that hit you almost simultaneously and a normal one, all in less than a second. If you're vamp= rip.

Completely different question. How the hell are some people these days able to do 17-20k with Camo Hunter from sneak? Even with max weapon power, there's no way in hell you should get those numbers. I mean your average glass house stamina build still only does around 7-8k with it on players.

Does it somehow scale of both Mighty and Thaumaturge or other lame mechanic/bug, only a chosen few knows about?

Jeckll

Alcast wrote: »

We all know camohunter mainproc has a 2.5s cooldown. However, the stealthproc has no cooldown. Means it is possible to get 1 Maincamoproc and 2+ Stealth procs.

Wasnt that always that way when you are using a Dual Wield Medium Weave into a Surprise Attack for example? It will always trigger 3x Camo Hunter as all 3 hits (mainhand, offhand, Surprise Attack) happen simultaniously.

Did I miss something that changed or is it just a general reminder to ZOS that they should take a look at this?

Alcast

eliisra wrote: »

There's always been all these bugs with Camo Hunter and Fighters Guild in general.

Of course it doesn't obey the cooldown, not when you always have 3+ procs from the same guy on death recap. There's always 2 sneak attacked proc's, from the skills that hit you almost simultaneously and a normal one, all in less than a second. If you're vamp= rip.

Completely different question. How the hell are some people these days able to do 17-20k with Camo Hunter from sneak? Even with max weapon power, there's no way in hell you should get those numbers. I mean your average glass house stamina build still only does around 7-8k with it on players.

Does it somehow scale of both Mighty and Thaumaturge or other lame mechanic/bug, only a chosen few knows about?

My camo tooltip sits at 12k

Jeckll wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

We all know camohunter mainproc has a 2.5s cooldown. However, the stealthproc has no cooldown. Means it is possible to get 1 Maincamoproc and 2+ Stealth procs.

Wasnt that always that way when you are using a Dual Wield Medium Weave into a Surprise Attack for example? It will always trigger 3x Camo Hunter as all 3 hits (mainhand, offhand, Surprise Attack) happen simultaniously.

Did I miss something that changed or is it just a general reminder to ZOS that they should take a look at this?

Well, I just got many QQ that i do too many camoprocs and ppl report me, so i thought maybe better that i bring the topic to the forum so devs can decide whether they want to do smth or not

Jeckll

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I just got many QQ that i do too many camoprocs and ppl report me, so i thought maybe better that i bring the topic to the forum so devs can decide whether they want to do smth or not

Thx for clarification. Yeah, it's kind of strange people complaining now even more than with 1.6, where everyone and their mothers had 24/7 camo hunter up.

timidobserver

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

Alcast

timidobserver wrote: »

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

That 2k extra damage stam guys get due to this will not save you from death once its gone xD

timidobserver

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

That 2k extra damage stam guys get due to this will not save you from death once its gone xD

2k from low damage builds I guess. With vamp I was taking double stealth procs for 7-9k camo hunter from certain players. Dropping vamp has increased my survivability against NB burst builds significantly. Just about everyone that I PvP with regularly dropped vamp for this reason.

Alcast

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

That 2k extra damage stam guys get due to this will not save you from death once its gone xD

2k from low damage builds I guess. With vamp I was taking double stealth procs for 7-9k camo hunter from certain players. Dropping vamp has increased my survivability against NB burst builds significantly. Just about everyone that I PvP with regularly dropped vamp for this reason.

that dude was a WW, that is why low dmg.

this was actually a full weapon damage /stam build.

timidobserver

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

That 2k extra damage stam guys get due to this will not save you from death once its gone xD

2k from low damage builds I guess. With vamp I was taking double stealth procs for 7-9k camo hunter from certain players. Dropping vamp has increased my survivability against NB burst builds significantly. Just about everyone that I PvP with regularly dropped vamp for this reason.

that dude was a WW, that is why low dmg.

this was actually a full weapon damage /stam build.

All I can say is that I know I was getting 7k+ double stealth procs as a vamp before I dropped it. Dropping it most certainly has saved me from alot of deaths. I'm not a vamp anymore and I am happy without it, so this currently is a not a big deal for me. However, I would still like to see it fixed. Elusive Mist is decent for a Magicka temp.

Alcast

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

That 2k extra damage stam guys get due to this will not save you from death once its gone xD

2k from low damage builds I guess. With vamp I was taking double stealth procs for 7-9k camo hunter from certain players. Dropping vamp has increased my survivability against NB burst builds significantly. Just about everyone that I PvP with regularly dropped vamp for this reason.

that dude was a WW, that is why low dmg.

this was actually a full weapon damage /stam build.

All I can say is that I know I was getting 7k+ double stealth procs as a vamp before I dropped it. Dropping it most certainly has saved me from alot of deaths. I'm not a vamp anymore and I am happy without it, so this currently is a not a big deal for me. However, I would still like to see it fixed. Elusive Mist is decent for a Magicka temp.

Yes dropping vampire is best you can do, I mean I can oneshot vamps up to 30k HP if they dont block...

And as Mist is bugged anyway not granting speedbuff....kinda useless atm

danno8

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Hopefully they fix this. I'd like to get my vampire back.

That 2k extra damage stam guys get due to this will not save you from death once its gone xD

2k from low damage builds I guess. With vamp I was taking double stealth procs for 7-9k camo hunter from certain players. Dropping vamp has increased my survivability against NB burst builds significantly. Just about everyone that I PvP with regularly dropped vamp for this reason.

that dude was a WW, that is why low dmg.

this was actually a full weapon damage /stam build.

All I can say is that I know I was getting 7k+ double stealth procs as a vamp before I dropped it. Dropping it most certainly has saved me from alot of deaths. I'm not a vamp anymore and I am happy without it, so this currently is a not a big deal for me. However, I would still like to see it fixed. Elusive Mist is decent for a Magicka temp.

Yes dropping vampire is best you can do, I mean I can oneshot vamps up to 30k HP if they dont block...

And as Mist is bugged anyway not granting speedbuff....kinda useless atm

Yah as a Temp I am kinda stuck. Elusive Mist always works just fine for me, not sure why others are having trouble with it, but I would say at this point Elusive Mist and/or Batswarm has saved my life more times than I have been slaughtered by Camo Hunter, so for now I am keeping it.

Also, the stealth speed is very valuable for my slow ass.

I do find this double proc to be a cheap tactic though, no wonder everyone is using it. I see people one-shotting 75k daedra in IC while using Camo Hunter, it's a bit over the top.

Rayste

@Alcast Thanks for bringing this up. Zos really needs to take a look.

Yonkit

Jeckll wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I just got many QQ that i do too many camoprocs and ppl report me, so i thought maybe better that i bring the topic to the forum so devs can decide whether they want to do smth or not

Thx for clarification. Yeah, it's kind of strange people complaining now even more than with 1.6, where everyone and their mothers had 24/7 camo hunter up.

It's being brought up now because if this happened to you as a vamp in 1.6, the dmg was so great the 2nd and 3rd hits weren't needed to kill you. Now that the 50% mitigation is here, the 2nd and 3rd hits are needed and thus seen.

Vangy

Yesssss camo hunter delicious. Vampire/ww scum must die...... QQ