Glass Motif: not actually glass?

bosmern_ESO

So I've made myself a glass staff and upgraded it to gold quality, It was a little sad when I noticed something... ITS NOT GREEN.

As you can see in these pictures, it is white/silver.


ZoS, I know colors change on gear depending on the quality, but glass should remain Green, like it always has been. The colors that should change for glass should be the hilt or other parts of the armor/weapon but the blade of swords, shields, staves, etc should all have that classic green that we all know and love.

Its hard to tell that it is even glass at this stage.

nimander99

It should be glass, not green metal or w/e color it is.

ObsidianMichi

Yeah, that is a bit disappointing. The Ayleid weapons upgraded to gold look more like glass than the glass armor. On the other hand, that staff looks really neat.

NewBlacksmurf

Thats more realistic than the weird green glass stuff in Oblivion and SKyrim.

It should be white or clear.blue
I realize there is green glass but i believe the more valuable glass is clear, blue-ish in color with accents

KriHavok

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats more realistic than the weird green glass stuff in Oblivion and SKyrim.

It should be white or clear.blue
I realize there is green glass but i believe the more valuable glass is clear, blue-ish in color with accents

Agreed, I thought the tint of green used in Oblivion and Skyrim was a bit too much. I prefer a white or translucent blue colour.

timidobserver

Okay so color it green...

UrQuan

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats more realistic than the weird green glass stuff in Oblivion and SKyrim.

It should be white or clear.blue
I realize there is green glass but i believe the more valuable glass is clear, blue-ish in color with accents

I'm trying to think of an Elder Scrolls game where the glass armour/weapons hasn't been green. I know for a fact it was green in Morrowind too. Was it even in earlier games?

Oh, and the glass armour in TES isn't actual glass. It's made from some form of volcanic malachite. It's obviously not exactly the same as real world malachite (because you really couldn't make armour out of that - but then you couldn't make armour out of glass either), but for reference this is what actual malachite looks like when polished up:


So if that's the inspiration for the material glass armour is made from, it should be green.

timidobserver

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dye_Station

WolffenBloodseeker

glass used in armors/weapons in TES isn't like the glass used in windows, it's made of malachite, a vulcanic metal in Tamriel (just like ebony is not wood in tamriel but the solidified blood of a dead god) but i agree on the color part, this is a problem in all motifs in ESO, ebony is not black, dwarven is not brass colored and etc..

starkerealm

UrQuan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats more realistic than the weird green glass stuff in Oblivion and SKyrim.

It should be white or clear.blue
I realize there is green glass but i believe the more valuable glass is clear, blue-ish in color with accents

I'm trying to think of an Elder Scrolls game where the glass armour/weapons hasn't been green. I know for a fact it was green in Morrowind too. Was it even in earlier games?

Oh, and the glass armour in TES isn't actual glass. It's made from some form of volcanic malachite. It's obviously not exactly the same as real world malachite (because you really couldn't make armour out of that - but then you couldn't make armour out of glass either), but for reference this is what actual malachite looks like when polished up:


So if that's the inspiration for the material glass armour is made from, it should be green.

Yeah, it was new with Morrowind, as I recall. And, yes, glass armor in The Elder Scrolls is supposed to be green.

bosmern_ESO

timidobserver wrote: »

Okay so color it green...

You cant do it for the weapons/shield.

UrQuan

starkerealm wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats more realistic than the weird green glass stuff in Oblivion and SKyrim.

It should be white or clear.blue
I realize there is green glass but i believe the more valuable glass is clear, blue-ish in color with accents

I'm trying to think of an Elder Scrolls game where the glass armour/weapons hasn't been green. I know for a fact it was green in Morrowind too. Was it even in earlier games?

Oh, and the glass armour in TES isn't actual glass. It's made from some form of volcanic malachite. It's obviously not exactly the same as real world malachite (because you really couldn't make armour out of that - but then you couldn't make armour out of glass either), but for reference this is what actual malachite looks like when polished up:


So if that's the inspiration for the material glass armour is made from, it should be green.

Yeah, it was new with Morrowind, as I recall. And, yes, glass armor in The Elder Scrolls is supposed to be green.

I thought it was new with Morrowind, I just wasn't sure... I definitely don't remember it in Arena!

Kuroinu

I agree that the current glass armour in ESO is a bit off and that it almost looks like Stalhrim from Skyrim's Dragonborn DLC.

Also for some more reference, there are some pics in this old thread(a few days old): forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2195772/#Comment_2195772

bosmern_ESO

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Thats more realistic than the weird green glass stuff in Oblivion and SKyrim.

It should be white or clear.blue
I realize there is green glass but i believe the more valuable glass is clear, blue-ish in color with accents

Realism is pretty far from a world full of magic and mythical beasts..

Volkodav

As in Morrowind,glass should be a clear green.Since it was created in that game,I believe.Kind of like Superman's Kryptonite.

Recremen

timidobserver wrote: »

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dye_Station

We all appreciate your snark, of course, but we can't dye shields yet, and they don't have any plans right now to let us dye weapons. So this is not exceptionally helpful.

Recremen

nimander99 wrote: »

It should be glass, not green metal or w/e color it is.

If it were actual glass like what we use in windows, I'd agree, but "glass" armor is no more related to windows than Dwemer are to Tolkien dwarves.

Here is a helpful description of "glass" from the first game it appeared in.

As you can see, it is literally just green metal. So normally you would be right, but because this is Elder Scrolls lore, everything is wrong forever, especially other Elder Scrolls lore. ;-)

Ommamar

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

As in Morrowind,glass should be a clear green.Since it was created in that game,I believe.Kind of like Superman's Kryptonite.

Well it wasn't created in Morrowind but since the first two games where first person view only the armor wasn't as noticeable in them you could definitely get glass in Daggerfall. Not sure about Arena as I only played the first dungeon when the Anthology came out.

I agree since it is made from Malachite it should have a basic greenish color, not a big deal though regarding armor as you can dye the color you like.

eNumbra

Skyrims Glass Armor was better design-wise than Oblivions, which looked utterly ridiculous.

lucian_banneb18_ESO

/agreed with OP
Glass should be much more green or at least ot should look much more glassy.
From what I've seen for armor is even more obvious. If anyone got a picture of armor & shields, please share.
Thx!

timidobserver

Recremen wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dye_Station

We all appreciate your snark, of course, but we can't dye shields yet, and they don't have any plans right now to let us dye weapons. So this is not exceptionally helpful.

You can still get most of it green if that is what you want. So dye the armor green and use an ancient elf sword and shield.

nine9six

Still looks gangster.

Volkodav

Ommamar wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

As in Morrowind,glass should be a clear green.Since it was created in that game,I believe.Kind of like Superman's Kryptonite.

Well it wasn't created in Morrowind but since the first two games where first person view only the armor wasn't as noticeable in them you could definitely get glass in Daggerfall. Not sure about Arena as I only played the first dungeon when the Anthology came out.

I agree since it is made from Malachite it should have a basic greenish color, not a big deal though regarding armor as you can dye the color you like.

Ahh,..you are right.I should have made the distinction about being able to actually see your char with the Glass on. :}

Recremen

timidobserver wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dye_Station

We all appreciate your snark, of course, but we can't dye shields yet, and they don't have any plans right now to let us dye weapons. So this is not exceptionally helpful.

You can still get most of it green if that is what you want. So dye the armor green and use an ancient elf sword and shield.

I'm sure that's what a lot of people will be doing in the interim, but there's no reason not to let ZOS know that there was a minor design slip in the coloration. It's an iconic style with a long history and we know ZOS cares about fan expectations.

EDIT: Come to think of it, no, sword and shield is not the same thing as a staff weapon, your solution only works for an incredibly small subset of would-be glass motif users. Folks who want to use bows, maces, staves, etc. don't even have a glasslike option. Not to mention that we don't know what the new materials will do to weapons. They often cast a very red tint to it.

Rosveen

"Metallic items are often accented with a translucent greenish material called "glass." This is a sort of jade-like obsidian that Elven smiths have learned to work by secretive processes known only to the Altmer. Though rigid enough to take a superb edge when cool, glass can be made malleable enough to assume almost any form, and the High Elves use it extensively on ornamental arms and armor."
Racial Motifs 1: The High Elves

"The trickiest of all is Glass. Hammer blows struck across the grain run the risk of shattering the armor. It's principle [sic] ingredient is Malachite, although it also requires Moonstone to give it the right strength."
Light Armor Forging

Glass armor needs to be green by default, no doubt about it.

Ommamar wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

As in Morrowind,glass should be a clear green.Since it was created in that game,I believe.Kind of like Superman's Kryptonite.

Well it wasn't created in Morrowind but since the first two games where first person view only the armor wasn't as noticeable in them you could definitely get glass in Daggerfall. Not sure about Arena as I only played the first dungeon when the Anthology came out.

I agree since it is made from Malachite it should have a basic greenish color, not a big deal though regarding armor as you can dye the color you like.

There was no glass armor in Daggerfall or Arena. Daggerfall had malachite as an alchemy ingredient. Even so, you could clearly see your equipped armor in the character window.

Troneon

Thank you for your feedback, now please shut up, stop crafting in our game and go buy some costumes from our crown store.

usmcjdking

timidobserver wrote: »

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dye_Station

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_Dye_Station_Oh_Yeah_That_[snip]_Doesn't_Exist

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Troneon

usmcjdking wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dye_Station

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_Dye_Station_Oh_Yeah_That_[snip]_Doesn't_Exist

@usmcjdking
HAHA!


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starkerealm

Rosveen wrote: »

"Metallic items are often accented with a translucent greenish material called "glass." This is a sort of jade-like obsidian that Elven smiths have learned to work by secretive processes known only to the Altmer. Though rigid enough to take a superb edge when cool, glass can be made malleable enough to assume almost any form, and the High Elves use it extensively on ornamental arms and armor."
Racial Motifs 1: The High Elves

To be fair... and, if I'm remembering correctly, white and blue jade are a thing. Though, yeah, glass gear is supposed to be green in ESO.

kaithuzar

Can someone post more screenshots of what the armor actually looks like. It's not up on eso fashion yet & many would really like to see before they spend 120+ ingots/silk/leather on making that v16 item

Xendyn

kaithuzar wrote: »

Can someone post more screenshots of what the armor actually looks like. It's not up on eso fashion yet & many would really like to see before they spend 120+ ingots/silk/leather on making that v16 item

Looking for a specific thread but I did find this