Brenton or High Elf Magicka DPS NB, Which One?

Brantleyx

Looking for a definitive answer on which race would maximize high dps sustain AND burst. I'm looking to use only food buffs as increase in magicka pool = more power. And this is where the problem lies, Brenton = Bonuses in Magicka = Bigger - More Damage. But would the regen be there to run Tri-State food? High Elf = Insane regen apparently, Not even considering using a destruction staff so the elemental dmg is obsolete. But they have no bonuses in anything. Which is best?

algrife

well ofcourse high elf 10% max magicka same as breton but also get 9% more magicka regen which is superior to bretons 3% reduce cost

Brantleyx

algrife wrote: »

well ofcourse high elf 10% max magicka same as breton but also get 9% more magicka regen which is superior to bretons 3% reduce cost

Yeah that is the problem, Brenton's initially hit a little hard. Hear me out, You know the best race for a Stamina Nightblade is Imperial right (Right under woodelf for dodge roll)? Why, because imperial races receive "bonuses in stamina" = Bigger stamina pool = a little bit more damage. Same as a Brenton, They are the imperial race for magicka. As High elves' are the redguard race for magicka. But would that little extra damage be able to erase sustain?

chevalierknight

I asked sypher in his stream last night he said breton means you never run out of magic because light armour regen and cost reduction plus undunted passive

Defilted

I am not sure on the exact math but a % decrease to a number is always more than a % increase of the same value. This is why you will always see smaller numbers when it comes to reduction and larger numbers to the positive.



Here is a good explanation


For an explanation and examples of using percentages generally see our page Percentages: An Introduction. For more general percentage calculations see our page Percentage Calculators.

To calculate the percentage increase:
First: work out the difference (increase) between the two numbers you are comparing.

Increase = New Number - Original Number

Then: divide the increase by the original number and multiply the answer by 100.

% increase = Increase ÷ Original Number × 100.

If your answer is a negative number then this is a percentage decrease.


To calculate percentage decrease:
First: work out the difference (decrease) between the two numbers you are comparing.

Decrease = Original Number - New Number

Then: divide the decrease by the original number and multiply the answer by 100.

% Decrease = Decrease ÷ Original Number × 100

If your answer is a negative number then this is a percentage increase.

If you wish to calculate the percentage increase or decrease of several numbers then we recommend using the first formula. Positive values indicate a percentage increase whereas negative values indicate percentage decrease.

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Examples - Percentage Increase and Decrease
In January Dylan worked a total of 35 hours, in February he worked 45.5 hours – by what percentage did Dylan’s working hours increase in February?

To tackle this problem first we calculate the difference in hours between the new and old numbers. 45.5 - 35 hours = 10.5 hours. We can see that Dylan worked 10.5 hours more in February than he did in January – this is his increase. To work out the increase as a percentage it is now necessary to divide the increase by the original (January) number:

10.5 ÷ 35 = 0.3 (See our division page for instruction and examples of division.)

Finally, to get the percentage we multiply the answer by 100. This simply means moving the decimal place two columns to the right.

0.3 × 100 = 30

Dylan therefore worked 30% more hours in February than he did in January.

In March Dylan worked 35 hours again – the same as he did in January (or 100% of his January hours). What is the percentage difference between Dylan’s February hours (45.5) and his March hours (35)? You may think that as there was a 30% increase between Dylan’s January hours (35) and February (45.5) hours that there will be a 30% decrease between his February and March hours. This assumption is incorrect – let’s calculate the difference.

First calculate the decrease in hours, that is: 45.5 - 35 = 10.5

Then divide the decrease by the original number (February hours) so:

10.5 ÷ 45.5 = 0.23 (to two decimal places).

Finally multiply 0.23 by 100 to give 23%. Dylan’s hours were 23% lower in March than in February.

Sometimes it is easier to show percentage decrease as a negative number – to do this follow the formula above to calculate percentage increase – your answer will be a negative number if there was a decrease. In Dylan’s case the decrease works out at -15.5. -10.5 ÷ 45.5 = -0.23. -0.23 × 100 = -23%.

algrife

not really high elf has better sustain and more dmg high elf have same magicka pool as breton but with extra regen

Reeko

I always thought reduce cost was better than regen?

Sypher

If you plan to wear Light Armor, which you most likely will as a DPS Mana NB.

High Elf.

Both work great, but Regen>Reduction in most situations.

GNRNCSBLSS

Sypher wrote: »

If you plan to wear Light Armor, which you most likely will as a DPS Mana NB.

High Elf.

Both work great, but Regen>Reduction in most situations.

Is that actually true? I was reading some of what those insane theorycrafters were writing over at tamfoundry, and a couple of them had strenuously tested the results of having a higher stamina regen, and stamina cost reduction with their champion points and had eventually found that their DPS was marginally higher with stamina cost reduction.

Granted, this may only be the case with stamina and not magicka... but idk, i chose high elf either way.

chevalierknight

GNRNCSBLSS wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

If you plan to wear Light Armor, which you most likely will as a DPS Mana NB.

High Elf.

Both work great, but Regen>Reduction in most situations.

Is that actually true? I was reading some of what those insane theorycrafters were writing over at tamfoundry, and a couple of them had strenuously tested the results of having a higher stamina regen, and stamina cost reduction with their champion points and had eventually found that their DPS was marginally higher with stamina cost reduction.

Granted, this may only be the case with stamina and not magicka... but idk, i chose high elf either way.

Yes its regen>reduction bretons are the imp of magblades ask any streamer top3% of players and they all go imp for stamblades because max stat>reg>reduction

dwtdwtdwt

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal preference.

mcurley

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

Brantleyx

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal preference.

You run v10 epic Tri-stat food or Drinks? I specifically want to run Food buffs for the extra magicka which would mean more dmg right? Get back with me

mcurley wrote: »

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

If you don't mind me asking, How many champion points you working with? Cause allegedly it cost almost 24 CP to put into Magicka recovery to make up for Brenton's having cost reduction. But its better and cost less to be a High elf and put CP into cost reduction. So I'm split between that... Its little things, But in the end it can make or break a build.

chevalierknight

Brantleyx wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal preference.

You run v10 epic Tri-stat food or Drinks? I specifically want to run Food buffs for the extra magicka which would mean more dmg right? Get back with me

mcurley wrote: »

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

If you don't mind me asking, How many champion points you working with? Cause allegedly it cost almost 24 CP to put into Magicka recovery to make up for Brenton's having cost reduction. But its better and cost less to be a High elf and put CP into cost reduction. So I'm split between that... Its little things, But in the end it can make or break a build.

About the food it dont matter the next patch you can stack food with drink and they got buffed

Reeko

chevalierknight wrote: »

Brantleyx wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal preference.

You run v10 epic Tri-stat food or Drinks? I specifically want to run Food buffs for the extra magicka which would mean more dmg right? Get back with me

mcurley wrote: »

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

If you don't mind me asking, How many champion points you working with? Cause allegedly it cost almost 24 CP to put into Magicka recovery to make up for Brenton's having cost reduction. But its better and cost less to be a High elf and put CP into cost reduction. So I'm split between that... Its little things, But in the end it can make or break a build.

About the food it dont matter the next patch you can stack food with drink and they got buffed

Where does it say food and drink will stack? I'm not trying to start an argument, just curious because i don't see it in the pts patch notes. If it's true that is geat! But i just don't believe it.

Sypher

GNRNCSBLSS wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

If you plan to wear Light Armor, which you most likely will as a DPS Mana NB.

High Elf.

Both work great, but Regen>Reduction in most situations.

Is that actually true? I was reading some of what those insane theorycrafters were writing over at tamfoundry, and a couple of them had strenuously tested the results of having a higher stamina regen, and stamina cost reduction with their champion points and had eventually found that their DPS was marginally higher with stamina cost reduction.

Granted, this may only be the case with stamina and not magicka... but idk, i chose high elf either way.

Speaking from a purely PvP perspective. Regen (most of the times) > Reduction. As for max stat vs regen/reduction that's a different ball game all together that would take me a while to explain.

jebuspowers

I would say if you're rolling magicka you should go high elf. Honestly, there isn't a lot of cost reduction except for jewelry. On the other hand there are passives and potions etc for regen. This means the racial passives will be cumulative with what is already available in the game. Besides of you think about it regen is always active whereas cost reduction only applies to when actually using abilities. So in those times where you have to run, dodge, block, or break free you are gaining magicka.

LegacyDM

What about dark elf? You get 9% increased magicka and 7% increased fire damage. You'll find at end game if your running light armor build that you really don't need regeneration or cost reduction of Breton/altmer, if you min max magicka and invest in cps. Dark elf gives you more damage and allows opportunity to be vamp which gives you 5% magicka regen and speed boost. Just food for thought. I'm running a funnel health + heavy fire staff magicka build and its freakin awsome.

chevalierknight

Reeko wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Brantleyx wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal preference.

You run v10 epic Tri-stat food or Drinks? I specifically want to run Food buffs for the extra magicka which would mean more dmg right? Get back with me

mcurley wrote: »

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

If you don't mind me asking, How many champion points you working with? Cause allegedly it cost almost 24 CP to put into Magicka recovery to make up for Brenton's having cost reduction. But its better and cost less to be a High elf and put CP into cost reduction. So I'm split between that... Its little things, But in the end it can make or break a build.

About the food it dont matter the next patch you can stack food with drink and they got buffed

Where does it say food and drink will stack? I'm not trying to start an argument, just curious because i don't see it in the pts patch notes. If it's true that is geat! But i just don't believe it.

Its in the dev part of the forum called provison revamp you could have use the search box

jebuspowers

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

What about dark elf? You get 9% increased magicka and 7% increased fire damage. You'll find at end game if your running light armor build that you really don't need regeneration or cost reduction of Breton/altmer, if you min max magicka and invest in cps. Dark elf gives you more damage and allows opportunity to be vamp which gives you 5% magicka regen and speed boost. Just food for thought. I'm running a funnel health + heavy fire staff magicka build and its freakin awsome.

Sounds like you figured out an interesting build. I like builds that are outside the box as long as they work. It's nice this game didn't really have cookie cutter archetypes.

Reeko

chevalierknight wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Brantleyx wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal preference.

You run v10 epic Tri-stat food or Drinks? I specifically want to run Food buffs for the extra magicka which would mean more dmg right? Get back with me

mcurley wrote: »

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

If you don't mind me asking, How many champion points you working with? Cause allegedly it cost almost 24 CP to put into Magicka recovery to make up for Brenton's having cost reduction. But its better and cost less to be a High elf and put CP into cost reduction. So I'm split between that... Its little things, But in the end it can make or break a build.

About the food it dont matter the next patch you can stack food with drink and they got buffed

Where does it say food and drink will stack? I'm not trying to start an argument, just curious because i don't see it in the pts patch notes. If it's true that is geat! But i just don't believe it.

Its in the dev part of the forum called provison revamp you could have use the search box

Nope. That thread is from last year and nowhere does it say food and drink will stack again next patch. Please post a link. Unless you are talking about Psijic Ambrosia in which case yes, that stacks with a food or drink buff.

chevalierknight

Reeko wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Brantleyx wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I've been playing a Breton magicka NB for a while. I friggin' love it. I NEVER run out of magicka- not even close. The burst (ambush/concealed weapon/soul harvest) is still there, and I can cloak for days. Using gear sets like Seducer and Warlock will greatly reduce spell cost while boosting regeneration. Not to mention Breton just look cooler than H.Elves.

But if you're looking for a definitive answer, I don't think there is one. I think both will perform at the maximum level for a magicka NB. The question may come down to personal 0preference.

You run v10 epic Tri-stat food or Drinks? I specifically want to run Food buffs for the extra magicka which would mean more dmg right? Get back with me

mcurley wrote: »

I have both and can't feel the difference between them. They both hit hard and never run out of magicka.

If you don't mind me asking, How many champion points you working with? Cause allegedly it cost almost 24 CP to put into Magicka recovery to make up for Brenton's having cost reduction. But its better and cost less to be a High elf and put CP into cost reduction. So I'm split between that... Its little things, But in the end it can make or break a build.

About the food it dont matter the next patch you can stack food with drink and they got buffed

Where does it say food and drink will stack? I'm not trying to start an argument, just curious because i don't see it in the pts patch notes. If it's true that is geat! But i just don't believe it.

Its in the dev part of the forum called provison revamp you could have use the search box

Nope. That thread is from last year and nowhere does it say food and drink will stack again next patch. Please post a link. Unless you are talking about Psijic Ambrosia in which case yes, that stacks with a food or drink buff.

What ever you say bro

Brantleyx

So "bonuses in magicka", What does that mean? As an Imperial has the same attribute - "bonuses in stamina". Nobody never addressed that, Does this mean more damage?

WyldfireWyrm

Racial passives for both Breton and High Elf support magicka builds. Spell cost reduction, max magicka, and magicka regeneration are all great traits.

Brantleyx

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

Racial passives for both Breton and High Elf support magicka builds. Spell cost reduction, max magicka, and magicka regeneration are all great traits.

"bonuses in magicka" what does it mean.

Sirbu3ll3r

Just out of interest would a khajiit be remotely viable as a mag nb?

Brantleyx

Sirbu3ll3r wrote: »

Just out of interest would a khajiit be remotely viable as a mag nb?

That's a very interesting question, I've seen only two people out my entire time on XBL (And I run pvp alot) who has converted to magicka. Right now, I think you can get away with anything - Such as a Khajit magicka nightblade; But come imperial city update I don't think so. In my opinion the damage out put wouldn't overcome the damage nerf and the new gear.

olsborg

algrife wrote: »

well ofcourse high elf 10% max magicka same as breton but also get 9% more magicka regen which is superior to bretons 3% reduce cost

and if you ever decide to go destruction staff, you get more dmg from high elf passive too..

Reeko

I honostly don't see the big deal with racial being an issue. Would a Khajiit be remotely viable? It has two arms and legs right? You can equip the same armor and weapons can't you? As long as you know how to play this game race should not matter imo.

Incase anyone is interested, yes i play a Khajiit magblade lol

Sirbu3ll3r

Khajiit nb just makes sense to me don't know why

jebuspowers

Khajiit is supposed to be stealthyand I think it's natural crit bonus is only for weapon critical. I'm not completely sure but I don't think the crit bonus applies to spells, in which case a high elf or Breton would be better. Between those 2 I'm not sure. I would say Breton for the resistance.