Any Windows 10 Users Notice a Big Difference in ESO with the Latest Build?
Wily_Wizard
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They claim here a 330% benchmark improvement with the latest rendition of DX-12, just wondering if that performance gain improved performance in ESO?
http://wccftech.com/directx-12-draw-calls-330-3-year-gtx-670/
(I'm still a few days out from installing Windows 10, just curious how some of the early adapters are getting along with Windows 10 + ESO)
HEADS UP for anyone installing Windows 10 Preview!
BEFORE you start the Windows 10 install, you may want to check your Bios Boot Settings 1st.
NOTE: If you are planning to install ONLY Windows 10 on your PC, then you shouldn't have issues. BUT, if you intend to dual boot Windows 10 with Windows 7/8, then THESE SETTINGS may be crucial to insure your PC boots properly.
Edited by Wily_Wizard on May 29, 2015 6:04PM http://wccftech.com/directx-12-draw-calls-330-3-year-gtx-670/
(I'm still a few days out from installing Windows 10, just curious how some of the early adapters are getting along with Windows 10 + ESO)
HEADS UP for anyone installing Windows 10 Preview!
BEFORE you start the Windows 10 install, you may want to check your Bios Boot Settings 1st.
NOTE: If you are planning to install ONLY Windows 10 on your PC, then you shouldn't have issues. BUT, if you intend to dual boot Windows 10 with Windows 7/8, then THESE SETTINGS may be crucial to insure your PC boots properly.
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Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is not built using DX-12....... so I do not think it will take full advantage of it.3 -
Wily_Wizard✭✭✭ESO is not built using DX-12....... so I do not think it will take full advantage of it.
That's my guess too, just wondering. Most of the stuff I read seems that there will be at least some improvements even on DX11 games, since DX12 is backwardly compatible to DX11, some of the benefits by just using DX12 look promising.0 -
Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont even think ESO is made using DX11 lol I think they are using DX9. never looked into it though so dont quote me on that :P yet it would not surprise me2 -
Wily_Wizard✭✭✭I dont even think ESO is made using DX11 lol I think they are using DX9. never looked into it though so dont quote me on that :P yet it would not surprise me
They are using DX11 or DX9 from what I understand.1 -
ohheynix✭I've been running Windows 10 for a few weeks now, and there's not really any huge difference to me at least. Just updated to Windows 10 Test Preview Build 10074 and the game runs well, however there is a small/major bug that will SOMETIMES cause the computer to become completely unresponsive if I leave the game for longer than 15 minutes and the screen shuts off. Also I do get random crashes, but this is maybe 1-2 a day. The game was made with DX9 and DX11, so I don't think there's any benefit to DX12.0
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Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've been running Windows 10 for a few weeks now, and there's not really any huge difference to me at least. Just updated to Windows 10 Test Preview Build 10074 and the game runs well, however there is a small/major bug that will SOMETIMES cause the computer to become completely unresponsive if I leave the game for longer than 15 minutes and the screen shuts off. Also I do get random crashes, but this is maybe 1-2 a day. The game was made with DX9 and DX11, so I don't think there's any benefit to DX12.
thats good to know then
There was a game, forgot which one, but TWO engineers revamped the game to DX12 and it looked much better than the DX11 version(both still good looking). If only ESO could do something like that. P.S. it took 6 weeks to port the game....
EDIT: Found it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV9aa_12Ap0
Edited by Gorthax on May 27, 2015 4:27PM2 -
flintstone✭✭✭I have been running the game on windows 10 for a few months now and have had very few problems, no more than I had on windows 8.1 or windows 7.
I run max settings and probably average around 75 fps (gtx-980) (i7-4790) (27 inch screen/1080). Of course this is in PVE and I haven't taken this newer computer to PVP yet.
Geforce has an windows 10 beta driver out and that is what I am using.Edited by flintstone on May 27, 2015 5:26PM1 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ran win10 for a while but am one of those where they lose the dvd burner unless you have a dvd in it on bootup. As far as ESO goes only problems I had on win10 was what happens in win7 and win8.1 and it all pointed toward addons.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Endurance✭✭✭
there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL insteadI'm outta here3 -
Wily_Wizard✭✭✭flintstone wrote: »I have been running the game on windows 10 for a few months now and have had very few problems, no more than I had on windows 8.1 or windows 7.
I run max settings and probably average around 75 fps (gtx-980) (i7-4790) (27 inch screen/1080). Of course this is in PVE and I haven't taken this newer computer to PVP yet.
Geforce has an windows 10 beta driver out and that is what I am using.
I've been having terrible luck with Windows 7, so I'm hoping I'll get a little ESO love from Win10.0 -
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there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
How well does openSUSE run ESO?1 -
Sunver✭✭✭there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
Well there must be something wrong with Linux if its so good, free and still has <1% of the market. Valve tried to fix that with porting the games to Linux, but no success there.
Linux is for programmers. Programmers are the elite of computer users and therefore as elite arent that many. Thats why Linux will never get even close to 5% of the market. When it gets there its not proper Linux anymore.
Edited by Sunver on May 27, 2015 6:33PMWhen I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!2 -
Wily_Wizard✭✭✭In a few days I'll have my PC setup to dual boot Win10/Win7, and both installations will have ESO on identical hardware, so I definitely post any measured differences I can find...good or bad.Edited by Wily_Wizard on May 27, 2015 6:36PM0
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭
there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
For me, there was a noticeable difference going from Win 7 to Win 10TP in terms of responsiveness and disk usage. However, I don't see or feel much difference going from Win 8.1 to Win 10TP.
It's hard to believe that Microsoft will be officially releasing Win 10 in a couple of months. The os seems to work fine but the ui is still flat and ugly. Still I will be one of the many millions of other PC users who will be converting to Win 10 at launch. Third party software vendors had better be ready.
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Raider43Soul ShrivenI've noticed that things have been after at an operating system level but I really haven't noticed much of a difference while in-game.0 -
nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
Well there must be something wrong with Linux if its so good, free and still has <1% of the market. Valve tried to fix that with porting the games to Linux, but no success there.
Linux is for programmers. Programmers are the elite of computer users and therefore as elite arent that many. Thats why Linux will never get even close to 5% of the market. When it gets there its not proper Linux anymore.
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david31741✭✭there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
Well there must be something wrong with Linux if its so good, free and still has <1% of the market. Valve tried to fix that with porting the games to Linux, but no success there.
Linux is for programmers. Programmers are the elite of computer users and therefore as elite arent that many. Thats why Linux will never get even close to 5% of the market. When it gets there its not proper Linux anymore.
If you are talking desktop OS - sure - but in the last 10 years Linux has made huge gains in market share of IT Infrastructure and... Linux runs almost everything these days.
Least cost and high reliability = Linux.Adrianne Avenicci - Warmaiden of Whiterun
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Sunver✭✭✭david31741 wrote: »there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
Well there must be something wrong with Linux if its so good, free and still has <1% of the market. Valve tried to fix that with porting the games to Linux, but no success there.
Linux is for programmers. Programmers are the elite of computer users and therefore as elite arent that many. Thats why Linux will never get even close to 5% of the market. When it gets there its not proper Linux anymore.
If you are talking desktop OS - sure - but in the last 10 years Linux has made huge gains in market share of IT Infrastructure and... Linux runs almost everything these days.
Least cost and high reliability = Linux.
Of course I was talking about Desktops. Show me a user using professional computer cluster for daily work
I never said that Linux is not a good system.
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭Lol I intentionally bought Windows 7 when I built this computer last year because I absolutely hate the Windows 8 UI. I'd imagine the Win 10 UI is just as horrible3
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BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol I intentionally bought Windows 7 when I built this computer last year because I absolutely hate the Windows 8 UI. I'd imagine the Win 10 UI is just as horrible
Win8.1 did away with that UI, it is more of a win7 UI now with a few differences. The way I get it we will use Win10 for a year then after that we will have to pay to keep getting the updates.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭Lol I intentionally bought Windows 7 when I built this computer last year because I absolutely hate the Windows 8 UI. I'd imagine the Win 10 UI is just as horrible
Win8.1 did away with that UI, it is more of a win7 UI now with a few differences. The way I get it we will use Win10 for a year then after that we will have to pay to keep getting the updates.
Interesting, well I guess when I upgrade my OS in a few years I'll have to reconsider.0 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭Lol I intentionally bought Windows 7 when I built this computer last year because I absolutely hate the Windows 8 UI. I'd imagine the Win 10 UI is just as horrible
You can always disable the Metro/Modern ui. One good reason to upgrade to 8.1 or 10 is security. The older os may be less resilient to present day attacks.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/cybertrust/2015/05/19/latest-data-shows-newer-versions-of-windows-have-lower-malware-infection-rates-than-older-versions/
I'm certain that Microsoft wouldn't make this up just to sell more copies of 8.1, right?
Anyway, they are giving away Win 10 free to licensed Win 7 and 8.x users. 0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Lol I intentionally bought Windows 7 when I built this computer last year because I absolutely hate the Windows 8 UI. I'd imagine the Win 10 UI is just as horrible
You can always disable the Metro/Modern ui. One good reason to upgrade to 8.1 or 10 is security. The older os may be less resilient to present day attacks.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/cybertrust/2015/05/19/latest-data-shows-newer-versions-of-windows-have-lower-malware-infection-rates-than-older-versions/
I'm certain that Microsoft wouldn't make this up just to sell more copies of 8.1, right? Anyway, they are giving away Win 10 free to licensed Win 7 and 8.x users.
I'm sure it is a little more secure, but until Win 7 goes End of Life or I upgrade my computer it probably isn't worth the hassle to do a reinstall. Glad to hear they ditched that horrible UI, though.1 -
david31741✭✭david31741 wrote: »there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
Well there must be something wrong with Linux if its so good, free and still has <1% of the market. Valve tried to fix that with porting the games to Linux, but no success there.
Linux is for programmers. Programmers are the elite of computer users and therefore as elite arent that many. Thats why Linux will never get even close to 5% of the market. When it gets there its not proper Linux anymore.
If you are talking desktop OS - sure - but in the last 10 years Linux has made huge gains in market share of IT Infrastructure and... Linux runs almost everything these days.
Least cost and high reliability = Linux.
Of course I was talking about Desktops. Show me a user using professional computer cluster for daily work
I never said that Linux is not a good system.
My main point is that it is not less than 1% of market share - its taken over large chunks of Windows environments and runs most everything around you. Gaming desktop - sure - the real money is in the infra that is being replaced with Linux.Adrianne Avenicci - Warmaiden of Whiterun
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Win 8 and 8.1 have been great, and I am looking forward to 10's release. DX11 titles may see some gains just by running under the DX12 environment, though obviously as already said the majority of the gains will at least need to be retargeted for by individual titles and that can vary in complexity as to realizing small to large improvements.
I sincerely hope to see ZOS at least begin targeting towards DX12 as soon as possible, given the well-known (and typical, for MMORPG titles in large player count environments) CPU bottlenecks and overhead ESO has, which DX12 is designed to help address. Cards as far back as the GTX 460 will gain from the DX12 API, so it'll cover the vast majority of gamers. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on May 27, 2015 8:34PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭✭david31741 wrote: »david31741 wrote: »there is absolutely no benefit from going windows 7/8.1 to windows 10.. its the same crappy NTFS partition with slow multitasking capability, and explorer is still lame as hell, comparable to a real operating system like RPM-based openSUSE with ext4, the performance is FAR better though u wont have DX9~12 support it would be Mesa/OpenGL instead
Well there must be something wrong with Linux if its so good, free and still has <1% of the market. Valve tried to fix that with porting the games to Linux, but no success there.
Linux is for programmers. Programmers are the elite of computer users and therefore as elite arent that many. Thats why Linux will never get even close to 5% of the market. When it gets there its not proper Linux anymore.
If you are talking desktop OS - sure - but in the last 10 years Linux has made huge gains in market share of IT Infrastructure and... Linux runs almost everything these days.
Least cost and high reliability = Linux.
Of course I was talking about Desktops. Show me a user using professional computer cluster for daily work
I never said that Linux is not a good system.
My main point is that it is not less than 1% of market share - its taken over large chunks of Windows environments and runs most everything around you. Gaming desktop - sure - the real money is in the infra that is being replaced with Linux.
Year of the Linux Desktop: Coming soon(tm) since 1985.
It isn't a suitable replacement for the vast majority of users to this day, and so Windows continues to rule the roost. Why replace what works extremely well already?-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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flintstone✭✭✭Lol I intentionally bought Windows 7 when I built this computer last year because I absolutely hate the Windows 8 UI. I'd imagine the Win 10 UI is just as horrible
I beta tested all 3 and still have all three on different computers. Windows 10 is far better than 7 or 8.1 in my opinion.....I like it........(so far).
I've also played around with all the big name Linux distros over the years......(at least the ones on Distro watch site). I liked a lot of them.
I liked W-7, did not like W-8/8.1 because of the ui..........and I like W-10 best of all (The ui is kind of a cross between the best parts of 7/8.1)........and it's much smarter.
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Unless it has Windows 8/8.1. I hate that UI.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Wily_Wizard✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Win 8 and 8.1 have been great, and I am looking forward to 10's release. DX11 titles may see some gains just by running under the DX12 environment, though obviously as already said the majority of the gains will at least need to be retargeted for by individual titles and that can vary in complexity as to realizing small to large improvements.
I sincerely hope to see ZOS at least begin targeting towards DX12 as soon as possible, given the well-known (and typical, for MMORPG titles in large player count environments) CPU bottlenecks and overhead ESO has, which DX12 is designed to help address. Cards as far back as the GTX 460 will gain from the DX12 API, so it'll cover the vast majority of gamers.
I agree completely. It would be a complete waste if ESO didn't make the move to DX12. That 330% gain should be all the bean counters at ESO need to see to make the decision too. I mean it would surely expand the user base as it will essentially lower the minimum requirements to play the game. A lot more laptop users jump onboard, and even SP3 users will actually be able to get more engaged in the game.
Obviously every game wouldn't see a 300% + gain, it would depend on the extent the developers reworked the game, but at least there is a huge potential there just waiting begging to be used.
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