Ultimates - Only Elemental/Magic Damage type + only working with Spellpenetration. WTB Stamina love

Alcast

Most if not all Ultimates do either have Elemental or Magical Damage type. I know at the start of ESO all ultimates were Magicka based. Though a while ago they got changed so the damage scales of the higher stat(magicka/Spelldmg or stamina/weapondmg). It should also switch to physical damage once it scales of Stamina/weapon damage

1. Why do I as Stamina build have to put points into Elemental expert or Thaumaturge to increase the damage of my Ulti? All my points are either in Mighty which ofc incrases physical damage or Piercing armor for more armor penetration.

Then here is the armor/spell pene thingy. All ultimates work only with Spellpenetration.

2. Why do I as Stamina build have to put points into Spellpenetarion skills and I am not nearly able to get the same spllpenetration as a Magicka build. Why is it not armor penetration?

Here a picture to check my ult. Only did test it with this but as others are all Ele/magic damage it is probably the same.


First Hit with the 33% extra dmg on Fronttarget does not Increase damage at all with Armor/Spell resistance debuff

Sb else noticed that and did some tests?

So my guess is it should be smth like that:

Higher Magicka/Spelldmg= Elemental/Magical Damage type + Spellpenetration

Higher Stamina/Armor pene= Physical Damage type + Armorpenetration


@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please tell us if this works as intended or is it being worked on?

Here are all affected skills:

Those Skills/Ultis all Work with Elemental/Magicka/Poison damage+Spellpenetration+CP Apprentice.
They are All used from STAMINA chars, but let me explain why it does not favour stamina builds.

Problem with those skills/Ultis as STAMINA BUILD:
1. Those skills work ONLY with Spellpenetration and NOT Armorpenetration.
2. Can not boost dmg with Mighty(+physical dmg) in The Ritual(for Stamina builds), have to use CP in The Apprentice(magicka builds) to boost those things. Means only Magicka builds profit, not Stamina builds.

Templars skills

DK skills

Sorc Skills

Nightblade

danno8

What is also strange in that screenshot is that Crescent Sweep (presumably this was a mob in front of you and so got the extra 33% damage "Crescent Sweep" hit) seems to scale from both the armour debuff, and equally the sp. res. debuff.

Alcast

danno8 wrote: »

What is also strange in that screenshot is that Crescent Sweep (presumably this was a mob in front of you and so got the extra 33% damage "Crescent Sweep" hit) seems to scale from both the armour debuff, and equally the sp. res. debuff.

I noticed that aswell, first hit does same damage, but the ticks seem to work only will reduced spellresistance, no freaking clue why because its all magic damage, or maybe it is "0" type and it gets increased dmg from both?

Lazyness

You're right and it sucks.

as far as i know, this is also the case with the VS head+shoulder.
and I agree, as a stamina based DD, you should not have to put points in spell pen or something.

And in case ZoS is reading this, I would also like to address that it's 100% BS that i should equip dual wield on my DK mage for more spell dmg.

EgoRush

Huh I didn't even notice this issue. I should pay attention to stamina builds more now my stam DK is practically ready. It's very strange that the initial hit of Crescent Sweep is affected by both armour and spell resistance debuffs, but the pulses after are only affected by spell resistance. Did you definitely hit the enemy face on for the bonus damage in all cases?

I'd be keen to test this with other ultimates - is only the first hit affected by armour penetration?

Alcast

EgoRush wrote: »

Huh I didn't even notice this issue. I should pay attention to stamina builds more now my stam DK is practically ready. It's very strange that the initial hit of Crescent Sweep is affected by both armour and spell resistance debuffs, but the pulses after are only affected by spell resistance. Did you definitely hit the enemy face on for the bonus damage in all cases?

I'd be keen to test this with other ultimates - is only the first hit affected by armour penetration?

hm good point, maybe the bosses hitbox stood "behind" me although the mob was infront of me, will test it again to doublecheck, looks like the 33% didnt work that could be it.

R0M2K

Include Lethal arrow / Poison arrow / Poison injection in that weirdiness wacky game mechanics...

Alcast

Seems the 33% dmg bonus didnt get applied, so NO debuff gives me the same. Means first hit does NOT benefit from armor/Spell resistance debuff

R0M2K wrote: »

Include Lethal arrow / Poison arrow / Poison injection in that weirdiness wacky game mechanics...

I will do a List with cskills that make no sense where they are now soon

Daveheart

Just curious, where did you test this?

Alcast

Daveheart wrote: »

Just curious, where did you test this?

Scorpion Boss in Belkarth which is supposed to have same spell/armor resist as Mantikore

Alcast

Those Skills/Ultis all Work with Elemental/Magicka/Poison damage+Spellpenetration+CP Apprentice.
They are All used from STAMINA chars, but let me explain why it does not favour stamina builds.

Problem with those skills/Ultis as STAMINA BUILD:
1. Those skills work ONLY with Spellpenetration and NOT Armorpenetration.
2. Can not boost dmg with Mighty(+physical dmg) in The Ritual(for Stamina builds), have to use CP in The Apprentice(magicka builds) to boost those things. Means only Magicka builds profit, not Stamina builds.

Templars skills

DK skills

Sorc Skills

Nightblade



Those "scars" are still back from ESO Launch where all those Classabilities/Ulties used to scale only of Magicka. In ESO 1.3(iirc?) it was changed so Ultis scale of higher stat either stamina/weapdmg or magicka/spelldmg. In 1.6 Some of the skills got stamina morphs(which is great) but also still scars from ESO launch, all those abilities have Elemental/magicka damage type and only work with Spellpenetration.

Please fix it ZOS Thank you!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober

Alcast

This will be my Feedback/Bugreport from now on till they aknowledge the issue.

Problem with Stamina morph skills and Elemental/Magic damage type Ultis as STAMINA BUILD:
1. Those skills work ONLY with Spellpenetration and NOT Armorpenetration.
3. Alll Ulties are Elemental or Magic damage type (except Take flight is physical)
2. Can not boost dmg with Mighty(+physical dmg) in The Ritual(for Stamina builds), have to use CP in The Apprentice(Magicka builds) to boost those things. Means only Magicka builds profit, not Stamina builds.

Here a list of affected Skills/Ultis:
Templar:
Radial Sweep(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Nova(+both morphs) = Magic Damage

Dragonknight:
Dragonknight Standard(+both morphs) = Fire Damage
Magma Armor(+both morphs) = Fire Damage
Unstable Flame(Stamina Morph) = Fire Damage
Burning Breath(Stamina Morph) = Fire Damage

Sorc:
Overload(+both morphs) = Shock Damage
Summon Storm Attronarch(+both morphs) = Shock Damage

Nightblade:
Soul Shred(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Consuming Darkness(+both morphs)= Magic Damage
Death Stroke(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Killers Balde(Stamina Morph) = Magic Damage
Power Extraction(Stamina Morph) = Magic Damage

Non-Class Ultis/Skills:
Soul Strike(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Dawnbreaker(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Expert Hunter(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Ice Comet = Cold damage
Shooting Star = Fire Damage


WTB Stamina Love


Can somebody comfirm that Unstable Flame and Burning breath are using Spellpenetration or Armor penetration?

LouBloom

Alcast wrote: »

Most if not all Ultimates do either have Elemental or Magical Damage type. I know at the start of ESO all ultimates were Magicka based. Though a while ago they got changed so the damage scales of the higher stat(magicka/Spelldmg or stamina/weapondmg). It should also switch to physical damage once it scales of Stamina/weapon damage

1. Why do I as Stamina build have to put points into Elemental expert or Thaumaturge to increase the damage of my Ulti? All my points are either in Mighty which ofc incrases physical damage or Piercing armor for more armor penetration.

Then here is the armor/spell pene thingy. All ultimates work only with Spellpenetration.

2. Why do I as Stamina build have to put points into Spellpenetarion skills and I am not nearly able to get the same spllpenetration as a Magicka build. Why is it not armor penetration?

Here a picture to check my ult. Only did test it with this but as others are all Ele/magic damage it is probably the same.


First Hit with the 33% extra dmg on Fronttarget does not Increase damage at all with Armor/Spell resistance debuff

Sb else noticed that and did some tests?

So my guess is it should be smth like that:

Higher Magicka/Spelldmg= Elemental/Magical Damage type + Spellpenetration

Higher Stamina/Armor pene= Physical Damage type + Armorpenetration


@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please tell us if this works as intended or is it being worked on?

Here are all affected skills:

Those Skills/Ultis all Work with Elemental/Magicka/Poison damage+Spellpenetration+CP Apprentice.
They are All used from STAMINA chars, but let me explain why it does not favour stamina builds.

Problem with those skills/Ultis as STAMINA BUILD:
1. Those skills work ONLY with Spellpenetration and NOT Armorpenetration.
2. Can not boost dmg with Mighty(+physical dmg) in The Ritual(for Stamina builds), have to use CP in The Apprentice(magicka builds) to boost those things. Means only Magicka builds profit, not Stamina builds.

Templars skills

DK skills

Sorc Skills

Nightblade

Working on? @ZOS_GinaBruno @Alcast

Alcast

LouBloom wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Most if not all Ultimates do either have Elemental or Magical Damage type. I know at the start of ESO all ultimates were Magicka based. Though a while ago they got changed so the damage scales of the higher stat(magicka/Spelldmg or stamina/weapondmg). It should also switch to physical damage once it scales of Stamina/weapon damage

1. Why do I as Stamina build have to put points into Elemental expert or Thaumaturge to increase the damage of my Ulti? All my points are either in Mighty which ofc incrases physical damage or Piercing armor for more armor penetration.

Then here is the armor/spell pene thingy. All ultimates work only with Spellpenetration.

2. Why do I as Stamina build have to put points into Spellpenetarion skills and I am not nearly able to get the same spllpenetration as a Magicka build. Why is it not armor penetration?

Here a picture to check my ult. Only did test it with this but as others are all Ele/magic damage it is probably the same.


First Hit with the 33% extra dmg on Fronttarget does not Increase damage at all with Armor/Spell resistance debuff

Sb else noticed that and did some tests?

So my guess is it should be smth like that:

Higher Magicka/Spelldmg= Elemental/Magical Damage type + Spellpenetration

Higher Stamina/Armor pene= Physical Damage type + Armorpenetration


@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please tell us if this works as intended or is it being worked on?

Here are all affected skills:

Those Skills/Ultis all Work with Elemental/Magicka/Poison damage+Spellpenetration+CP Apprentice.
They are All used from STAMINA chars, but let me explain why it does not favour stamina builds.

Problem with those skills/Ultis as STAMINA BUILD:
1. Those skills work ONLY with Spellpenetration and NOT Armorpenetration.
2. Can not boost dmg with Mighty(+physical dmg) in The Ritual(for Stamina builds), have to use CP in The Apprentice(magicka builds) to boost those things. Means only Magicka builds profit, not Stamina builds.

Templars skills

DK skills

Sorc Skills

Nightblade

Working on? @ZOS_GinaBruno @Alcast

ZOS keeps ignoring this. So not sure if it being worked on or not