It is my great pleasure to now unsubscribe for the second time.

olemanwinter

Note: not a goodbye thread. I will still play. I plan to visit the pvp lagfest no less than once every 60 days or so!!

I was here at launch. And we all know what this game was like at launch. So after about 2 months I left before eventually coming back. I've still been around enough I got my striped tiger....and I'm currently a 90 day subscriber. For about 10 more minutes.

(no you can't have my stuff cause I'll still play some maybe....just not paying anymore...at all)

I won't buy your crown store junk and I wont buy any content expansions (as if they will ever exist).

After having trouble looting dungeons with my VR1 character I filled out a support ticket. After which, no matter what I said or did I received either the same form letter over and over again, or finally someone paraphrasing it.

They said,

"The reason you are not getting any loot is because you are completing dungeons with much higher level characters. If you complete the dungeons with characters in and around your own level, the loot will be available to all players and distributed evenly."

So, this is my final email back to ESO:

This is NOT the case for the other players. The higher VR players are getting an easier dungeon AND are the same number of levels away from the lower characters.


If two VR2 players and two VR8 players due a VR2 SCALED INSTANCE.....the VR2s are unable to loot but the VR8s are able to loot every boss and get the dungeon helms.

So, a VR14 can get loot in a dungeon by grouping with ANY players with the dungeon scaled to ANY level, but a VR1 character can only loot the bosses if the BOTH the dungeon and other players are very close in level range?

This is why it's impossible to find a lower VR rank group. This is why everyone feels rushed to get to VR14. This is why everyone feels like they have to keep grinding even as you nerf every form of grinding you can find. This is why everyone HATES the Veteran Ranks and many people hate ESO.

I'm logging into my account to unsubscribe right now.



TLDR: I cannot STAND the thought of grinding up to VR14 more characters in the face of their constant nerfing of grinding. Meanwhile it's impossible to find a competent group (if any group at all) of VR1-4 players. It's impossible to get ANY LOOT from a dungeon if you take 1 single player of a higher VR, even if the dungeon is scaled to your level (tried it with 3 VR2s and 1 VR7 in a VR2 dungeon.....all 3 VR2s were unable to loot any bosses). And while were on the subject, you can't compete in PvP with all the min/max set combinations largely unavailable until max VR.

If you know of any other MMOs without a cartoon look, let me know before this thread gets moved, I get banned, etc.

Heromofo

BuggeX

send Gold and stuff to me ingame pls

btw, try out WOW, i heard it should be the best game Eva!!11111!!!

leshpar

Huh, I was wondering why, when I did a pledge on my VR2 main (I am new to the game) that I didn't get loot off 3 of the 4 bosses. Its because my dps were both V10 and V8. Ok, lesson learned. Don't group with people over V6 till I gain another level.

Why is it this way? I should still be able to get loot.

olemanwinter

leshpar wrote: »

Huh, I was wondering why, when I did a pledge on my VR2 main (I am new to the game) that I didn't get loot off 3 of the 4 bosses. Its because my dps were both V10 and V8. Ok, lesson learned. Don't group with people over V6 till I gain another level.

Why is it this way? I should still be able to get loot.

Good luck. They won't say specifically that it's 4 levels. Might be 5. Might be 2.

bottom line is that nobody wants to do anything but grind up to VR14. And so you can't group...and you can't loot.

And I can't take the grind anymore. Done with this.

BuggeX

did you allready send me your Gold and stuff? cant see nothing, mby postmann get lost in cyro....

olemanwinter

BuggeX wrote: »

did you allready send me your Gold and stuff? cant see nothing, mby postmann get lost in cyro....

Well,

1) Since you are asking....you clearly didn't read the whole OP.

2) I sent it...probably got lost in the mail. Just another ESO bug. Shocking I know.

Heromofo

Ole if you ever change your mind follow us to console

BuggeX

olemanwinter wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

did you allready send me your Gold and stuff? cant see nothing, mby postmann get lost in cyro....

Well,

1) Since you are asking....you clearly didn't read the whole OP.

2) I sent it...probably got lost in the mail. Just another ESO bug. Shocking I know.

i did, twice,

mimim
mimimi
mimim

im done

imim
mimim
mimim

looking for other mmo

2) well ***, gona search him in cyro....wath was your home camp?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I havent paid them since the b2p conversion. Why should I pay for a game that is being ignored. Its not bad for free but def not worth a sub at this time.

Raash

leshpar wrote: »

Huh, I was wondering why, when I did a pledge on my VR2 main (I am new to the game) that I didn't get loot off 3 of the 4 bosses. Its because my dps were both V10 and V8. Ok, lesson learned. Don't group with people over V6 till I gain another level.

Why is it this way? I should still be able to get loot.

You really need to ask why? Here is a hint: S-T-U-P-I-D G-A-M-E D-E-S-I-G-N

Not sure its ok to type that, I suspect its an owned trademark by ZoS.

kevlarto_ESO

With the store these days unsubbing just does not have the same impact it used to and with the b2p you can still play with out spending another dime.. /shrug

WolfingHour

Regarding loot, you can always say no to the higher VRs that you find in /z chat and use the LFG tool. It actually works and the more people realize this and start using the faster it will be to find a group. Regarding the helm specifically, they can drop even if you are vr1 with a vr14 in the group and it will be vr1. I've seen this happen.

Lastly, it is possible to find a group at vr1-4 that is competent. Most of the times, it will just take some explaning of mechanics and a couple of tries*. Weren't you completely oblivious of dungeon mechanics at some point? And add these lower VRs to your contact list for future runs. I have a VR2 healer in the EP faction a lvl 46 in DC (my main is AD) of the EU server. Feel free to add me.

* Take a couple of STA/HP and MAG/HP dual pots just in case

GaldorP

It should really be more transparent when loot and XP penalties apply: does it happen when the monsters are too high/too low, when other players in your group are too high/too low, when other players who attack the same monsters but are not in your group are too low/too high?

And it would also be nice to know how large exactly these loot and XP penalties are. In numbers. For example, like -20% drop chance when the monsters are 5 levels lower, -30% when it's 6-10 levels lower, etc.

The difference between normal levels and veteran ranks is still very confusing when it comes to XP and loot penalties.

From what I read on the forums the current trick to powerlevel is to scale normal group dungeons to level 49 because they give way more XP that way than when they are in VR 1+ scale. Plus, there seems to be no XP penalty for characters of any veteran ranks when monsters in a dungeon are level 49, but at the same time there is a huge XP penalty for VR 14 characters when they do any other content that is VR 9 or lower (silver and gold zones, including solo delves and public dungeons).

And then I've noticed that when I help lowbies complete group dungeons with my VR 14 character, they sometimes get "a ton of XP", according to them, from normal monsters (that was a character around lv 25 I think), and sometimes they get no XP at all even if they do 100% of the damage to the monsters (that was a character around level 15).

It's all just very confusing and intransparent so I can understand the frustration of the OP with this.

Bramble

What you describe sounds like a dreadful catch-22 sort of situation and I hope it's remedied soon. I'm too low of a level to even begin to understand, but I'm enjoying ESO tremendously for now.

As for non-cartoony things to try in the meantime... hopefully concurrently with ESO, since B2P means never *having* to say good-bye, right?

I'd suggest Rift (ESO reminds me of this one more than anything and it has many features to appreciate, a couple that irritated me enough to not revisit it for a long time, but it's beautiful and interesting), GW2 (gorgeous graphics and style) , EQ2 (getting on in years but so much fun was had in its day), even Neverwinter Online was well done, but the gambly boxes just drained the fun factor out of it. Tera is also beautiful and has reticule style combat mode. My daughter is loving FFXIV (if I have the right amount of Roman numerals there) and if you haven't got a distaste of ARPGs, Path of Exile is a fantastic entry in that type of game. It's anti-cartoon, for sure. Gritty, dark, but sharp graphics and surprising depth.

I'm sure I could think of more but you fear bannage will occur so I'll just wrap it up. I don't think you should be targeted for any punitive action, though, since you coherently and intelligently detailed what seems to be a perfectly valid complaint that deserves to be heard. I can only wish you well in your wanderings and hope that ESO fixes this issue and the path leads you back here soon!

Faulgor

High level VRs also have no reason to run with low level instances, because the loot will be scaled to the instance and not the looter. Had to deconstruct VR4 boss helmets and Savior's Hide Shoulders a few days ago because they are pointless junk. As is any other loot from Undaunted boxes below VR14. I have 6 VR characters below VR14, and I'd love to do dungeons with them, but I will only get upset if I find something rare that is not of the best quality and I'll have to decon a few ranks later.

Veteran Ranks absolutely killed this game.

Edit: Also, don't know any good MMOs, that genre seems totally rotten these days, but some of my ESO friends left for Diablo 3 and seem to have a blast.

Kalifas

olemanwinter wrote: »

I was here at launch. And we all know what this game was like at launch. So after about 2 months I left before eventually coming back. I've still been around enough I got my striped tiger....and I'm currently a 90 day subscriber. For about 10 more minutes.

(no you can't have my stuff cause I'll still play some maybe....just not paying anymore...at all)

I won't buy your crown store junk and I wont buy any content expansions (as if they will ever exist).

After having trouble looting dungeons with my VR1 character I filled out a support ticket. After which, no matter what I said or did I received either the same form letter over and over again, or finally someone paraphrasing it.

They said,

"The reason you are not getting any loot is because you are completing dungeons with much higher level characters. If you complete the dungeons with characters in and around your own level, the loot will be available to all players and distributed evenly."

So, this is my final email back to ESO:

This is NOT the case for the other players. The higher VR players are getting an easier dungeon AND are the same number of levels away from the lower characters.


If two VR2 players and two VR8 players due a VR2 SCALED INSTANCE.....the VR2s are unable to loot but the VR8s are able to loot every boss and get the dungeon helms.

So, a VR14 can get loot in a dungeon by grouping with ANY players with the dungeon scaled to ANY level, but a VR1 character can only loot the bosses if the BOTH the dungeon and other players are very close in level range?

This is why it's impossible to find a lower VR rank group. This is why everyone feels rushed to get to VR14. This is why everyone feels like they have to keep grinding even as you nerf every form of grinding you can find. This is why everyone HATES the Veteran Ranks and many people hate ESO.

I'm logging into my account to unsubscribe right now.



TLDR: I cannot STAND the thought of grinding up to VR14 more characters in the face of their constant nerfing of grinding. Meanwhile it's impossible to find a competent group (if any group at all) of VR1-4 players. It's impossible to get ANY LOOT from a dungeon if you take 1 single player of a higher VR, even if the dungeon is scaled to your level (tried it with 3 VR2s and 1 VR7 in a VR2 dungeon.....all 3 VR2s were unable to loot any bosses). And while were on the subject, you can't compete in PvP with all the min/max set combinations largely unavailable until max VR.

If you know of any other MMOs without a cartoon look, let me know before this thread gets moved, I get banned, etc.

Darkfall, Tera(slightly cartoony but not really), Dark Age Of Camelot, Final Fantasy XIV(slightly asian, wow type gameplay, but awesome game with most meta game ever).

Only games I might leave ESO for if things never got better is FFXIV or a Dark Souls mmo that hasn't been announced yet.

Dymence

I can answer the question which you filed to support, @olemanwinter

From my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) you were doing veteran dungeons with your VR1, also having the dungeon scaled to vr1, whilst playing with higher veteran ranked players.

If this is the case, then the reason you are not getting any loot is very simple. You are not dealing enough damage.

You need to deal a certain amount of damage to be credited for the loot. If you deal too less damage, you won't get any loot. It's a mechanic to prevent people from afking and leeching off loot. Now normally, you won't be able to deal as much damage as a VR1 as say, a VR14 character. Hope this helps.

olemanwinter

Dymence wrote: »

I can answer the question which you filed to support, @olemanwinter

From my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) you were doing veteran dungeons with your VR1, also having the dungeon scaled to vr1, whilst playing with higher veteran ranked players.

If this is the case, then the reason you are not getting any loot is very simple. You are not dealing enough damage.

You need to deal a certain amount of damage to be credited for the loot. If you deal too less damage, you won't get any loot. It's a mechanic to prevent people from afking and leeching off loot. Now normally, you won't be able to deal as much damage as a VR1 as say, a VR14 character. Hope this helps.

Unfortunately it does not. I have tested this many times.

In one run we had

VR2 Tank (me)

VR 2 Healer

VR 2 DPS

VR 14 DPS

At every boss the VR14 was able to loot and no other player ever was at any boss.


In another run we had (FOR TESTING PURPOSES)

VR 1 DPS

VR 1 DPS

VR9 Tank

VR7 Healer

In this case, ONLY the VR1s were doing damage, and yet again the lower VR could never loot any boss.


It has nothing to do with the amount of damage being done. That may also be a SEPARATE thing that would preclude loot, but is completely unrelated to the topic at hand...unfortunately.


The mechanic you are speaking of is present at every dungeon regardless of the grouping. It has nothing to do with level range.

olemanwinter

Faulgor wrote: »

High level VRs also have no reason to run with low level instances, because the loot will be scaled to the instance and not the looter.

Well, what's funny or ironic is that the very best and easiest way to get a dungeon helm for a lower VR character (assuming an alt) is to run the dungeon on EASY-MODE with your VR14 main scaled down to whatever level your alt is.

How messed up is that? Way to go ESO.

BuggeX

olemanwinter wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

I can answer the question which you filed to support, @olemanwinter

From my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) you were doing veteran dungeons with your VR1, also having the dungeon scaled to vr1, whilst playing with higher veteran ranked players.

If this is the case, then the reason you are not getting any loot is very simple. You are not dealing enough damage.

You need to deal a certain amount of damage to be credited for the loot. If you deal too less damage, you won't get any loot. It's a mechanic to prevent people from afking and leeching off loot. Now normally, you won't be able to deal as much damage as a VR1 as say, a VR14 character. Hope this helps.

Unfortunately it does not. I have tested this many times.

In one run we had

VR2 Tank (me)

VR 2 Healer

VR 2 DPS

VR 14 DPS

At every boss the VR14 was able to loot and no other player ever was at any boss.


In another run we had (FOR TESTING PURPOSES)

VR 1 DPS

VR 1 DPS

VR9 Tank

VR7 Healer

In this case, ONLY the VR1s were doing damage, and yet again the lower VR could never loot any boss.


It has nothing to do with the amount of damage being done. That may also be a SEPARATE thing that would preclude loot, but is completely unrelated to the topic at hand...unfortunately.


The mechanic you are speaking of is present at every dungeon regardless of the grouping. It has nothing to do with level range.

Like allready told you, Play wow if you wanna get carried to endgame by v14 /lvl 100.

olemanwinter

BuggeX wrote: »

......
mimim
mimim

2) well ***, gona search him in cyro....wath was your home camp?

I don't even, your english know trying to say you? prob not worth effort the to understand anyway. bye

Raash

Just one more dumb feature this game want to serve to its guests. No loot for lowbies because it could be considered cheating and not hard enough. Meanwhile this game is infested with exploiters getting away with everything they do. but thats the way of the game!

olemanwinter

BuggeX wrote: »

Like allready told you, Play wow if you wanna get carried to endgame by v14 /lvl 100.

You're clearly trying to flame the thread so it gets closed. Not gonna be trolled by you.

My final comment to you is this;

For every lower VR player getting "carried through" by a VR14, there is a VR14 getting his daily gold pledge by scaling down the dungeon to VR1, so he can do it on EASY-MODE and get his key in 15 min.

I know...cause I have multiple high and max VR characters and I see both sides of the coin.

olemanwinter

Raash wrote: »

Just one more dumb feature this game want to serve to its guests. No loot for lowbies because it could be considered cheating and not hard enough. Meanwhile this game is infested with exploiters getting away with everything they do. but thats the way of the game!

The best way to play ESO is to either

A ) Be a roleplayer and be oblivious to everything

or

B ) Get a group of hardcore grinders and exploiters and get all the new gear/loot/attributes, etc within the first 72 hours of their release before they nerf the ever-living-sh!t out of the mechanic and put you ahead of the rest of the population for months.

BuggeX

olemanwinter wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Like allready told you, Play wow if you wanna get carried to endgame by v14 /lvl 100.

You're clearly trying to flame the thread so it gets closed. Not gonna be trolled by you.

My final comment to you is this;

For every lower VR player getting "carried through" by a VR14, there is a VR14 getting his daily gold pledge by scaling down the dungeon to VR1, so he can do it on EASY-MODE and get his key in 15 min.

I know...cause I have multiple high and max VR characters and I see both sides of the coin.

ofc i try to flame this thread to get it closed, i mean, goodby post are vs the rules of zos so you troll us

olemanwinter

BuggeX wrote: »

ofc i try to flame this thread to get it closed, i mean, goodby post are vs the rules of zos so you troll us

Not a goodbye thread. 2nd time I'm going to point out you either didn't read or didn't comprehend my OP.

I'm ceasing to PAY. Not ceasing to play. I'm still here.


Maybe you heard.....the game is buy to play now. I own a copy. No leaving required. Ain't it grand?

BuggeX

you know allready mby, but as a v14 grp you dont Need much longer than 15-20min for 1 Gold plegde noob

Raash

olemanwinter wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Just one more dumb feature this game want to serve to its guests. No loot for lowbies because it could be considered cheating and not hard enough. Meanwhile this game is infested with exploiters getting away with everything they do. but thats the way of the game!

The best way to play ESO is to either

A ) Be a roleplayer and be oblivious to everything

or

B ) Get a group of hardcore grinders and exploiters and get all the new gear/loot/attributes, etc within the first 72 hours of their release before they nerf the ever-living-sh!t out of the mechanic and put you ahead of the rest of the population for months.

Indeed so, only thing i dont fully agree on is the RP-crowd part.There seems to be more then enough of regular white knights here loving everything and hating everyone that dont agree.
But you know what they say, One man's trash is another man's treasure. And ESO is definatly my trash!

Uninstall ESO.............. COMPLETE!

BuggeX

If you know of any other MMOs without a cartoon look, let me know before this thread gets moved, I get banned, etc.

you asking for it and wonder now wy im trolling you thread?

Faulgor

olemanwinter wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

High level VRs also have no reason to run with low level instances, because the loot will be scaled to the instance and not the looter.

Well, what's funny or ironic is that the very best and easiest way to get a dungeon helm for a lower VR character (assuming an alt) is to run the dungeon on EASY-MODE with your VR14 main scaled down to whatever level your alt is.

How messed up is that? Way to go ESO.

Yeah, it's just messed up in every direction.
I'm tempted to say they should just give up and let all gear scale with your level. ESO is already as carebear as it gets, so what's the harm.