Unbiased Poll? Trader System, Improved Trader System, Personal Kiosks, Auction House, Something Else

SteveCampsOut

No Love hate here. Just some options!

Naivefanboi

im fine with selling in zone chat my prefered method anyways.

SteveCampsOut

Sorry I misspelled Personal Kiosks....

Keron

I very much like the fact that you made a real effort of a neutral poll. Something around 98% of the people making polls should take this as an example.

On topic: I actually like the personal kiosk idea very much, even though I see it as addition to the existing system.

Hence I voted "improved existing system", and this would be the improvement I would like to see.

newtinmpls

Is there any option to "choose all that apply"?

Audigy

I know its too late and thanks for the effort anyways, but a poll I would like to see would just have the following points to make it easier to choose from.

1. Current system with forced guild membership to sell
2. Current system without guild membership to sell
3. Personal shop system like DAOC, SWG (housing, personal kiosks)
4. Global AH


Those I think are the basic 4 decisions we have, what do we want?

Is it a system that limits our trading abilities to guild memberships, or do we want to see this lifted? Are we completely against guild vendors and want personal ones? Do we not like the vendor idea and prefer an AH system?

Once we found out the results there, we should talk about the preferred system and how it should be implemented.

SteveCampsOut

Keron wrote: »

I very much like the fact that you made a real effort of a neutral poll. Something around 98% of the people making polls should take this as an example.

On topic: I actually like the personal kiosk idea very much, even though I see it as addition to the existing system.

Hence I voted "improved existing system", and this would be the improvement I would like to see.

Thanks I tried to really leave out the leading biased language I've seen in so many other polls. Still, I'm sure there are other options I totally missed out on.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Is there any option to "choose all that apply"?

Sadly there isn't. I was hoping to see an option to let people add their own option but it doesn't appear to exist either.

MercyKilling

I like the personal kiosk and auction house options. What we have now only works for those interested in being in a guild....and that Hoovers.

NewBlacksmurf

I think everything works fine as is BUT having played DAoC I think so many ppl would flock to the housing area for guild ah and trading gathering areas (see my sig)

That's my vote

pugyourself

Just like the last poll, 54% of respondents want to keep the current system. Slightly more than half of those who want the current system want to see improvements to it. Exactly the same as the last poll.

Romo

Two identical poll results.

Only 25% want an AH.

Since the AH idea is toast, how about a better poll for how the vast majority of gamers want some, if any, changes to the current system.

The AH wishers should now stop spitting into the wind, makes for a mess on their faces.

Arkadius

Romo wrote: »

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The AH wishers should now stop spitting into the wind, makes for a mess on their faces.

It will never stop unless the AH is eventually implemented (what should never happen, in my opinion)

Ketta

My beefs with the current system are:

1. To be able to sell on an open market accessible by most players at any time, you have to be in a guild with a store
2. Guild kiosks are not accessible by all players; a significant portion are denied access due to level or other factors having to do with higher levels
3. To find the best deals on upgrades, crafting goods, etc., buyers must spend significant portions of their time traveling between kiosks
4. Sellers are impacted by lack of exposure, both due to the scattered nature of kiosk locations and the lack of buyer access (especially in higher level areas)

If a global AH system is completely off the table, at least some benefits of such a system could improve ESO's current system, along with other improvements that would benefit the entire player base:

1. Selling should not be restricted to those in a guild; players who are not guilded for whatever reason should be able to sell. However, some sort of listing fee (that would be alleviated by being in a guild with a kiosk) could be applied to their sales. This encourages rather than forces joining a guild
2. Improving the kiosk interface and search capability
3. Implementing a global search of kiosks. This saves players time, reduces zoning, and ensures that both buyers and sellers get more exposure. This would also encourage a little more competition between guilds
4. Implementing a 'wanted' feature, where buyers can request items (this will be especially beneficial to crafters). This feature would aid guilded and unguilded sellers and it would also save time and effort on both sides of the market

Just to (hopefully) avoid the typical canned responses:

I am not against joining guilds, I love them! I'm simply against forcing players to be in a guild to be able to sell on an open market--a feature that should be available to all players (particularly if they're paying a monthly membership!).

Selling in chat is not the same as selling on an open market. You're restricted by the time you spend advertising, can't really play much while doing so, and frankly, having to deal with some people in chat is definitely not fun. Personally, I don't log on to play an MMO to be in customer service.... For some people, this option is just fine...but for the vast majority, selling in chat is mostly an archaic feature that was long ago replaced with various forms of Bazaar zones, auction houses, and other forms of an open market.

Finally, ESO's system desperately needs to be opened up more for both buyers and sellers, if nothing else. Both sides of the market will benefit massively by increased if not full exposure. Yes, there will be shifts in prices due to demand and availability, some good, some bad. That's the nature of an in-game player-run market though.

JD2013

They're not putting an AH in. This was stated yesterday on ESO live. No. Auction. House.

Keron

JD2013 wrote: »

They're not putting an AH in. This was stated yesterday on ESO live. No. Auction. House.

I have a bad day.

That only means it's taking more than 10 months from now (subscription system, anyone?)

arena25

Where's the "I don't care" option?

Gidorick

Auction Horse!

Tandor

Ketta wrote: »

My beefs with the current system are:

1. To be able to sell on an open market accessible by most players at any time, you have to be in a guild with a store
2. Guild kiosks are not accessible by all players; a significant portion are denied access due to level or other factors having to do with higher levels
3. To find the best deals on upgrades, crafting goods, etc., buyers must spend significant portions of their time traveling between kiosks
4. Sellers are impacted by lack of exposure, both due to the scattered nature of kiosk locations and the lack of buyer access (especially in higher level areas)

If a global AH system is completely off the table, at least some benefits of such a system could improve ESO's current system, along with other improvements that would benefit the entire player base:

1. Selling should not be restricted to those in a guild; players who are not guilded for whatever reason should be able to sell. However, some sort of listing fee (that would be alleviated by being in a guild with a kiosk) could be applied to their sales. This encourages rather than forces joining a guild
2. Improving the kiosk interface and search capability
3. Implementing a global search of kiosks. This saves players time, reduces zoning, and ensures that both buyers and sellers get more exposure. This would also encourage a little more competition between guilds
4. Implementing a 'wanted' feature, where buyers can request items (this will be especially beneficial to crafters). This feature would aid guilded and unguilded sellers and it would also save time and effort on both sides of the market

Just to (hopefully) avoid the typical canned responses:

I am not against joining guilds, I love them! I'm simply against forcing players to be in a guild to be able to sell on an open market--a feature that should be available to all players (particularly if they're paying a monthly membership!).

Selling in chat is not the same as selling on an open market. You're restricted by the time you spend advertising, can't really play much while doing so, and frankly, having to deal with some people in chat is definitely not fun. Personally, I don't log on to play an MMO to be in customer service.... For some people, this option is just fine...but for the vast majority, selling in chat is mostly an archaic feature that was long ago replaced with various forms of Bazaar zones, auction houses, and other forms of an open market.

Finally, ESO's system desperately needs to be opened up more for both buyers and sellers, if nothing else. Both sides of the market will benefit massively by increased if not full exposure. Yes, there will be shifts in prices due to demand and availability, some good, some bad. That's the nature of an in-game player-run market though.

I agree with all of this. I can't really believe there's anything too contentious about it, provided that those who don't want any change to the present system and those who want an auction house as a replacement for the current system are both prepared to bend a little and recognise that there isn't an absolute majority support for either of their positions. Of course, it also requires ZOS to listen to their players, recognise that the present system has split the community down the middle, and welcome a compromise solution that ought to keep everyone happy except those very few players on the extreme margins of the debate. Then they need to sort it.

SteveCampsOut

arena25 wrote: »

Where's the "I don't care" option?

That would be "Other"

AH93

Although I don't do much trading, (just buy some blacksmithing materials from various guild stores), I do like the current system, so just improving that would be my preference.

glak

Please define housing vendor? Treat me like an mmo noob.

SteveCampsOut

glak wrote: »

Please define housing vendor? Treat me like an mmo noob.

In DAoC, you could place an actual Vendor NPC on a porch on the side of your house where you could place all your items up for sale and it had somewhere between 100-200 slots as I dimly recall. Someone can correct me on the amount, but it was much greater than the mere 30 slots we see here now on guild vendors.

glak

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

glak wrote: »

Please define housing vendor? Treat me like an mmo noob.

In DAoC, you could place an actual Vendor NPC on a porch on the side of your house where you could place all your items up for sale and it had somewhere between 100-200 slots as I dimly recall. Someone can correct me on the amount, but it was much greater than the mere 30 slots we see here now on guild vendors.

That works, thanks!

To do so, housing would have to be implemented.. So if we ask for this as a community, then we're pushing for housing even harder.

SteveCampsOut

pugyourself wrote: »

Just like the last poll, 54% of respondents want to keep the current system. Slightly more than half of those who want the current system want to see improvements to it. Exactly the same as the last poll.

Improving the current system doesn't mean keeping it!

pugyourself

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

pugyourself wrote: »

Just like the last poll, 54% of respondents want to keep the current system. Slightly more than half of those who want the current system want to see improvements to it. Exactly the same as the last poll.

Take your blinders off. Improving the current system doesn't mean keeping it!

You have to keep it to improve it.

Otherwise you're REPLACING it.

SteveCampsOut

Keep means not changing. Why do you think they call products "New and Improved". They aren't the same thing.

ZOS_MichelleA

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pugyourself

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Keep means not changing. Why do you think they call products "New and Improved". They aren't the same thing.

Keep means keep. Improve means keep the current system and make it better.

SteveCampsOut

New Coke is not the same as Classic Coke.

pugyourself

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

New Coke is not the same as Classic Coke.

Those are two totally different product lines. (You can confirm this via Google) "New and Improved" on an existing product implies the existing product remains but has been improved. Producers often use those terms because they boost sales and the only thing that has changed is the packaging or the product weight.

When you "improve" a flame staff in game are you keeping that flame staff and making it better? Or are you "improving" it into a greatsword?

Malmai

We need AH.