Fixed - Dynamic Experience for PvP at a Rate of 100k exp per hour.

Faugaun

I was reading this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153523/leveling-via-pvp/p2

So I created a simple example of a better system (IMO) and a calculator for people to play around with to experiment with the system and how much experience you would receive for a kill under various circumstances. It doesn't contain all variables that a robust live version would and is limited strictly to player killing exp (but its not bad for an hour of design work).

Here's the link:

http://asolutionaday.com/general/proposed-mmo-pvp-time-delayed-exp-calculator/

Hope you like it!

Faugaun

Oops apparently my link was bad now it is fixed

Faugaun

And yeah the player bias is malfunctioning so for now do equal player counts for each side.

Faugaun

OK froze player count at 100 per faction until I can get a time to fix player count bias.

Faugaun

Ok, I corrected the player bias....

Now the calculator should be working correctly and should automatically adjust exp based on faction kill history and should create an exp to compensate for factions with fewer active players facing larger zerg balls ... this should create a fair exp system where the average PvPer would make about 100k per hour (400k exp per hour with enlightenment). There would be two ways to apply this:

a) the player who gets the killing blow gets the full kill experience (this is biased against tanks and healers)

b) If a group member kills an enemy then the experience from the kill is divided evenly among allies within a certain range (and in combat when the player died).

You should be able to adjust kills and current players online

Additionally I would suggest placing the "Current exp per kill for your faction" on the pvp zone selection screen. This mean that when your faction is receiving higher experience (i.e. when you're the underdog, losing either by skill of sheer number of players) your allies are encouraged to join the fight. Meanwhile Stronger factions (i.e. overall stronger players or more players) have slightly lower experience which discourages players from joining the fray on that faction. These two effects should cause the teams to be more evenly match in Cyrodil also.

Faugaun

Sigh...is it unclear? Or what? No one is responding

I can try to clarify if you explain what doesn't make sense ...

Kuro1n

Hey man I'll read it soon. Just busy checking out the unity stream right now. They just announced unity 5 release.

Faugaun

Sweet would love feedback, please keep in mind it is basic and as such may not account for all factors a live version would need to...but is shows how PvP expmcan be done in a fair and equitable manner which is more inline with pve gains.

Rune_Relic

Been offline a few days....some people are.
Have some patience faugaun....I am sure its worth the read and many will.
I myself have a shed load of number crunching to do with your work....dont have spare time though.
I am sure the 1.6 download will give me plenty lol.

Faugaun

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Been offline a few days....some people are.
Have some patience faugaun....I am sure its worth the read and many will.
I myself have a shed load of number crunching to do with your work....dont have spare time though.
I am sure the 1.6 download will give me plenty lol.

Awesome! And Thanks!

Also ...well idk what normal exp is for PvP since I don't pay attention to individual gains...if people have any idea about average kills per faction per hour or average play kills per hour or the exp rates currently given for PvP, it would be nice for comparison of my proposed system to the current to see how close zos is hitting.

I may be making a few modifications in the near future to improve accuracy of exp projections if I'm feeling motivated but the idea of the dynamically adjusted gains based on data drawn from the game and then scaled to the developers desired CP gain rate should apply fairly well. Also I think by posting (your factions exp per kill number) the exp value in a prominent location it would encourage players to join the fight on teams that need help and discourage people from joining fights where their team is the head honcho already. Hopefully this would ultimately result in full battlegrounds all the time.

Kuro1n

Well I don't see how this would solve the EXP issues in cyro, I mean right now you have what ~1000 a kill? The difference wouldn't be that big with this system honestly. The thing is that the people who tag all enemies as they die gets a lot while people who kills a player solo gets *** exp.

What they need to do is simply do a system like yours but also increasing the quest exp when killing enemy players by a *** for example (or other things like that).

Faugaun

Kuro1n wrote: »

Well I don't see how this would solve the EXP issues in cyro, I mean right now you have what ~1000 a kill? The difference wouldn't be that big with this system honestly. The thing is that the people who tag all enemies as they die gets a lot while people who kills a player solo gets *** exp.

What they need to do is simply do a system like yours but also increasing the quest exp when killing enemy players by a *** for example (or other things like that).

It depends on how many kills each faction does in an hour....if its on the lower end of my scale then you get more exp on the upper end it is lower. Also as stated in my previous post I'm looking at the formula for more accuracy. The current system may be conservatively low so it is likely that a more accurate formula (which if I am motivated I will create) would probably increase the numbers a bit. Currently it evaluates from 138 to 3472 kills per faction per hour. Which on a low pop campaign may be high and on a max pop campaign may be low.

I think this system + modifications to the cyrodil quests and delves (like you suggest) is the ticket. Because it will be a combined fix required not a patch here and there and the whole system needs to be examined. Thanks for the feedback

If I work on this more it will be after I get my champion point passive calculators updated for 1.6.5 ....

Blud

Faugaun wrote: »

Ok, I corrected the player bias....

Now the calculator should be working correctly and should automatically adjust exp based on faction kill history and should create an exp to compensate for factions with fewer active players facing larger zerg balls ... this should create a fair exp system where the average PvPer would make about 100k per hour (400k exp per hour with enlightenment). There would be two ways to apply this:

a) the player who gets the killing blow gets the full kill experience (this is biased against tanks and healers)

b) If a group member kills an enemy then the experience from the kill is divided evenly among allies within a certain range (and in combat when the player died).

You should be able to adjust kills and current players online

Additionally I would suggest placing the "Current exp per kill for your faction" on the pvp zone selection screen. This mean that when your faction is receiving higher experience (i.e. when you're the underdog, losing either by skill of sheer number of players) your allies are encouraged to join the fight. Meanwhile Stronger factions (i.e. overall stronger players or more players) have slightly lower experience which discourages players from joining the fray on that faction. These two effects should cause the teams to be more evenly match in Cyrodil also.

Nice concept. Just a quick reply to say, I would prefer (b) as I usually focus on healing. I also don't like systems where you do most of the work killing some dude and some guy snipes your kill at the last minute and gets the credit.

Faugaun

Thanks Blud! Yeah the more I think about it (b) seems more fair.

Faugaun

Worked on a more advanced system today I am making progress I think you all will like the accurate values scaled to 100k...i've created and verified the new formulas, and am now simplifying them to something that can be easily coded....then will work on building the calculator...

Faugaun

New formulas are implemented, its throwing ridiculous values when the team size or number of recent kills become too skewed between factions.....I'll be adding an algorithm to fix this effect (hopefully) later. Also will be improving the ui later as well