What's the point?

Faugaun · February 2015

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Said guild mate responds "I don;t think I like this"

My response "??"

he replied "What's the motivation to try different builds?"

You know he is exactly correct...if I have a level 50 there is no motivation what-so ever to level a different character .... and that's a crying shame, and definitely not "Play how you want".

So I propose that ZOS should enable exp on all characters (not just those vr1+) to earn towards champion points.

Kragorn · February 2015

Do you know how much XP it takes to get to 50? I suggest you find out and then see how few CPs you'll get at the 400k XP per CP rate which ZOS confirmed in the ESO Live today is what will be used when 1.6 goes live.

If you seriously have no interest in leveling other races or classes and see alts merely as CP farmers you'll be sadly disappointed at the reality.

Karmine · February 2015

Different class has different abilities. Getting those abilities are the reason. With the wide variety of builds per class there is no real need to make alts, which is nice.

jluceyub17_ESO · February 2015

They already have an "inspiration" system in place to address this. While you're leveling a character from 1-50 you don't earn CP but you do build up Inspiration which lets you earn CP faster. Inspiration otherwise builds up over time when you aren't playing a Vet Rank Character.

Also the motivation to try different builds is the opportunity to try different builds. This is a game not a job.

Sharee · February 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

jluceyub17_ESO · February 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

The point of that is to have a lot of toons ready to quest in Caldwell's Silver and Gold zones because questing on a Vet toon will be one of the best ways to earn CP. Honestly I've done it myself over the past few months since this was announced and am sitting on 2 VR1s who I've pretty much stopped playing once they hit VR1.

technohic · February 2015

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

The point of that is to have a lot of toons ready to quest in Caldwell's Silver and Gold zones because questing on a Vet toon will be one of the best ways to earn CP. Honestly I've done it myself over the past few months since this was announced and am sitting on 2 VR1s who I've pretty much stopped playing once they hit VR1.

Grinding is still better so I see no need for alts. At least beyond any reason prior.

Faugaun · February 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

Do you know how much XP it takes to get to 50? I suggest you find out and then see how few CPs you'll get at the 400k XP per CP rate which ZOS confirmed in the ESO Live today is what will be used when 1.6 goes live.

If you seriously have no interest in leveling other races or classes and see alts merely as CP farmers you'll be sadly disappointed at the reality.

It not that it generates a lot/ or a little xp, it's the damn principle....

Karmine wrote: »

Different class has different abilities. Getting those abilities are the reason. With the wide variety of builds per class there is no real need to make alts, which is nice.

true but once you have four ...they why play the other factions ?

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

They already have an "inspiration" system in place to address this. While you're leveling a character from 1-50 you don't earn CP but you do build up Inspiration which lets you earn CP faster. Inspiration otherwise builds up over time when you aren't playing a Vet Rank Character.

Also the motivation to try different builds is the opportunity to try different builds. This is a game not a job.

it builds up faster when you play a non vr toon than when you're logged off?

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

except for playing on a level 50 gets you cp, while playing on a non level 50 does not ...

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

The point of that is to have a lot of toons ready to quest in Caldwell's Silver and Gold zones because questing on a Vet toon will be one of the best ways to earn CP. Honestly I've done it myself over the past few months since this was announced and am sitting on 2 VR1s who I've pretty much stopped playing once they hit VR1.

this

Curragraigue · February 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

Quest levelling. The more fresh faced 50s you have the more times you can gain CPs from levelling using quests. If you don't mind Craglorn grind and you can find a good XP spot or if they give PvP XP a big boost you won't need it otherwise I can see the first zones of all of the Alliances being full the first day that CPs are obtainable.

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

I for one have two Nightblade characters.
Basically one of them could fill in all the roles there are.
But to do so I have to have gear for all those roles, I have to respec every time I want a different morph, I have to allocate my stat points (and CP) different for each role.

Now having two characters allows me to have a stamina and a magica based Nightblade at the same time. If I want to switch from melee to magic I don't have to waste time changing morphs and relocating stat-points (and CP), all I have to do is log out and in again.

And now that we get those CP it's even better, because all the progress I make on either character counts for both.

driosketch · February 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

Do you know how much XP it takes to get to 50? I suggest you find out and then see how few CPs you'll get at the 400k XP per CP rate which ZOS confirmed in the ESO Live today is what will be used when 1.6 goes live.

If you seriously have no interest in leveling other races or classes and see alts merely as CP farmers you'll be sadly disappointed at the reality.

About 4 - 5 would be my guess. Times 6-8 characters that's a good 30 or so CP. Those are also easy 1% boosts versus the veteran grinder who's making around a .2% or less of an increase with each additional CP. The diminishing returns are working as intended. The vets are still 3-4% over the new players, but not so far that they can't close the gap a little.

Problem is you get new players who may be like me. Ones who level slower because they spend time of alts leveling in parallel, customizing, exploring and picking over the content, or spending even half their time in PvP starting at level 10. I've been playing since early access, and only reached my first VR character this month. I only reached that because I started grinding up to take advatage of the conversion coming when 1.6 goes live.

It occurs to me that my style of play gets punished if things stay the way they are. The CP system has the potenial to unbalance the game. The longer you delay getting a character to vet, the farther behind you will be starting out as the game ages.

I agree with OP, all xp should count towards gaing CP. Make no mistake, I'm not saying they should hand out bonuses to players who haven't earned it. I'm saying everytime you play, no matter the style, should count towards earning those bonuses.

driosketch · February 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

@Sharee the reason to do this is so playtime spent on any character once 1.6 goes live will earn towards CP, as opposed to that time going to waste while non vet and handicapping yourself.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2015

Here is a easy reason to level your Toon's to VR levels (Que awesome music)...

Enlightenment..

So your on your one Character, and you grinded / quested out a Champion point (it takes 400K xp) Whooohooo your now up to 71 CP (because this toon is your favorite VR14 character) and you been using him for the last two days.. but you also have 4 other VR toons..

So you log onto a different VR toon, a VR5, and you haven't been on him for atleast a day or two since you were playing on your VR14, Bam he has "Enlightenment" what cost you doing normal grinding/questing to get a champion point (400k) now only costs this character 100K to get a champion point.. so you play on him and get another champion point.. (acct wide CP now 72) you then log off that night and dream of Tamriel..

You come back to the game the next day and log into another VR character, a VR1, spend the 72 CP you get since you haven't been on him at all for the last two days since you been on the other Toons, and look at that.... he has "Enlightenment" but it is for two days worth, so to get two (2) champion points it will cost 200k, so you play on this one for the day questing and then PvP'ing, you log off for the night after getting your 2 CP (acct wide is now 74 CP)..

the next day you check all your other VR toons, your fav VR14, your VR5, and your obscure VR3 you haven't even looked at, and OMG they have "Enlightenment" on all three, it will only cost you a 100k to get a CP for each of them..

So you pick one of your VR characters who have "Enlightenment" and go into the game, place your new CP on that toon and play..

Welcome to the Champion system..

PS- "Enlightenment" maxes after 3 days, for 3 CP at 100k each, that is the Maximum "Enlightenment" you can achieve..

Grapdjan · February 2015

So, I'm relatively new, and I've got two vr1 toons, and leveling three more at the moment. I like them all and spend a day on one, then a day on another etc . I'm unlikely to have the whole seventy cp by 1.6 but I will have five vr1s, all with no silver or gold done. Is getting cp then for me going to be a state of constant enlightenment?

Drasn · February 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Here is a easy reason to level your Toon's to VR levels (Que awesome music)...

Enlightenment..

So your on your one Character, and you grinded / quested out a Champion point (it takes 400K xp) Whooohooo your now up to 71 CP (because this toon is your favorite VR14 character) and you been using him for the last two days.. but you also have 4 other VR toons..

So you log onto a different VR toon, a VR5, and you haven't been on him for atleast a day or two since you were playing on your VR14, Bam he has "Enlightenment" what cost you doing normal grinding/questing to get a champion point (400k) now only costs this character 100K to get a champion point.. so you play on him and get another champion point.. (acct wide CP now 72) you then log off that night and dream of Tamriel..

You come back to the game the next day and log into another VR character, a VR1, spend the 72 CP you get since you haven't been on him at all for the last two days since you been on the other Toons, and look at that.... he has "Enlightenment" but it is for two days worth, so to get two (2) champion points it will cost 200k, so you play on this one for the day questing and then PvP'ing, you log off for the night after getting your 2 CP (acct wide is now 74 CP)..

the next day you check all your other VR toons, your fav VR14, your VR5, and your obscure VR3 you haven't even looked at, and OMG they have "Enlightenment" on all three, it will only cost you a 100k to get a CP for each of them..

So you pick one of your VR characters who have "Enlightenment" and go into the game, place your new CP on that toon and play..

Welcome to the Champion system..

PS- "Enlightenment" maxes after 3 days, for 3 CP at 100k each, that is the Maximum "Enlightenment" you can achieve..

Pretty sure enlightenment is account based, not character based. That being said, if you are playing on a character that is earning champion points your other characters are not earning enlightenment. Also, when a character spends the enlightenment, it is spent across the account.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2015

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Here is a easy reason to level your Toon's to VR levels (Que awesome music)...

Enlightenment..

So your on your one Character, and you grinded / quested out a Champion point (it takes 400K xp) Whooohooo your now up to 71 CP (because this toon is your favorite VR14 character) and you been using him for the last two days.. but you also have 4 other VR toons..

So you log onto a different VR toon, a VR5, and you haven't been on him for atleast a day or two since you were playing on your VR14, Bam he has "Enlightenment" what cost you doing normal grinding/questing to get a champion point (400k) now only costs this character 100K to get a champion point.. so you play on him and get another champion point.. (acct wide CP now 72) you then log off that night and dream of Tamriel..

You come back to the game the next day and log into another VR character, a VR1, spend the 72 CP you get since you haven't been on him at all for the last two days since you been on the other Toons, and look at that.... he has "Enlightenment" but it is for two days worth, so to get two (2) champion points it will cost 200k, so you play on this one for the day questing and then PvP'ing, you log off for the night after getting your 2 CP (acct wide is now 74 CP)..

the next day you check all your other VR toons, your fav VR14, your VR5, and your obscure VR3 you haven't even looked at, and OMG they have "Enlightenment" on all three, it will only cost you a 100k to get a CP for each of them..

So you pick one of your VR characters who have "Enlightenment" and go into the game, place your new CP on that toon and play..

Welcome to the Champion system..

PS- "Enlightenment" maxes after 3 days, for 3 CP at 100k each, that is the Maximum "Enlightenment" you can achieve..

Pretty sure enlightenment is account based, not character based. That being said, if you are playing on a character that is earning champion points your other characters are not earning enlightenment. Also, when a character spends the enlightenment, it is spent across the account.

Maybe you are correct but it didn't seem like that on the PTS, but maybe it was because I just wasn't on the PTS everyday and kept getting "Enlightenment" on my toons..

Sharee · February 2015

driosketch wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So, I was explaining to a guild mate tonight about the logical plan....you know lock in your 70 cp...then get as many characters to level 50 as possible until CS goes live.

Ehm... why would you do this? If you already have your 70 CP guaranteed, you won't gain anything extra from having many level 50's before CS goes live.

@Sharee the reason to do this is so playtime spent on any character once 1.6 goes live will earn towards CP, as opposed to that time going to waste while non vet and handicapping yourself.

You get the same CP if you just play your main. Doing two cyrodiil hubs is fairly quick, and that's all that's needed to consume your daily dose of enlightement (and you do not want to grind when you have no enlightement, that's a huge waste of time because you need 4x as much XP to move the CP bar).

Now, if you want to have alts for the alt's sake (for example because you want one of every class) then it absolutely makes sense to get them to 50 so every bit of XP you get goes towards CP. I just think making max alts and rushing them to 50 just to create a way to farm CP will achieve very little beyond driving you crazy.

driosketch · February 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Now, if you want to have alts for the alt's sake (for example because you want one of every class) then it absolutely makes sense to get them to 50 so every bit of XP you get goes towards CP.

That is all I'm saying.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · February 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Here is a easy reason to level your Toon's to VR levels (Que awesome music)...

Enlightenment..

So your on your one Character, and you grinded / quested out a Champion point (it takes 400K xp) Whooohooo your now up to 71 CP (because this toon is your favorite VR14 character) and you been using him for the last two days.. but you also have 4 other VR toons..

So you log onto a different VR toon, a VR5, and you haven't been on him for atleast a day or two since you were playing on your VR14, Bam he has "Enlightenment" what cost you doing normal grinding/questing to get a champion point (400k) now only costs this character 100K to get a champion point.. so you play on him and get another champion point.. (acct wide CP now 72) you then log off that night and dream of Tamriel..

You come back to the game the next day and log into another VR character, a VR1, spend the 72 CP you get since you haven't been on him at all for the last two days since you been on the other Toons, and look at that.... he has "Enlightenment" but it is for two days worth, so to get two (2) champion points it will cost 200k, so you play on this one for the day questing and then PvP'ing, you log off for the night after getting your 2 CP (acct wide is now 74 CP)..

the next day you check all your other VR toons, your fav VR14, your VR5, and your obscure VR3 you haven't even looked at, and OMG they have "Enlightenment" on all three, it will only cost you a 100k to get a CP for each of them..

So you pick one of your VR characters who have "Enlightenment" and go into the game, place your new CP on that toon and play..

Welcome to the Champion system..

PS- "Enlightenment" maxes after 3 days, for 3 CP at 100k each, that is the Maximum "Enlightenment" you can achieve..

Pretty sure enlightenment is account based, not character based. That being said, if you are playing on a character that is earning champion points your other characters are not earning enlightenment. Also, when a character spends the enlightenment, it is spent across the account.

Maybe you are correct but it didn't seem like that on the PTS, but maybe it was because I just wasn't on the PTS everyday and kept getting "Enlightenment" on my toons..

He is, you always got Enlightenment because you get it everyday.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150109/enlightment

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

Hey all. Here's some specifics about how Enlightenment works:

You'll receive a pool of XP that you'll gain at an accelerated rate. That amount is 400,000 XP during every 24-hour period. You are able to gain XP at the accelerated rate for up to 3 days worth of time, equaling 1.2 million in XP. This pool of XP can be spent on any of your veteran rank characters.

There should be no way to lose Enlightenment other than earning your allotted XP during that period of time. If you're noticing a loss of Enlightenment after zoning, entering a dungeon, or randomly during your time in-game, and you have not reached that max number of XP, that is not working as designed. We've submitted the reports in this thread to our team, but be sure to continue submitting /bug reports if it continues.

Hopefully this helps to clear up some of your questions.