Why do Fighters guild skills not affect werewolf players ?

Dracane

Hello,

There is a passive skill in the fighters guild, which allows all fighters guild skills to affect werewolfs as well. I have tested the fear ability against a friend from the ebonheart pact and nothing happened. Does this only affect players, when they use the werewolf ultimate ? This doesn't make sense, since they still have the beast blood in their human form and should be affected.

Or does this only work with few abilities ? Some please help

timidobserver

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Dracane

timidobserver wrote: »

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Oh this is stupid if you ask me. I want everyone to pay, who becomes a spawn of the Daedra, only to become mighty. They need to be punished all of them ! Werewolfs in their human form still are werewolfs. That's why I was hoping, this was a bug.

reagen_lionel

Yeah I dont quite agree with that either. It really doesnt make sense. A werewolf is affected by silver, regardless if they are in thier werewolf form or not.

Chrlynsch

Dracane wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Oh this is stupid if you ask me. I want everyone to pay, who becomes a spawn of the Daedra, only to become mighty. They need to be punished all of them ! Werewolfs in their human form still are werewolfs. That's why I was hoping, this was a bug.

You obviously have never transformed into the "powerful" Werewolf that makes you, weaker and less versatile then your human form.

ThatHappyCat

I'm fine with Fighters Guild skills not affecting untransformed Werewolves provided they don't get any bonuses. As it is they get a free stamina regeneration bonus with no downside, which makes them strictly better than non-Werewolves. That shouldn't be the case.

Dracane

Don't they receive 50% more poison damage ?
But I'm against Werewolfs and Vampires anyway. So I assume, the 9% damage bonus from the guild doesn't affect them as well ? I wish, normal and good person would have more benefits against Vampires and Werewolfs.

Milf_Hero

Dracane wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Oh this is stupid if you ask me. I want everyone to pay, who becomes a spawn of the Daedra, only to become mighty. They need to be punished all of them ! Werewolfs in their human form still are werewolfs. That's why I was hoping, this was a bug.

Dracane wrote: »

Don't they receive 50% more poison damage ?
But I'm against Werewolfs and Vampires anyway. So I assume, the 9% damage bonus from the guild doesn't affect them as well ? I wish, normal and good person would have more benefits against Vampires and Werewolfs.

hey, not all daedric princes are bad. Some play the field and others fight to maintain balance(good). Just because your a follower or accidental but accepting victim of Hircine or Molag bal (where ever vampire's come from, not entirely sure) doesn't mean your not good. I'm a werewolf and im a good guy. The Hero in my named isn't there to make my name look longer. You might actually be happy to see a vamp on your side when you find yourself out in cyrodiil fighting an enemy vampire. Also, the "normal and good person" have the benefits of being regular. No debuffs, and no skills designed to kill specifically, whatever race you are. Both werewolves and vampires have weaknesses to be exploited, on top of what the fighters guild does provide you. So its a trade off. For werewolves, its a cosmetic suit for when your bored. (lol exaggerating. It has useful ult gain and stam regen.) And Vampires.. whatever they do. Werewolf though, is utterly useless except for use by tanks in pve. So why you be hating huh? Slow down on that haterade.

You won't be able to vanquish us with one fell swoop. Otherwise, how could we call ourselves monsters worthy of being hunted by the likes of you.

kewl

***_Hero wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Oh this is stupid if you ask me. I want everyone to pay, who becomes a spawn of the Daedra, only to become mighty. They need to be punished all of them ! Werewolfs in their human form still are werewolfs. That's why I was hoping, this was a bug.

Dracane wrote: »

Don't they receive 50% more poison damage ?
But I'm against Werewolfs and Vampires anyway. So I assume, the 9% damage bonus from the guild doesn't affect them as well ? I wish, normal and good person would have more benefits against Vampires and Werewolfs.

hey, not all daedric princes are bad. Some play the field and others fight to maintain balance(good). Just because your a follower or accidental but accepting victim of Hircine or Molag bal (where ever vampire's come from, not entirely sure) doesn't mean your not good. I'm a werewolf and im a good guy. The Hero in my named isn't there to make my name look longer. You might actually be happy to see a vamp on your side when you find yourself out in cyrodiil fighting an enemy vampire. Also, the "normal and good person" have the benefits of being regular. No debuffs, and no skills designed to kill specifically, whatever race you are. Both werewolves and vampires have weaknesses to be exploited, on top of what the fighters guild does provide you. So its a trade off. For werewolves, its a cosmetic suit for when your bored. (lol exaggerating. It has useful ult gain and stam regen.) And Vampires.. whatever they do. Werewolf though, is utterly useless except for use by tanks in pve. So why you be hating huh? Slow down on that haterade.

You won't be able to vanquish us with one fell swoop. Otherwise, how could we call ourselves monsters worthy of being hunted by the likes of you.

I'd disagree, but you're ***_Hero, with a passive skill to banish

Sharee

Dracane wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Oh this is stupid if you ask me. I want everyone to pay, who becomes a spawn of the Daedra, only to become mighty.

It is a balancing act.

A vampire gets all of the advantages of vampirism all the time. He can use vampire abilities, some of which are quite powerful, at any time he wants. He has several useful passives who also affect him constantly.

A werewolf on the other hand gains almost no benefit (until a short time ago, no benefit at all) unless he transforms into his beast form, and only then are all his werewolf abilities available for use.

Thus, the vampire suffers permanent vulnerabilities along with enjoying permanent advantages, while the werewolf only gets his vulnerabilities (and his advantages*) while transformed.

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* and it is even debatable whether those advantages outweigh the natural disadvantages (losing access to all skills except WW ones, 5 quickbar slots instead of 10, no sneaking, no ultimate...)

ThatHappyCat

Dracane wrote: »

Don't they receive 50% more poison damage ?

Only when transformed.

Sharee wrote: »

Thus, the vampire suffers permanent vulnerabilities along with enjoying permanent advantages, while the werewolf only gets his vulnerabilities (and his advantages*) while transformed.

Except Werewolves get their stamina regen bonus when untransformed, with no disadvantages,

Sharee

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Thus, the vampire suffers permanent vulnerabilities along with enjoying permanent advantages, while the werewolf only gets his vulnerabilities (and his advantages*) while transformed.

Except Werewolves get their stamina regen bonus when untransformed, with no disadvantages,

That's what you get from selective quoting. I also said four lines higher

A werewolf on the other hand gains almost no benefit (until a short time ago, no benefit at all)

ThatHappyCat

Sharee wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Thus, the vampire suffers permanent vulnerabilities along with enjoying permanent advantages, while the werewolf only gets his vulnerabilities (and his advantages*) while transformed.

Except Werewolves get their stamina regen bonus when untransformed, with no disadvantages,

That's what you get from selective quoting. I also said four lines higher

A werewolf on the other hand gains almost no benefit (until a short time ago, no benefit at all)

Apologies. My mistake.

Armitas

It would break WW if you suffered +50% poison damage and evil hunter just for a heavy attack that restores more stamina and the possibility to turn into a werewolf for a few seconds with limited skills only to spend a portion of that time being CCd.

I think it would be better to have the WW be able to transform instantly at will but have each WW skill consume a certain amount of ultimate points. (That would be after adding the debuff to normal form, and rebalancing of the WW skills to reflect the uptime)

One cool thing would be that instead of mistforming you could just transform and run on four legs for added speed.

Dracane

***_Hero wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Yup, it only works on transformed werewolves. I guess the logic is that non-transformed werewolves have access to no benefits other than a stamina regen boost.

Oh this is stupid if you ask me. I want everyone to pay, who becomes a spawn of the Daedra, only to become mighty. They need to be punished all of them ! Werewolfs in their human form still are werewolfs. That's why I was hoping, this was a bug.

Dracane wrote: »

Don't they receive 50% more poison damage ?
But I'm against Werewolfs and Vampires anyway. So I assume, the 9% damage bonus from the guild doesn't affect them as well ? I wish, normal and good person would have more benefits against Vampires and Werewolfs.

hey, not all daedric princes are bad. Some play the field and others fight to maintain balance(good). Just because your a follower or accidental but accepting victim of Hircine or Molag bal (where ever vampire's come from, not entirely sure) doesn't mean your not good. I'm a werewolf and im a good guy. The Hero in my named isn't there to make my name look longer. You might actually be happy to see a vamp on your side when you find yourself out in cyrodiil fighting an enemy vampire. Also, the "normal and good person" have the benefits of being regular. No debuffs, and no skills designed to kill specifically, whatever race you are. Both werewolves and vampires have weaknesses to be exploited, on top of what the fighters guild does provide you. So its a trade off. For werewolves, its a cosmetic suit for when your bored. (lol exaggerating. It has useful ult gain and stam regen.) And Vampires.. whatever they do. Werewolf though, is utterly useless except for use by tanks in pve. So why you be hating huh? Slow down on that haterade.

You won't be able to vanquish us with one fell swoop. Otherwise, how could we call ourselves monsters worthy of being hunted by the likes of you.

Werewolfs and Vampires ARE bad and daedric spawns. They are the spawns of Hircine and Molag-Bal and so many people fall for the temptation to become one, just to get power. I'm an aedric priestress (the opposite of daedric) and I despise any kind of them.

I met 1 werewolf player in the game, who might be a good man and doesn't do bad things. But he still has Hircines blood running through his veins and this gives Hircine power, more power to spread his influence and this further weakens our great ancestors, the Aedra.

I can't take care of people who are good inside their hearts, but are influenced by the blood of the beast or the vamp. They give away their pure blood for power and this, I can't respect !