Elemental Blockade - Unstable Wall = The New Impulse?

WraithAzraiel

With the removal of oils being useful on the ground, I've noticed a GREAT DEAL of individuals of the Blue and Red persuasion utilizing the glitch or bug or whatever you want to call it when you animation-cancel the morphs of Wall of Elements that causes the attack to detonate prematurely and do massive damage.

Has this skill become the new "I SLAM MY FACE INTO THE KEYBOARD TO WIN WITH 1 SKILL" ability?

Srugzal

WraithAzraiel

FIX'd for better understanding

killedbyping

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

With the removal of oils being useful on the ground, I've noticed a GREAT DEAL of individuals of the Blue and Red persuasion utilizing the glitch or bug or whatever you want to call it when you animation-cancel the morphs of Wall of Elements that causes the attack to detonate prematurely and do massive damage.

Has this skill become the new "I SLAM MY FACE INTO THE KEYBOARD TO WIN WITH 1 SKILL" ability?

It does not explode prematurely. It just can be stacked infinite times.
So it looks like there are still wall of fire on the ground but you see the explosion, but it actualy was explosion from previous wall of fire.

KenjiJU

I'm going to go with 'Yes'.

Gorthax

maybe they will finally want to remove AC?!?!?!?!?

Yusuf

If it works don't fix it
Personally i'd negate that stuff (with absorption field) to get 15% health and magicka per blockade inside my negate, but people rather complain on the forums instead of coming up with solutions.

Joy_Division

Yusuf wrote: »

If it works don't fix it
Personally i'd negate that stuff (with absorption field) to get 15% health and magicka per blockade inside my negate, but people rather complain on the forums instead of coming up with solutions.

Don't you know it's easier to whine on the forums then move out of way of people spamming walls of fire?

stumpy999

I would like to see the bats in a batswarm ignite when they hit with fire.

and there be dot to the vamp swarming them.

Not because I have a vamp hate going on, just because a cloud of stuff can be ignited......

WraithAzraiel

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

If it works don't fix it
Personally i'd negate that stuff (with absorption field) to get 15% health and magicka per blockade inside my negate, but people rather complain on the forums instead of coming up with solutions.

Don't you know it's easier to whine on the forums then move out of way of people spamming walls of fire?

So what? We have to all just somehow acquire precognitive abilities?

"Guys wait, I feel a disturbance....I sense the presence of.....One Trick Ponies....."

"QUICK, NEGATE THAT WALL BEFORE WE BRING IT DOWN SO WE AREN'T STRUCK BY 17,000 UNSTABLE WALLS CAST BY ONLY 2 PEOPLE!"

Give me a break, it's cheap, it's broken and it's quickly becoming the newest face-to-button flavor of the week.

2 people should not be able to wipe 24, within the amount of time its takes for a Shield Charge to bring you to the breach.

Just ugly.

Maulkin

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

2 people should not be able to wipe 24, within the amount of time its takes for a Shield Charge to bring you to the breach.
Just ugly.

Is that what happened to you? Is that why you're so angry?

First off a lot of people used it before, just some people catching on now and also as you said the oil nerf. Applying Wall of Elements to breaches and choke points is practically what that skill was created for and you're complaining about it? That's the one thing it's supposed to be good at for chrissakes.

Some people will always find something to complain about

WraithAzraiel

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

2 people should not be able to wipe 24, within the amount of time its takes for a Shield Charge to bring you to the breach.
Just ugly.

Is that what happened to you? Is that why you're so angry?

First off a lot of people used it before, just some people catching on now and also as you said the oil nerf. Applying Wall of Elements to breaches and choke points is practically what that skill was created for and you're complaining about it? That's the one thing it's supposed to be good at for chrissakes.

Some people will always find something to complain about

Oh I'm not complaining about what the skill is for, I'm complaining about how 2 dudes can plant enough of them on the ground to wipe a full raid of 24 with multiple healers and purges. With damage shields and mitigations all ready to go, as one would have when breaching a keep.

2 guys wiping 24 just screams wrong to me. Especially since Unstable Wall doesn't adhere to the current AOE Cap. That's current design mistake number 1.

Don't try and trivialize it for whatever ridiculous reason you saw fit to mock a legitimate concern. Take a walk.

Kaynehusky

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

2 people should not be able to wipe 24, within the amount of time its takes for a Shield Charge to bring you to the breach.
Just ugly.

Is that what happened to you? Is that why you're so angry?

First off a lot of people used it before, just some people catching on now and also as you said the oil nerf. Applying Wall of Elements to breaches and choke points is practically what that skill was created for and you're complaining about it? That's the one thing it's supposed to be good at for chrissakes.

Some people will always find something to complain about

Oh I'm not complaining about what the skill is for, I'm complaining about how 2 dudes can plant enough of them on the ground to wipe a full raid of 24 with multiple healers and purges. With damage shields and mitigations all ready to go, as one would have when breaching a keep.

2 guys wiping 24 just screams wrong to me. Especially since Unstable Wall doesn't adhere to the current AOE Cap. That's current design mistake number 1.

Don't try and trivialize it for whatever ridiculous reason you saw fit to mock a legitimate concern. Take a walk.

So let me get this straight. there was 24 of you, and you all ran into an unstable wall? Well there's your problem, you're all lemmings. Didn't it occur to the lot of you to move? Maybe, I don't know, try to take out the two guys casting the spell with ranged attacks? Maybe use negate magic? This isn't rocket science. it just sounds like you're pissed off that two casters did their alliance proud, and defended their wall.

Jimm_ay

fire....bad

WraithAzraiel

Kaynehusky wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

2 people should not be able to wipe 24, within the amount of time its takes for a Shield Charge to bring you to the breach.
Just ugly.

Is that what happened to you? Is that why you're so angry?

First off a lot of people used it before, just some people catching on now and also as you said the oil nerf. Applying Wall of Elements to breaches and choke points is practically what that skill was created for and you're complaining about it? That's the one thing it's supposed to be good at for chrissakes.

Some people will always find something to complain about

Oh I'm not complaining about what the skill is for, I'm complaining about how 2 dudes can plant enough of them on the ground to wipe a full raid of 24 with multiple healers and purges. With damage shields and mitigations all ready to go, as one would have when breaching a keep.

2 guys wiping 24 just screams wrong to me. Especially since Unstable Wall doesn't adhere to the current AOE Cap. That's current design mistake number 1.

Don't try and trivialize it for whatever ridiculous reason you saw fit to mock a legitimate concern. Take a walk.

So let me get this straight. there was 24 of you, and you all ran into an unstable wall? Well there's your problem, you're all lemmings. Didn't it occur to the lot of you to move? Maybe, I don't know, try to take out the two guys casting the spell with ranged attacks? Maybe use negate magic? This isn't rocket science. it just sounds like you're pissed off that two casters did their alliance proud, and defended their wall.

That's the problem, you nailed it. Right on the head, we're lemmings. Oh wait did you forget to read the part where I stated that we prep'd pushing the breach as we always had before Update 5. With heals, purges and all manner of damage mitigation at the ready then POOF dead in the space of 2 seconds.

HENCE WHY I'M MAKING THIS POST.

If I could have chalked it up to user-error in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, I WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS POST.


Quit thinking your clever insults are going to cause people with legitimate concerns suddenly have a REVELATION that "OH damn, I must suck, that's why I died." Instead of,..... wait..... NO....COULD IT BE? A skill in the game is wildly broken? NO, SAY IT AIN'T SO!!! IMPOSSIBLE! HERESY I SAY HERESY!

Prior to Update 5, in near-exact situations - the tactics used and the makeup of said group has survived and triumphed through the combination of:

• ground-stacked oil pots
• knuckleheads slamming their faces into their Impulse button until unconsciousness
• multiple simultaneous batswarms
• caltrops
• enemy Standards of Might
• enemy Negates
• you name it

and if everything goes correctly, everyone plays their part - the majority of the group stays alive long enough to accomplish the objective.

If the group of that composition and execution is wiped by 2 guys spamming 1 F*^%&ING SKILL. Something is OUTSTANDINGLY wrong.

As I said to the other gentleman, take a walk, come back with some better material or something valid to add to the conversation.

Maulkin

Look, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to post some screenshots from FTC or CLS or even Death Recap showing ridiculously high damage per second for the short duration you specified.

Too many people cry about too many things because they are either baddies or because they don't know stuff works in the game.

If I had 24 people wipe to 2 people in 2 seconds as you explicitly say, the first thing I'd do is look to damage meters to see what happened and collect evidence. You can't tell me that none of you 24 had any of the tools mentioned available.

Unsubstantiated claims are just that. Add some substance, bring some evidence

Rylana

There is more than enough evidence out there.

Apply the AOE cap to this skill and its explosion and the problem is solved.

Srugzal

WraithAzraiel

Srugzal wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Kaynehusky wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

2 people should not be able to wipe 24, within the amount of time its takes for a Shield Charge to bring you to the breach.
Just ugly.

Is that what happened to you? Is that why you're so angry?

First off a lot of people used it before, just some people catching on now and also as you said the oil nerf. Applying Wall of Elements to breaches and choke points is practically what that skill was created for and you're complaining about it? That's the one thing it's supposed to be good at for chrissakes.

Some people will always find something to complain about

Oh I'm not complaining about what the skill is for, I'm complaining about how 2 dudes can plant enough of them on the ground to wipe a full raid of 24 with multiple healers and purges. With damage shields and mitigations all ready to go, as one would have when breaching a keep.

2 guys wiping 24 just screams wrong to me. Especially since Unstable Wall doesn't adhere to the current AOE Cap. That's current design mistake number 1.

Don't try and trivialize it for whatever ridiculous reason you saw fit to mock a legitimate concern. Take a walk.

So let me get this straight. there was 24 of you, and you all ran into an unstable wall? Well there's your problem, you're all lemmings. Didn't it occur to the lot of you to move? Maybe, I don't know, try to take out the two guys casting the spell with ranged attacks? Maybe use negate magic? This isn't rocket science. it just sounds like you're pissed off that two casters did their alliance proud, and defended their wall.

That's the problem, you nailed it. Right on the head, we're lemmings. Oh wait did you forget to read the part where I stated that we prep'd pushing the breach as we always had before Update 5. With heals, purges and all manner of damage mitigation at the ready then POOF dead in the space of 2 seconds.

HENCE WHY I'M MAKING THIS POST.

If I could have chalked it up to user-error in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, I WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS POST.


Quit thinking your clever insults are going to cause people with legitimate concerns suddenly have a REVELATION that "OH damn, I must suck, that's why I died." Instead of,..... wait..... NO....COULD IT BE? A skill in the game is wildly broken? NO, SAY IT AIN'T SO!!! IMPOSSIBLE! HERESY I SAY HERESY!

Prior to Update 5, in near-exact situations - the tactics used and the makeup of said group has survived and triumphed through the combination of:

• ground-stacked oil pots
• knuckleheads slamming their faces into their Impulse button until unconsciousness
• multiple simultaneous batswarms
• caltrops
• enemy Standards of Might
• enemy Negates
• you name it

and if everything goes correctly, everyone plays their part - the majority of the group stays alive long enough to accomplish the objective.

If the group of that composition and execution is wiped by 2 guys spamming 1 F*^%&ING SKILL. Something is OUTSTANDINGLY wrong.

As I said to the other gentleman, take a walk, come back with some better material or something valid to add to the conversation.

This is a good example of the way change comes to ESO. Someone screams and stamps his feet about some perceived injustice, or the failure of some cherished tactic of theirs. If they get enough people to join them in this howler-monkey-like chorus, ZOS will change the game to accommodate them. Guaranteed.

The tactic of screaming and yelling and then mocking even the most reasonable disagreement and alternative explanations is one of the most important parts of this phenomenon. The post quoted here is a perfect example.

Is there merit to this particular concern? Well, it literally does not matter. Look at this guy's list. That tells the story.

Take a hike, pal. This isn't screaming and the stamping of feet; this is defense of my original statement from knuckleheads that can't be bothered enough to read and toss out canned lame responses like:
"L2P nub, hur hur hur"
"Pics or it didn't happen"
"oh look another crybaby"

I wrote out what I saw, how I felt and what I think about the way a certain skill works. People who disagree, who are likely abusing said skill, call you a crybaby or a whiner and tell you to learn to play. People who DO agree with you, just click the damn agree button.

And every so often, some chucklef$#@ thinks he/she's a Subject Matter Expert and proceeds to tell you that you're wrong without providing proof of why you're wrong.

What? I'm supposed to take them at their word? They know better than me? Do they have some secret knowledge of the game that as a player I don't possess?

Don't let your laziness lead you to incorrect assumptions. Read more.

This thread started with a question and devolved into a textual shouting match of me having to defend my position.

I believe in my position, you bet your ass I'm going to be as vocal as possible in it's defense.

NOW, unless you have anything CONSTRUCTIVE to add to the conversation. A simple "I disagree, I think the skill is fine" would've been constructive.

Going through an obscene amount of effort and typing just to call me a crybaby? Not constructive.

I charge you to find a reasonable disagreement that I mocked. Find me the "reasonable" individual who politely offered to explain why I was wrong, and I'll admit I'm wrong. Go.

Once again, this isn't me kicking and screaming - this is escalation of force.

WraithAzraiel

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Look, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to post some screenshots from FTC or CLS or even Death Recap showing ridiculously high damage per second for the short duration you specified.

Too many people cry about too many things because they are either baddies or because they don't know stuff works in the game.

If I had 24 people wipe to 2 people in 2 seconds as you explicitly say, the first thing I'd do is look to damage meters to see what happened and collect evidence. You can't tell me that none of you 24 had any of the tools mentioned available.

Unsubstantiated claims are just that. Add some substance, bring some evidence

This is a reasonable request, I wish I would've thought of it at the time, but I too stunned to do anything other than ask WTF just happened in TeamSpeak.

When next I encounter this situation, I'll make a point to take screenshots.

Though even then, it'd be weak evidence at best. What's to stop someone from going, "look here's visual proof that you just suck and let 2 guys kill you haha you suck"

I think a video would be better. I'll work on that.

Additionally, someone in the group at the time may have taken screenshots, I'll ask that they post them here.

Srugzal

WraithAzraiel

Srugzal wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Take a hike, pal.

No.

I wasn't discussing the merits of your argument, or it's lack of merits, at all. Your reply illustrates my point rather well though, so thank you.

Once again, this isn't me kicking and screaming - this is escalation of force.

An escalation of comedy, perhaps.

If you insist on having this tantrum, you will chase away anyone who wants to have a reasoned conversation with you. This happens with some regularity here, and does result in changes to the game, independant of the merits of the accusations. That's my point. You're blinded by your rage, so you can't see that.

I assume you're familiar with the "Invulnerability Exploit" thread. I made some of the same comments there, and the chief screamer turned and attacked me much like you just did. See, you angry people just don't get that I don't care what you're arguing about. I'm commenting on the tendency of ZOS to acquiesce to the loudest screamers, regardless of the merits of what they're saying. You're coming back and attempting to intimidate me into going away because you think (I use that word loosely) that I'm calling you out. That is entirely beside the point, because it's ZOS I'm talking about, not you.

You made a very nice list of recent issues that have started like this and resulted in game changes. Some were justified, and some weren't. Opinions vary.

You may not have anything to add in opposition to or support for the point I'm making here, and that's fine.

The one thing you don't get to do is tell me -- or anyone else -- to go away. There are no New Jersey politicians allowed in these forums.

No, you're really not getting it. This thread wasn't started as a place to scream and kick to get my way. Look at the title. Then follow the progression of posts and responses.

You'll note that I only start getting incensed when dealing with knuckleheads that refuse to follow the spirit of the original post. I only got angry once the bobo's filtered in with their insults and all-too-common internet assumption of anonymity disrespect.

That's what I'm railing against with your comments, I didn't start this thread as a means to get anything nerfed. I started it to bring attention to a trend I noticed day 1 of Update 5.

I started listing reasons to rebut the nonsensical assumptions that either:
A) My group was a bunch of lemmings and stood in fire until they died
2) My group and I need to L2P and adapt to a clearly broken and exploitative skill - broken and exploitative in the regard of it not adhering to the current AOE cap for other AOE abilities. Now granted it's a column of effect and not a pulsing radial but that's neither here nor there.


Do you understand the point I'm making and why I retaliated to your and other individual's comments, contrary to the intended spirit of the thread? Of which is now entirely derailed in a philosophical debate about

"The nail that sticks out get's hammered."

I don't care. I wanted to bring something to the attention of the community and listen to their opinions, not be unnecessarily chastised and ridiculed.

And the fact that I myself am from New Jersey, I'm glad you caught on to that.

I look forward to more relevant posts. If you wish to discuss the whole "he who screams, gets what he wants" thing, please send me a PM. I agree with you, proof = all the unnecessary Vampire nerfs.

Srugzal

WraithAzraiel

I love that guy, he's hysterical.

TagaParti

your saying 2 people wipe your team with 24 people? are you just being so exagerated or your team was the noobest or all noobs? L2P issue here.

WraithAzraiel

TagaParti wrote: »

your saying 2 people wipe your team with 24 people? are you just being so exagerated or your team was the noobest or all noobs? L2P issue here.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's never the possibility that the skill is broke as f*ck. It's always a L2P issue.

Go read the rest of the post, knuckles. No I'm not exaggerating, everyone that died had the same 2 names on their Death Recap, an all the attacks were Unstable Wall.

Had we been expecting people to be spamming an ability that doesn't adhere to the AOE cap in place on EVERY other AOE damage skill, we would've acted accordingly.

As it happens, we weren't expecting it. Still doesn't make it right. This isn't an adaptability issue. This is another oversight by whoever writes the code for the skills.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Advertising]

Srugzal

WraithAzraiel

Srugzal wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

I love that guy, he's hysterical.

Cheap shots are cheap.

But hysterical.

Srugzal

Sanct16

Imo there is some bug with it. I've seen screenshots of walls hitting for 2k each, which is just broken.

BTW: 1 entry in death recap is usually 1 cast. So multiple walls shouldnt stack in death recap.

Hypertionb14_ESO

this was obvious... many of us who have actually used that move have known this would become the goto for zone sepression