9 Set gear twice born star

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New Crafted Item Set: Twice-Born Star
If you have researched 9 traits in a given item type, you will be able to craft items in the Twice-Born Star item set. When worn in at least five different item slots, this item set will allow you to receive two different mundus stones buffs. The crafting stations for this item set are located in Upper Craglorn.

Seem a tad crappy for a 5 set bonus compared to whats going around? I mean you would most likely need 7/7 divines to get any really oomph* out of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkEO7hzALY

Nihil

How I look at the set, it is a set for all things. It is not a set really for optimizations, but it would be a good set if you didn't want to make a ton of sets and like to switch your playing style often.

AlnilamE

A friend is excited about trying a combo if Thief and Shadow for his NB DPS.

I can see how a Atronach/Ritual combo might be good for a healer, and a Lord/Lady for a tank.

It will be interesting to see what combinations people come up with.

Gyudan

I'll craft and try it as soon as update 5 is out on EU to check for bugs.
This will probably be my main post 1.5 legendary set, with Shadow+Thief for a sorcerer magicka dps.

Beesting

What they really need to add now is a temple with all the mundus stones in the capital city of each alliance. It seems a bit too much trouble to travel around to various stones in the world, even with a speed horse.

If the temple is there it would be epic to be able to change your build in a few mins when receiving a wisper to join a pug group.

After reading todays patchnotes , by which i am very impressed by, i believe zeni would even put this in, in the future!
Hail zenimax, hail hail.

Ps i have not seen the new and terrible bugs yet, i might feel very different tomorrow, but as long as block casting is not removed i always look forward to log into the game

Palidon

Well now if you want this new item set you are forced to research Nirnhoned gear which I personally feel is wrong due to the rarity of the stones and items. I could see requiring 8 traits. Looks like I will be spending a lot of gold to purchase Nirnhoned Items for research since the only one I have ever received was when I finished the Upper Craglorn Main quest.

AlexDougherty

Seems middle of the road to me, decent values (although having only just started Vet levels I could be wrong) though.

indigoblades

Its Ok but my intial impression is its weak when u consider one needs too learn 8 traits, then spend a fortune to learn or buy the 9th trait nirn in 5 pieces.

I can make a 5 piece 'Twice-Born Star' set in about 10 days, and i will to try it out. It cost me fortune to learn that and for magika builds i think its weaker 4/4 or 5/3 Seducer/Willow or Seducer/Twillight, since a magika build wont care about the staminia.

I think they mislead crafters when they made 8 & 9 traits sets so average. We were promised crafting would have the strongest armors, but thats just not true.

timidobserver

I look forward to tinkering around with this set in March of next year, which will likely be when you can obtain it without people wanting you to trade your soul for it.

guybrushtb16_ESO

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Seems middle of the road to me, decent values (although having only just started Vet levels I could be wrong) though.

Yup, I'm somewhat skeptical about it too. It's essentially a second mundus stone against both the 4 and 5 item bonus on other sets, I can't imagine right now where that would be really worth it.

Taker the archer's mind set for example, I'd lose out on 4% weapon crit, 5% crit damage and 15% crit damage from stealth, all for just one more mundus stone. And you can't even really get much out of it for pvp builds since you can't use the divines trait there.

AlexDougherty

indigoblades wrote: »

I think they mislead crafters when they made 8 & 9 traits sets so average. We were promised crafting would have the strongest armors, but thats just not true.

Just use the six trait sets, a mix of two of them and you are laughing.
(hopefully when we can craft jewellery we can use the six trait set on those as well, allowing us two full set and two pieces from a third)

guybrushtb16_ESO

indigoblades wrote: »

I think they mislead crafters when they made 8 & 9 traits sets so average. We were promised crafting would have the strongest armors, but thats just not true.

Maybe not the 8 & 9 trait sets, but most good builds will want to use at least parts of some crafted sets like seducer, so that's something crafting has going for it at least.

AlnilamE

timidobserver wrote: »

I look forward to tinkering around with this set in March of next year, which will likely be when you can obtain it without people wanting you to trade your soul for it.

Give it a week or two. If you find a stone, you can already get something crafted with the trait for 3-5K. I have heard that the crafting writs will reward you with "resource node maps" sometimes, and that you can get nirncrux stones more easily there, so the price should come down.

Tavrin_Callas

That 2,3 & 4 set bonus is pretty poor, all stuff you can add to your armour with enchants anyway, and with all the decent enchants already having to be dumped on jewelry, it looks like any attempt to get a recovery or attack bonus will also be limited to just that if building with this set.

I suppose its one way to get people to use drinks instead of just food.

indigoblades

i guess if you are Stam based its much more useful, maybe even good if you use devines... i am magika & magika regin 1st, health second and 0 points in stam so its a downgrade for me.

indigoblades

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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indigoblades wrote: »

I think they mislead crafters when they made 8 & 9 traits sets so average. We were promised crafting would have the strongest armors, but thats just not true.

Just use the six trait sets, a mix of two of them and you are laughing.
(hopefully when we can craft jewellery we can use the six trait set on those as well, allowing us two full set and two pieces from a third)

I guess u missed my point because i agree with you. The 3 trait sets are very good & 5/6 trait sets great, often 3 mixes of 3 trait sets is best i agree ... the 8/9 trait are no better so whats the point in researching forever, Yes, i am whining because i kept 3 crafting skill research slots maxed from from day 1, instead of playing. Most of my research is done so i have time to play now. I laugh about it now and not upset anymore. i just think its a shame nothing has been released in 8/9 trait that people would be die'ng for.

PBpsy

It is a pretty bad set for dps. The Shadow/Thief combo was something I considered but you can get more crit , weapon/spell damage , stats or regen and some nice 5 set bonus and just go Shadow with divines.

AlexDougherty

indigoblades wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

indigoblades wrote: »

I think they mislead crafters when they made 8 & 9 traits sets so average. We were promised crafting would have the strongest armors, but thats just not true.

Just use the six trait sets, a mix of two of them and you are laughing.
(hopefully when we can craft jewellery we can use the six trait set on those as well, allowing us two full set and two pieces from a third)

I guess u missed my point because i agree with you. The 3 trait sets are very good & 5/6 trait sets great, often 3 mixes of 3 trait sets is best i agree ... the 8/9 trait are no better so whats the point in researching forever, Yes, i am whining because i kept 3 crafting skill research slots maxed from from day 1, instead of playing. Most of my research is done so i have time to play now. I laugh about it now and not upset anymore. i just think its a shame nothing has been released in 8/9 trait that people would be die'ng for.

Yeah, the later sets are rubbish, shame really.

I have most of my researching done (well on three characters) just a few traits left, and it's kind of disheartening.

indigoblades

LOL i am reading the post ... maybe its a good Swiss army knife set by changing mundas stones. If money is tight, it would only one require one set in legendary. Again much better for stam builds.... one can mix it with 4 peices if one is daggers or sword n board for 4 more bonus to optimize it a bit. Me, i would need to drop a spell damage damage jewelry enchant to buff my magicka regin. Also with staffs (or any other two handed weapon) one can only mix in 3 more bonuses.

hammer_fella

I like the set, personally. I am not of the opinion that a 9 trait set should be such an obvious choice that everyone simply has to obtain one because it is so powerful. That would be boring and counter-intuitive to the diversity ZOS is trying to promote in combat. Twice-Born is well-rounded overall with lots of potential opportunity for players to customize it to fit their respective builds. For the min-maxers maybe this isn't the ideal choice for you, but who cares? Other options exist and I think this is a fun and inventive addition (provided it works).

AlexDougherty

hammer_fella wrote: »

I like the set, personally. I am not of the opinion that a 9 trait set should be such an obvious choice that everyone simply has to obtain one because it is so powerful. That would be boring and counter-intuitive to the diversity ZOS is trying to promote in combat. Twice-Born is well-rounded overall with lots of potential opportunity for players to customize it to fit their respective builds. For the min-maxers maybe this isn't the ideal choice for you, but who cares? Other options exist and I think this is a fun and inventive addition (provided it works).

Actually what most of think is that the Higher number of traits sets are not specific enough, what we were expecting is sets that lend themselves more to the classes/roles.

It's not about the numbers so much, more about the synergies, they are all built for broader ranges of builds.

killedbyping

AlnilamE wrote: »

A friend is excited about trying a combo if Thief and Shadow for his NB DPS.

I can see how a Atronach/Ritual combo might be good for a healer, and a Lord/Lady for a tank.

It will be interesting to see what combinations people come up with.

And how Health\Magicka\Stamina bonuses going to compensate weapon damage, healing power,regen or spell crit your losing by wearing this nonsense ?

You lose more crit by switching your aether or any other crafted crit gear for that 2 mundus.

KBKB

killedbyping wrote: »

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AlnilamE wrote: »

A friend is excited about trying a combo if Thief and Shadow for his NB DPS.

I can see how a Atronach/Ritual combo might be good for a healer, and a Lord/Lady for a tank.

It will be interesting to see what combinations people come up with.

And how Health\Magicka\Stamina bonuses going to compensate weapon damage, healing power,regen or spell crit your losing by wearing this nonsense ?

You lose more crit by switching your aether or any other crafted crit gear for that 2 mundus.

My point when i started this thread. I just can't see any REALY benefit of this 9 trait to even a 3 trait.

Gyudan

I just tried the full set: 2 boons active at the moment. More testing results soon.

PBpsy

Gyudan wrote: »

I just tried the full set: 2 boons active at the moment. More testing results soon.

Since it was one of the sets you couldn't test on PTS you must have loads of fun.

AlexDougherty

Black-Bird wrote: »

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killedbyping wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

A friend is excited about trying a combo if Thief and Shadow for his NB DPS.

I can see how a Atronach/Ritual combo might be good for a healer, and a Lord/Lady for a tank.

It will be interesting to see what combinations people come up with.

And how Health\Magicka\Stamina bonuses going to compensate weapon damage, healing power,regen or spell crit your losing by wearing this nonsense ?

You lose more crit by switching your aether or any other crafted crit gear for that 2 mundus.

My point when i started this thread. I just can't see any REALY benefit of this 9 trait to even a 3 trait.

Well, If you have it in combinatrion with another set, and only take Twice born set up to four pieces, then it could really boost your stats, especially with Nirnhoned Trait.

Not saying it's enough, what with you loosing out on boosts to damage/healing/etc, but I am playing Devils advocate.

KBKB

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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Black-Bird wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

A friend is excited about trying a combo if Thief and Shadow for his NB DPS.

I can see how a Atronach/Ritual combo might be good for a healer, and a Lord/Lady for a tank.

It will be interesting to see what combinations people come up with.

And how Health\Magicka\Stamina bonuses going to compensate weapon damage, healing power,regen or spell crit your losing by wearing this nonsense ?

You lose more crit by switching your aether or any other crafted crit gear for that 2 mundus.

My point when i started this thread. I just can't see any REALY benefit of this 9 trait to even a 3 trait.

Well, If you have it in combinatrion with another set, and only take Twice born set up to four pieces, then it could really boost your stats, especially with Nirnhoned Trait.

Not saying it's enough, what with you loosing out on boosts to damage/healing/etc, but I am playing Devils advocate.

Arena set would do the same?

Just Nirnhoned is a pita to obtain and then research 9 trait sets should be a kittens whisker above the rest imo

AlexDougherty

Black-Bird wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

A friend is excited about trying a combo if Thief and Shadow for his NB DPS.

I can see how a Atronach/Ritual combo might be good for a healer, and a Lord/Lady for a tank.

It will be interesting to see what combinations people come up with.

And how Health\Magicka\Stamina bonuses going to compensate weapon damage, healing power,regen or spell crit your losing by wearing this nonsense ?

You lose more crit by switching your aether or any other crafted crit gear for that 2 mundus.

My point when i started this thread. I just can't see any REALY benefit of this 9 trait to even a 3 trait.

Well, If you have it in combinatrion with another set, and only take Twice born set up to four pieces, then it could really boost your stats, especially with Nirnhoned Trait.

Not saying it's enough, what with you loosing out on boosts to damage/healing/etc, but I am playing Devils advocate.

Arena set would do the same?

Just Nirnhoned is a pita to obtain and then research 9 trait sets should be a kittens whisker above the rest imo

Agreed, as I said earlier, it's too generic for an ultimate crafted set, we want more sets that lend to the flavour of the class skill lines.

KenjiJU

The 2-4 bonuses are too bland. What they could've done was add two bonuses to each rank, eg. +health/+health regen, +stam/regen, +mag/regen. Maybe about 65% in strength of what they usually are.

AlexDougherty

KenjiJU wrote: »

The 2-4 bonuses are too bland. What they could've done was add two bonuses to each rank, eg. +health/+health regen, +stam/regen, +mag/regen. Maybe about 65% in strength of what they usually are.

That could work quite nice, I use a set with a boost to regeneration rates myself, so this would appeal.

NukaCola

Getting Nirncrux stones is not a problem these days. The daily crafting quests can set you up for 10 stones per day. I recently got 9 from the survey maps in 24h. The problem is the 30 days it takes to research them!!!