How Dare You

decado0024_ESO

I just read the "tenetive" patch notes for 1.4.2 set to hit the game sometime early mid September. There are a few changes that are not bad in particular the streak nerf (finally) so many fails that just streak and streak and streak and streak and bats. If u haven't read the notes yet streak can only effect 6 targets now. However the issue I wanted to address is the NB nerf. How dare you. Come patch day the movement speed buff from nights silence set will not work in conjunction with the speed bonus from vamp. I fail to see how that is even an issue in need of nerf in the first place. And im not really upset about that although it was very nice to be able to play as a proper nightblade and kill -fade away-relocate-kill. was actually fun when u solo. but the fact that the "nbs are as fast as my horse" issue is higher on ur radar than issues like dragonknights leaping up into the keep before any door is open makes me sick. This buff to stam builds that was proclaimed ended up just making magic uses implement bows into their builds. 9 outta 10 ppl still wear majority light armor and can still withstand a nb slamming daggers into their guts just fine. How do they do this? Oh that's right perma block instead of active blocking, use of immovable without a single piece of heavy armor. But don't worry we will raise the lvl cap. It's almost like the real pvp oriented players get ignored while the kids that just want to faceroll their kb get whatever they want . Please balance the game we all love.

kijima

Correct, they listen to the whingers that make the most noise.

eNumbra

I regret that I can only agree but once.

Rylana

To be honest, this is the exact reason I never invested, because I knew full well it couldnt have been intended that youd have a build making you so fast you could literally outrun a full speed specced light horse while stealthed.

Ever since the first time I saw it, I knew this was going in the garbage can, and honestly I cant say I feel for those that did invest into it, too much. I mean you didnt see this coming?

To be completely blunt, and this part is absolutely not directed at you, Dec, but the majority of the angry posts about balance/nerfs on this forum are from people that wantonly abuse the most imbalanced and powerful mechanics (ie streak/bats) and then somehow expect that isnt going to get shut down at some point. Same for ultimate redux builds, old school standard spam, the nerf coming for spell resist penetration light armor passive, etc.

It just blows my mind that so many people throw an absolute hissy fit that their latest I-win button is getting trashcanned, they never seem to realize its their abuse of it that caused it to become FOTM, known, reported, and therefore adjusted. perhaps if people didnt so liberally abuse every little advantage, especially the extreme ones we have seen in the recent past, things like this wouldnt happen as often as they do.

Perhaps it is time for the playerbase to stop trying to find the next super synergy, and focus on core skill building like is the norm in other games.

Zadian

decado0024_ESO wrote: »

… There are a few changes that are not bad in particular the streak nerf (finally) so many fails that just streak and streak and streak and streak and bats. … However the issue I wanted to address is the NB nerf. How dare you. … it was very nice to be able to play as a proper nightblade and kill -fade away-relocate-kill. …

Just exchange streak nerf with NB nerf and you might get the idea…

So sad that your chance to run away from a fight in PvP is now slightly lower. How dare they.

decado0024_ESO

Rylana wrote: »

To be honest, this is the exact reason I never invested, because I knew full well it couldnt have been intended that youd have a build making you so fast you could literally outrun a full speed specced light horse while stealthed.

Ever since the first time I saw it, I knew this was going in the garbage can, and honestly I cant say I feel for those that did invest into it, too much. I mean you didnt see this coming?

To be completely blunt, and this part is absolutely not directed at you, Dec, but the majority of the angry posts about balance/nerfs on this forum are from people that wantonly abuse the most imbalanced and powerful mechanics (ie streak/bats) and then somehow expect that isnt going to get shut down at some point. Same for ultimate redux builds, old school standard spam, the nerf coming for spell resist penetration light armor passive, etc.

It just blows my mind that so many people throw an absolute hissy fit that their latest I-win button is getting trashcanned, they never seem to realize its their abuse of it that caused it to become FOTM, known, reported, and therefore adjusted. perhaps if people didnt so liberally abuse every little advantage, especially the extreme ones we have seen in the recent past, things like this wouldnt happen as often as they do.

Perhaps it is time for the playerbase to stop trying to find the next super synergy, and focus on core skill building like is the norm in other games.

the trade off of the speed was a serious decrease in damage output. I myself wear the 5 piece shadow walker and the 5 piece night silence I trade out night silence when im stationary for 5 piece hunding rage. the dps output is dramatic so again nerfing something that is already balanced is crazy. and for the record lol wearing night silence with vamp and conc wpn I can not out run a full fed speed horse. I can catch them when they are out of stamina but that's it. and again once I catch them im not really putting out great dps due to the set not being very good in a fight. its mainly a travel set and there is nothing stopping all the other classes from making in in cloth and having the same effect lol. I just wanted to point out that the fact that this was so high on their list of things to fix over idk the fact that dark cloak doesn't work anymore is offensive.

polar

Rylana- what makes you think you can outrun a full spec speed horse? Making stuff up doesn't help your point. I use the vamp+Nights Silence+concealed weapon and I can keep up with a standard horse ... when they sprint I can keep up except for when I need to recharge stamina (which they do not need to do). A speed horse will slowly gain ground on me/slowly get away from me. A speed horse sprinting will pretty quickly gain ground on me/get away. A fully leveled speed horse is a lost cause once it gets in front of me. You should really check your facts before chiming in a something you clearly don't know much about.

Huntler

Little melodramatic aren't we?

xaraan

Eh. as a NB, I'm glad this nerf came along, it was a bit over the top. Also, expected - nobody should be shocked to see this coming.

Nala_

"HOW DARE YOU" he says

LMAOO

Chillic

Rylana wrote: »

To be honest, this is the exact reason I never invested, because I knew full well it couldnt have been intended that youd have a build making you so fast you could literally outrun a full speed specced light horse while stealthed.

Ever since the first time I saw it, I knew this was going in the garbage can, and honestly I cant say I feel for those that did invest into it, too much. I mean you didnt see this coming?

To be completely blunt, and this part is absolutely not directed at you, Dec, but the majority of the angry posts about balance/nerfs on this forum are from people that wantonly abuse the most imbalanced and powerful mechanics (ie streak/bats) and then somehow expect that isnt going to get shut down at some point. Same for ultimate redux builds, old school standard spam, the nerf coming for spell resist penetration light armor passive, etc.

It just blows my mind that so many people throw an absolute hissy fit that their latest I-win button is getting trashcanned, they never seem to realize its their abuse of it that caused it to become FOTM, known, reported, and therefore adjusted. perhaps if people didnt so liberally abuse every little advantage, especially the extreme ones we have seen in the recent past, things like this wouldnt happen as often as they do.

Perhaps it is time for the playerbase to stop trying to find the next super synergy, and focus on core skill building like is the norm in other games.

Are you really calling this an 'I win' button? I knew this was getting nerfed as well but I am not going as far to say its helping anyone win. Escape maybe and that is if our dumb ass cloaking skill works. If someone loses a fight because the other guy had this set, they were already gonna lose. And the whole faster than a sprinting horse argument... its a vampire, which should be pretty damn fast especially if you put fire in my damn face, that *** hurts. There are many skills ruining the balance but this stacking isn't one of them.

Mjollo

Zadian wrote: »

So sad that your chance to run away from a fight in PvP is now slightly lower. How dare they.

You've obviously never used the set before nor bothered to look it up. You don't get the speed buff while in combat. When you cloak in a fight, the only sneak bonus you can keep active is concealed weapon. So no, "[our] chances of running away" are not affected.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

The idiotic thing is that this was questioned and questioned and questioned prior to release so that people wouldn't be wasting time and mats by making the set. Then Zeni go and undo it.

The set is pretty useless for combat as pointed out - just positioning prior to combat and travel in general. I don't use it except for gathering mats in PvE so it doesn't bother me (and my sub is up anyway) but it's yet another clueless Zeni process demonstrating their utter incompetence. To achieve this level of failure with the awesome base of a game they had is quite an achievement.

Soliss

The Night SIlence set change in 1.4.2 is not an NB nerf, it's a Vampire nerf. There is a difference.

Zadian

Defialed wrote: »

Zadian wrote: »

So sad that your chance to run away from a fight in PvP is now slightly lower. How dare they.

You've obviously never used the set before nor bothered to look it up. You don't get the speed buff while in combat. When you cloak in a fight, the only sneak bonus you can keep active is concealed weapon. So no, "[our] chances of running away" are not affected.

I used that set, I know that set and I wrote "run away from combat" not "run out of combat" - I think that's a difference, and an important one.
I find it slightly amusing that vampire NBs make such a noise about not being able to move almost as fast as a running horse while sneaking.

Mjollo

Zadian wrote: »

Defialed wrote: »

Zadian wrote: »

So sad that your chance to run away from a fight in PvP is now slightly lower. How dare they.

You've obviously never used the set before nor bothered to look it up. You don't get the speed buff while in combat. When you cloak in a fight, the only sneak bonus you can keep active is concealed weapon. So no, "[our] chances of running away" are not affected.

I used that set, I know that set and I wrote "run away from combat" not "run out of combat" - I think that's a difference, and an important one.
I find it slightly amusing that vampire NBs make such a noise about not being able to move almost as fast as a running horse while sneaking.

Either way, night's silence does not affect it at all while fighting or previously been in a fight.

decado0024_ESO

The point I was trying to make when I started this thread was it is offensive that this a relatively newly changed set that IS NOT overpowered in anyway is so high on their nerf radar when very key points of the game NEED work . Dragonknights can leap up onto keeps. streak stuns repeatedly. blazing shield can use siege damage friendly siege damage against melee players. For Christ sake dark cloak is still broken. but this speed set is of more importance than any of those issues. That is what is offensive.

Yusuf

polar wrote: »

Rylana- what makes you think you can outrun a full spec speed horse? Making stuff up doesn't help your point. I use the vamp+Nights Silence+concealed weapon and I can keep up with a standard horse ... when they sprint I can keep up except for when I need to recharge stamina (which they do not need to do). A speed horse will slowly gain ground on me/slowly get away from me. A speed horse sprinting will pretty quickly gain ground on me/get away. A fully leveled speed horse is a lost cause once it gets in front of me. You should really check your facts before chiming in a something you clearly don't know much about.

Just cast retreating maneuver and drink a speedpotion, there you go.

Makkir

This has GOT to be a troll attempt

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Makkir wrote: »

This has GOT to be a troll attempt

No. ZOS is serious.

Komma

It has nothing to do with nb's. It makes the vamp speed buff not stack with other stealth speed buffs. This is a fix not a nerf.

I've never seen a bigger bunch of whiners than I see on these forums. No wonder the devs have pretty much stopped talking to us on here.

Garion

Thanks for nerfing the class skill of sorcs, as I do not play that class. But how dare you nerf MY class.

FTFY, troll

Bramir

This has everything to do with broken vampires (along with half the other exploits in this game) and little to nothing to do with NBs.

decado0024_ESO

I love how ppl completely ignore the heart and soul of the post and use it to trash one another. Again the fact that the out of combat movement speed was so high of a priority over other aspects of the game that are broken is offensive.

Lionxoft

decado0024_ESO wrote: »

I just read the "tenetive" patch notes for 1.4.2 set to hit the game sometime early mid September. There are a few changes that are not bad in particular the streak nerf (finally) so many fails that just streak and streak and streak and streak and bats.

You're wrong.

It's streak 'n bats 'n streak 'n bats 'n. Reminds me of the beat boots 'n cats 'n boots 'n cats 'n.

Pretty sure the streakers are on a rhythm too

decado0024_ESO

lol