New Weapon Suggestion - Scythe !

Phantax

I've always liked the scythe as a weapon in games. Personally I think it's a very cool and intimidating looking weapon. Frankly it surprised me ESO didn't put them in the game to start? However, with that in mind here are some pics and possible associated races to go with them -

Breton-


Barbaric-


Khajiit-


Daedric-


Imperial-


Orc-


Nord-


High Elf-


Primal-


Wood Elf-


Redguard-


Ancient Elf-


Dark Elf-



Animations wouldn't be a problem, those already used for 2-hand weapons and Staff weapons would cover it. Melee range isn't affected, a scythe is no longer than a staff or greatsword.
Skill-tree could be new or same as the staff (in the way a greatsword / battleaxe use the same skill-tree)
Adding scythes should not really affect anything in the game, other than adding a really cool looking cosmetic addition AND allowing players to further personalise their characters !

Aett_Thorn

I'd much rather they added spears first than Scythes. As cool as scythes are, they aren't really a practical weapon, despite fantasy games trying to suggest that they are. They are a tool for harvesting grain. Warscythes are possible, but then they're more like a long spear anyways.

ItsRejectz

Scythe's for me wouldnt really fit in with the game...Spears should definitely be added though

UrQuan

There's a reason why scythes weren't used in war IRL. They're totally impractical as weapons. When scythes were all that were available to arm peasants with, they would remove the blades, and mount them on poles in a vertical fashion, rather than perpendicular to the pole (as you would see in a regular scythe). The fauchard developed from this practice.

kirnmalidus

I think what you are looking for is a Halberd or Glaive type weapon. These were actually used in combat. Scythes are a farming tool.

And in general, at this point in the game's development, no. Balance the existing weapons and magicka/stamina issues first.

Koshchei

Yes to scythes!

Inasmuch as farmer's tools aren't practical in a military context, neither are brooms or smocks, yet high level veteran content might as well be a drag queen fashion parade.

rynth

1. spears
2. I like the scythes too
3. kamas
4. katanas
5. hand and half sword a change up to the overly large great swords
6. short swords
7. crossbow
8. flail

Phantax

rynth wrote: »

1. spears
2. I like the scythes too
3. kamas
4. katanas
5. hand and half sword a change up to the overly large great swords
6. short swords
7. crossbow
8. flail

Crossbow and Katana definitely ! Katana being another that should have been in from the start !

kewl

Really nice collection of images. Your Breton model is my favorite. Would be really cool if ZOS added a polearm weapon type and skill tree. Perhaps some day.......



Check out War Scythes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe

DanteVFenris

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

I'd much rather they added spears first than Scythes. As cool as scythes are, they aren't really a practical weapon, despite fantasy games trying to suggest that they are. They are a tool for harvesting grain. Warscythes are possible, but then they're more like a long spear anyways.

Not a practical weapon. You dodge a sword with the metal part of your staff. Then the scythe blade part pulls back. Your sword is already blocking, so your only options are to be impaled or very fast thinking and body.

Sources: plastic sword fighting with my brothers. Scythe wins everytime.

DanteVFenris

Also because a scythe weighs less, it means you can increase the range(have longer scythes) with not too much stress on body as well have faster strokes with a very unpredictable weapon

Mitrenga

Nice toothpicks.

UrQuan

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Also because a scythe weighs less, it means you can increase the range(have longer scythes) with not too much stress on body as well have faster strokes with a very unpredictable weapon

Um, what? Scythes are heavy... Have you ever held a real one?

DanteVFenris

Ur-Quan wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Also because a scythe weighs less, it means you can increase the range(have longer scythes) with not too much stress on body as well have faster strokes with a very unpredictable weapon

Um, what? Scythes are heavy... Have you ever held a real one?

Their heavy but depending on the sword a sword can be heavier. Or maybe I've been watching too much beserk with his massive sword. Then if you are using a smaller sword a scythe will have more range.

Aett_Thorn

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

I'd much rather they added spears first than Scythes. As cool as scythes are, they aren't really a practical weapon, despite fantasy games trying to suggest that they are. They are a tool for harvesting grain. Warscythes are possible, but then they're more like a long spear anyways.

Not a practical weapon. You dodge a sword with the metal part of your staff. Then the scythe blade part pulls back. Your sword is already blocking, so your only options are to be impaled or very fast thinking and body.

Sources: plastic sword fighting with my brothers. Scythe wins everytime.

Ah, yes, plastic sword fights, a great source of information. Quite unlike the hundreds of historical sources where only peasants used scythes, and even then they had to convert them for use as a weapon.

Selique

I'm all about diversity in weapons (You forgot a few races in the pics too, Argonian pops into mind.)

But like others have said, Scythes just aren't that good of a weapon. Spears, katanas, flails, and smaller greatswords sound good though!

Surinen

you say scythe and I can accept it, although I would never lower myself to use a weapon of peasants and rabble of all mudded sorts.

give me a tower shield and three headed flail firstly and I shall bless your idea.
or maybe give me this^ and spear-1h+2h and twinblade and bo staff and then I shall blless it!

ah yes, and definately Bow of Auri-El

UrQuan

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Also because a scythe weighs less, it means you can increase the range(have longer scythes) with not too much stress on body as well have faster strokes with a very unpredictable weapon

Um, what? Scythes are heavy... Have you ever held a real one?

Their heavy but depending on the sword a sword can be heavier. Or maybe I've been watching too much beserk with his massive sword. Then if you are using a smaller sword a scythe will have more range.

Yeah, no, that's just not true.

For an example, the Scottish claymore is on the larger side when it comes to swords, with a blade that averages a bit under 4 feet long. The average claymore would weigh about 5.5 lbs. The average scythe has a shaft about 6-7 feet long (because of the angle of the blade, the length of the blade really isn't relevant), but because of the way you need to hold it if you want to have any control, you're only going to get about the same reach as you would with a claymore. That scythe would weigh roughly double what the claymore weighs, and be far slower and more cumbersome to use.

kewl

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Sources: plastic sword fighting with my brothers. Scythe wins every time.

Very funny! +5 bacon.

Phantax

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Sources: plastic sword fighting with my brothers. Scythe wins everytime.

I hope it was a Plastic Inferno Sword...lol

Shunravi

Ur-Quan wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Also because a scythe weighs less, it means you can increase the range(have longer scythes) with not too much stress on body as well have faster strokes with a very unpredictable weapon

Um, what? Scythes are heavy... Have you ever held a real one?

Their heavy but depending on the sword a sword can be heavier. Or maybe I've been watching too much beserk with his massive sword. Then if you are using a smaller sword a scythe will have more range.

Yeah, no, that's just not true.

For an example, the Scottish claymore is on the larger side when it comes to swords, with a blade that averages a bit under 4 feet long. The average claymore would weigh about 5.5 lbs. The average scythe has a shaft about 6-7 feet long (because of the angle of the blade, the length of the blade really isn't relevant), but because of the way you need to hold it if you want to have any control, you're only going to get about the same reach as you would with a claymore. That scythe would weigh roughly double what the claymore weighs, and be far slower and more cumbersome to use.

The thing with impractical weapons (the ones you can actually handle that is) is that if you spent enough time and effort in to learning how to use it, you could be quite effective with it. Problem is, by the time you have mastered effective use of a clumsy weapon like a sythe, the other guy has probably mastered use of a sword, a spear, and a bow. You only end up handicapping yourself. The only benifit to using an unconventional weapon like that is that your enemy will not be familiar with its use, allowing you the element of surprise. Against an experienced weaponsmaster, this advantage disappears very quickly.
Nunchucks and sai are such weapons. Yes, they are widely taught in some schools, but that does not exclude them from being unconventional and difficult to master. The nunchaku, origonaly a tool for threshing grain, has as good a chance to injure the user as the oponent until it is mastered. It is in essence a blunt flail, and a shortstaff could produce a similar effect with greater controll (ex.Shillelagh)
The sai by design is better suited as a parrying/disarming tool than a dagger. The tines are more likely to get in the way during any thrust or slash, as they are protruding from the center, causing a leverageing effect which can twist it to an undesired angle.
Both of these weapons can be deadly in the hands of a master, but they take time. The biggest advantage of spears is that they can reach combat proficiency within a week of training.
So I guess that's my 2¢

Edit: from a physics standpiont, to be able to even wield something like the dragonslayer or the buster sword, you would need to be as big as the hulk. And I'm not just talking about strength. You would need to weigh at least a ton to be able to counterbalance the forces applied by the weapon. Otherwise you would be throwing yourself across the room rather than swinging such a weapon.

Booba

Orc-style scythe comes with the girl?

But to be serious I'd like to see an arsenal variety of Morrowind.

Phantax

Thankfully this is a Fantasy MMO, unconventional works fine for me. Hell I'm already using a stick that has flames on it and shoots fire...lol
The scythe (IMO) just looks cooler

Madval

Crossbow, halberd and Spears please

Nox_Aeterna

Yeah , polearms , spears even scythes would all be cool.

The one i really want to most is the spear , but anything along those lines would already be a great plus.

f0rc3503ub17_ESO

A Scythe doesn't seem very Elder-Scrolls-Like to me, personally... Scythes as weapons seem to be going more along the lines of certain popular animes (Soul Eater, for example) and other fantasy genres/games (TERA: Rising)... Let's try not to deviate away from the Elder Scrolls feel...

What I would be interested in seeing, is a weapon skill line based upon a 1-handed sword/axe/mace build with your offhand being free... So basically, sword and board without the board...

The reason why I say this is because it seems that a lot of npc's in this game tend to go the route of having a 1-handed sword and nothing in their off-hand... It would be interesting to provide this to the game to add more customization. Perhaps it could integrate punching/kicking into the skills as a source of damage/interrupt?

Another alternative would be a Spear weapon skill line (as has been mentioned several times in this post thus far) which I have seen examples in-game with npc's sparring outside of the warrior's guild in Skywatch (one appeared to be wielding a spear).

However, since the game is still technically in its beginning stages, I wouldn't be surprised if more weapon skill lines were released later on.

Oberstein

Soul shriven axe looks like real scythe

ZOS_RikardD

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