RIP SORC!

Ryuho

Conjured Ward: Reduced the duration of this ability and the Hardened Ward morph to 6 seconds from 20 seconds.
Empowered Ward (Conjured Ward morph): Reduced the duration of this morph to 8 seconds from 20 seconds.

Idk what to say..

bloodenragedb14_ESO

a bad move in my opinion

AfkNinja

If it's too much I'm sure they will scale it back based on PTS feedback. Wait till we try out the changes and give your feedback.

jcaceresw

What the hell? I hope its a typo. I will give feedback. Just remember, in Cyrodiil shields are 50% lower so this new change will make us sorc a easy prey.

ZOS_GinaBruno

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

DDemon

I will have to see how this works out. Generally in a fight hardened ward only lasts a couple of seconds anyway, will be hard to keep it up non stop now though, so sorcs will have to invest in some health points now.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

i did, and the ward change is the only one i take issue with. i believe a far more reasonable change is 10 sec and 12 sec, the way it is now is just far far far to much of a reduction

ArvenAldmeri

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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

I did read whole sorc patch notes and this is too much of a nerf! Sorc does not have any other decent defence and you cant spam ultimate to heal yourself! Rip my sorc. I am not playing it anymore. I now think of quitting the game overall with this change. I was sub till now but this is making me lose complete interrest since my main is a sorc.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

honestly id prefer it not be reduced at all, that was never the issue with the skill in the first place

ZOS_GinaBruno

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

i did, and the ward change is the only one i take issue with. i believe a far more reasonable change is 10 sec and 12 sec, the way it is now is just far far far to much of a reduction

That's fair. Shields as a whole is something that got changed so it's worth trying these out (maybe even in Cyrodiil against other players) to see how it feels. We'll be publishing individual feedback threads for all the classes in a bit, and you can post your thoughts there after giving it a test run.

ginoboehm

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

why do you buff dks and nbs in the stamina field sooooooo much while they are already the two dominating stamina classes?

olsborg

Annulment changes are also bad, now protects against all dmg, can be stacked with all other shields. Also, bone shield is the only shield stamina users have and its behind a big grind for undaunted points for ppl who strictly want to pvp.

Lucky28

Really hope that change does not go live. way to much of a pain in the ass wouldn't really effect combat, it would just be a pain in the ass pure and simple.

strikeback1247

My stam NB and stam DK are enjoying themselves very VERY much

flguy147ub17_ESO

Obsidian shield for DKs got changed to 6 secs too so it's not like that just went after Sorcs.

Arkvoril

I seriously read that part like three times before reality set in.

ginoboehm

you guys realize that you can cast even bigger shields now? harness magicka protects against physical damage now too. the recasting will be annoying tho but since the shields can absorb more now it should work out to actually be stronger. stamina sorcs are *****d tho

ArvenAldmeri

ginoboehm wrote: »

you guys realize that you can cast even bigger shields now? harness magicka protects against physical damage now too. the recasting will be annoying tho but since the shields can absorb more now it should work out to actually be stronger. stamina sorcs are *****d tho

Do you realize that stacking those shields would be only pain since just after you put them all on you can cast maybe two skills and then recast the shields again....

bloodenragedb14_ESO

ginoboehm wrote: »

you guys realize that you can cast even bigger shields now? harness magicka protects against physical damage now too. the recasting will be annoying tho but since the shields can absorb more now it should work out to actually be stronger. stamina sorcs are *****d tho

they still only last 6 seconds, and that is the issue

Tyrion87

If these changes go live, I'm done with this game.

Rylana

I cackle with glee at the sorc changes. You fools that see only duration as something important have no idea how strong all flavors of sorc just became.

Between skill stacks, timed rotation, and proper gear, the sorc has returned to glory.

Derra

Well now you can still go into infinityshieldstacking with dampen + hardened if reg is enough. Now both protects against every dmg type.

Shieldbreaker is gonna be soooooooooooooooooooooooooo popular suddenly.

Lucky28

Tyrion87 wrote: »

If these changes go live, I'm done with this game.

I'm in the same position. I am not down with this.

JD2013

Rylana wrote: »

I cackle with glee at the sorc changes. You fools that see only duration as something important have no idea how strong all flavors of sorc just became.

Between skill stacks, timed rotation, and proper gear, the sorc has returned to glory.

Exactly. Reducing the duration of Hardened Ward does not really harm my Sorc at all. If they choose to up the duration again from feedback, all well and good. Otherwise it is no huge loss.

CyrusArya

From what I can tell, shields are still stackable, still cannot be critically hit, and harness absorbs physical damage as well now. Also consider that in an actual combat situation where you are under pressure, hardened wouldn't last much more than 6 seconds anyways.

All they did was bring the duration of the shield in line with other shields (still by far the strongest), while making shield stacking stronger than ever. If you think this is a nerf to sorcs, I'm the one that doesn't know what to say.

Lucky28

CyrusArya wrote: »

From what I can tell, shields are still stackable, still cannot be critically hit, and harness absorbs physical damage as well now. Also consider that in an actual combat situation where you are under pressure, hardened wouldn't last much more than 6 seconds anyways.

All they did was bring the duration of the shield in line with other shields (still by far the strongest), while making shield stacking stronger than ever. If you think this is a nerf to sorcs, I'm the one that doesn't know what to say.

No i already said it doesn't effect combat much. it's a pain in the ass and that's all it is.

Valrien

@ZOS_GinaBruno Do the devs at ZOS have any intention of buffing the overall DPS of Sorcerers? With all these stamina changes, now Mag Sorc (maybe Stam sorc?) is/are the worst for competitive DPS on PvE.

Abeille

I'm still trying to get over the fact that vampires can't have all their passives working at the same time now.

But yes, that change to Conjured Ward is awful.

LizardThixvim

GOOD a good way to handle shield stacking i like

GreatWhite000

as a PvPer and a PvEer that plays multiple classes, I have to say that the nerf to mag sorc's shields is rather unfortunate as it was really what made them "unique". Let's not even mention how there was only 1 change to stamina sorcs and it still sucks...

Khaos_Bane

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It's also worth noting that there were many, many other changes to Sorcerers - not just the two listed in the first post. It may be worth looking at all the changes as a bigger picture, and remembering those while testing out the changes on the PTS.

I looked at the other changes and nothing compensates survivability unless you want to count increased health with a summoned pet. Pets have pathing issues and die quickly, please don't turn the sorc into a pet class.

The reduction in duration is FAR too much.