Account suspended for grinding bosses in Craglorn - Loyal fan and customer for over 20 years

Iorail · May 2014

This issue in particular is the prime example of what is been going on with ESO. To clear things up, if you google craglorn exploit you will get instructions to do exactly what you did, word by word, on the first 7 results..... all in hacker/exploits sites. I will not post the specifics here but apparently a Vr1 character can get ported to this dungeon in Craglorn, and go from Vr1 to Vr12 in a matter or hours cause everything gives 10k to 12k exp a kill. Mind you that this in the Vr12 zone of Craglorn. Also, the amount of loot gather from this trash mobs and the bosses is so great, that people can and will make millions in a few days, not counting the amount of crafting materials from deco that will ruin the economy (you can basically endlessly upgrade armor/weapons to legendary as the supply is limitless).

My problem with this is simple also, some abused it and got banned, they will eventually get unbanned and they will get to keep their rank, money and loot and ESO will patch it so others can't do it. Sorry if I have no sympathy for any of you, but you all the main cause of this game being on the state it is. You can say all you want that this is not an exploit and that you are doing nothing wrong, I disagree.

To quote one of the exploiters on one of those site: "Go nude if you can, spare your gear! The bosses drop pretty quick, I swapped out all my healing abilities for AOE as soon as I realized I was missing out on XP/lewts. SS Attached show the loop you will run from now until forever or we find a good xp sploit, they will patch this soon, hurry up and get rich while you can, if you get ban, appeal quick also..."

Now bring an argument that contradicts this and I'll listen, otherwise, you are exploiting and you know it very damn well.

Epona222 · May 2014

Beesting wrote: »

I stopped farming del's claim when i knew it was not how i was supposed to play the game.
Just like i don't just leave a shop without paying when there is nobody at the till.

I guess you consider leaving without paying to be fine as well, if the shopkeeper allows it (...)

What? I did Del's Claim multiple times. I didn't sit there and hover over the spawn point mind you, I did it a few times over a few days, just a straight runthrough each time, nothing that anyone going through the dungeon at the same time as me would have even noticed (unless they had camped in there for a period of several days). If that's exploiting then idkw.

ShuRun · May 2014

Iorail wrote: »

This issue in particular is the prime example of what is been going on with ESO. To clear things up, if you google craglorn exploit you will get instructions to do exactly what you did, word by word, on the first 7 results..... all in hacker/exploits sites. I will not post the specifics here but apparently a Vr1 character can get ported to this dungeon in Craglorn, and go from Vr1 to Vr12 in a matter or hours cause everything gives 10k to 12k exp a kill. Mind you that this in the Vr12 zone of Craglorn. Also, the amount of loot gather from this trash mobs and the bosses is so great, that people can and will make millions in a few days, not counting the amount of crafting materials from deco that will ruin the economy (you can basically endlessly upgrade armor/weapons to legendary as the supply is limitless)."

So, the supply of mats in the world is also limitless and you get yellow tempers from it. BY your insightful suggestion they should limit a player to collect 5-10-20 mats per day? That is not to ruin the economy. I play 15-16 hrs a day and have 2 VRs and maxed all skills - that means i should not be able to collect anything and make yellow items? Sometimes it is better to keep your personal opinion,Personal. or as NPCs say in the game - they will ask for it when they need it.

Epona222 · May 2014

ShuRun wrote: »

Iorail wrote: »

This issue in particular is the prime example of what is been going on with ESO. To clear things up, if you google craglorn exploit you will get instructions to do exactly what you did, word by word, on the first 7 results..... all in hacker/exploits sites. I will not post the specifics here but apparently a Vr1 character can get ported to this dungeon in Craglorn, and go from Vr1 to Vr12 in a matter or hours cause everything gives 10k to 12k exp a kill. Mind you that this in the Vr12 zone of Craglorn. Also, the amount of loot gather from this trash mobs and the bosses is so great, that people can and will make millions in a few days, not counting the amount of crafting materials from deco that will ruin the economy (you can basically endlessly upgrade armor/weapons to legendary as the supply is limitless)."

So, the supply of mats in the world is also limitless and you get yellow tempers from it. BY your insightful suggestion they should limit a player to collect 5-10-20 mats per day? That is not to ruin the economy. I play 15-16 hrs a day and have 2 VRs and maxed all skills - that means i should not be able to collect anything and make yellow items? Sometimes it is better to keep your personal opinion,Personal. or as NPCs say in the game - they will ask for it when they need it.

Also, if I knew of an exploit that would earn me more XP than the usual grind (I am not even talking about bypassing questing, because I like the quests, I am just a bit rubbish and therefore need to grind a bit - and I can't think of many games where that is forbidden!), I would be tempted.
The lesson that needs to be taken from this, is that people should be given and allowed different methods of leveling, rather than being forced into one path.

Ezze · May 2014

Zenimax are *** idiots... Craglorn is broken exp, broken loot... BROKEN.

So many people doing it now, cat is out of the bag.

Its not your fault, its the game *** fault for not testing ***. All you need is a group, not even a tank to do it... and spawn bosses ... as they created it.

I sent in like 6 reports of it over last night and today... its too late.

SO Craglorn is essentially, THE SAME GEAR, but V12 version... its *** game over imo.

Dzonatanos · May 2014

I can't login, I tried reinstall game, I used another computer and nothing. My ticket number 140524-023489 I will waiting to fast help or you lose next player who want to play this game many year. Bless you and good luck and I didn't go to Craglor, I have crash in the Stormhaven public dungeon

Iorail · May 2014

ShuRun wrote: »

Iorail wrote: »

This issue in particular is the prime example of what is been going on with ESO. To clear things up, if you google craglorn exploit you will get instructions to do exactly what you did, word by word, on the first 7 results..... all in hacker/exploits sites. I will not post the specifics here but apparently a Vr1 character can get ported to this dungeon in Craglorn, and go from Vr1 to Vr12 in a matter or hours cause everything gives 10k to 12k exp a kill. Mind you that this in the Vr12 zone of Craglorn. Also, the amount of loot gather from this trash mobs and the bosses is so great, that people can and will make millions in a few days, not counting the amount of crafting materials from deco that will ruin the economy (you can basically endlessly upgrade armor/weapons to legendary as the supply is limitless)."

So, the supply of mats in the world is also limitless and you get yellow tempers from it. BY your insightful suggestion they should limit a player to collect 5-10-20 mats per day? That is not to ruin the economy. I play 15-16 hrs a day and have 2 VRs and maxed all skills - that means i should not be able to collect anything and make yellow items? Sometimes it is better to keep your personal opinion,Personal. or as NPCs say in the game - they will ask for it when they need it.

Don't twist my words to defend this. Show me one place in the world were you can get millions in exp, hundreds upon hundreds of purples armor/weapons and millions of credits on the blue or less gear in money that you can gather in hours.

110 vet exp for 1 mob in the world
12,546 exp for 1 mob on this dungeon

Of course you want me to stay quiet, no need for you to loose on the exploit yet, right?

@ZOS_MichelleA you will see why they want to be unbanned asap as all people have to do is google it to make it even worst of what it is presently.

Slantasiam · May 2014

since I did all the quests there and got less then a full level what did they think we would do to get the other level?

Bangstin · May 2014

Don't worry, if you are innocent i'm sure they will unban you after checking the specifics.

One things confuses me though, why is 'Loyal fan and customer for over 20 years' relevant info in the matter. Is it like ' sorry i got caught stealing in your store but i've been coming here for years so you should let me off the hook' ?

Slantasiam · May 2014

Iorail wrote: »

This issue in particular is the prime example of what is been going on with ESO. To clear things up, if you google craglorn exploit you will get instructions to do exactly what you did, word by word, on the first 7 results..... all in hacker/exploits sites. I will not post the specifics here but apparently a Vr1 character can get ported to this dungeon in Craglorn, and go from Vr1 to Vr12 in a matter or hours cause everything gives 10k to 12k exp a kill. Mind you that this in the Vr12 zone of Craglorn. Also, the amount of loot gather from this trash mobs and the bosses is so great, that people can and will make millions in a few days, not counting the amount of crafting materials from deco that will ruin the economy (you can basically endlessly upgrade armor/weapons to legendary as the supply is limitless).

My problem with this is simple also, some abused it and got banned, they will eventually get unbanned and they will get to keep their rank, money and loot and ESO will patch it so others can't do it. Sorry if I have no sympathy for any of you, but you all the main cause of this game being on the state it is. You can say all you want that this is not an exploit and that you are doing nothing wrong, I disagree.

To quote one of the exploiters on one of those site: "Go nude if you can, spare your gear! The bosses drop pretty quick, I swapped out all my healing abilities for AOE as soon as I realized I was missing out on XP/lewts. SS Attached show the loop you will run from now until forever or we find a good xp sploit, they will patch this soon, hurry up and get rich while you can, if you get ban, appeal quick also..."

Now bring an argument that contradicts this and I'll listen, otherwise, you are exploiting and you know it very damn well.

lol what economy? only a few things sell in the game at all and those droprates have been nerfed into oblivion. motifs ...the only people that have them now are the people that own bots. what economy I ask? most of us are level 50 in all crafts I can deconstruct and get mats. what do you need to buy?

dcincali · May 2014

Wow, some of you guys are do dumb.. Just because one guy on youtube or some wikiwebsite calls something an exploit does not mean its an exploit...

Q: Is there a limit on how many times you can kill a dungeon boss, I read the code of conduct and it doesn't state anything about how many times x boss can be killed.

A: You are correct, sir! There is currently no limit to how many times you can kill a dungeon boss. You are free to explore a dungeon as many times as you wish.
However, the use of hacks, bots, automation devices, and other exploits are considered to be against the rules. If you discover an exploit within the game, report it so we may fix it. This also includes macros, speed hacks, fishing bots, mouse controllers, etc.

Hopefully this clarifies things for you! If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me again!

Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Warm Regards,

Doug

Iorail · May 2014

dcincali wrote: »

Wow, some of you guys are do dumb.. Just because one guy on youtube or some wikiwebsite calls something an exploit does not mean its an exploit...

Q: Is there a limit on how many times you can kill a dungeon boss, I read the code of conduct and it doesn't state anything about how many times x boss can be killed.

A: You are correct, sir! There is currently no limit to how many times you can kill a dungeon boss. You are free to explore a dungeon as many times as you wish.
However, the use of hacks, bots, automation devices, and other exploits are considered to be against the rules. If you discover an exploit within the game, report it so we may fix it. This also includes macros, speed hacks, fishing bots, mouse controllers, etc.

Hopefully this clarifies things for you! If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me again!

Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Warm Regards,

Doug

If you discover an exploit within the game, report it so we may fix it.

Did you missed that?

Iorail · May 2014

And as I was expecting, the thread is on "sunk mode", probably until after Monday, coincidence?

Zepheric · May 2014

Why are people so salty over this? ZOS already said there is no issue here, it's not an exploit if they designed a mechanic incorrectly.

This will likely just be added to a list to be fixed and it won't be doable anymore.

Quit whining so much.

Sang · May 2014

In another game i played they banned exploiters .. period
Cries of "But I didnt know it was an exploit" would arise but met with ..

"If loot/xp are abnormally higher then the rest of the game allows and you continue to use it instead of reporting it after the first/second time then its exploiting and you should know better"

Anything that allows gaining the last few levels of end game within a few hours is an EXPLOIT and there is simply no defense for it.

esoone · May 2014

Beesting wrote: »

I stopped farming del's claim when i knew it was not how i was supposed to play the game.
Just like i don't just leave a shop without paying when there is nobody at the till.

I guess you consider leaving without paying to be fine as well, if the shopkeeper allows it (...)

See this guy gets it. 100% Right. Good for zeni for banning exploiters.

Zepheric · May 2014

esoone wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I stopped farming del's claim when i knew it was not how i was supposed to play the game.
Just like i don't just leave a shop without paying when there is nobody at the till.

I guess you consider leaving without paying to be fine as well, if the shopkeeper allows it (...)

See this guy gets it. 100% Right. Good for zeni for banning exploiters.

LOL But what If I pay the shop keeper to look around his shop? Can I take stuff then?

KerisDoin · May 2014

dcincali wrote: »

Q: Is there a limit on how many times you can kill a dungeon boss, I read the code of conduct and it doesn't state anything about how many times x boss can be killed.

A: You are correct, sir! There is currently no limit to how many times you can kill a dungeon boss. You are free to explore a dungeon as many times as you wish.
However, the use of hacks, bots, automation devices, and other exploits are considered to be against the rules. If you discover an exploit within the game, report it so we may fix it. This also includes macros, speed hacks, fishing bots, mouse controllers, etc.

I think i read this quote somewhere before and this was about the bosses in solo dungeons, not group dungeons. In solo dungeons bosses dont give much exp, the huge amount of exp you get from killing a solo dungeon boss the first time is for the dungeon completion achievement. Also, solo dungeon bosses only have a low chance to drop a blue and a very low chance to get a purple. From all the solodungeons i finished (up to the v9 map since thats when i hit v10, even without any grinding) i maybe got 2-3 purples, a couple blues but from atleast 80% of them i didnt get anything besides a soulgem and a white/green. Yesterday i did 3 of the group dungeons in craglorn with my friends and those bosses are a whole different thing. They drop a purple almost every time, my friend even got two purples off 1 boss, and they give way more exp than solo dungeon bosses do.
I havent really heard about this before reading a post, but it seems pretty obvious that it wasnt intended, which for a fact makes it "exploiting" when you keep using it.

Slantasiam wrote: »

since I did all the quests there and got less then a full level what did they think we would do to get the other level?

From doing just 3 of the groupdungeons (i havent even finished any of the quests yet) im already almost half way to v11, so i think you would prolly be very close to v12 after finishing all of the dungeons and quests. Using "its the only way to level" as excuse to exploit a game is a pretty bad excuse.

Iorail · May 2014

Zepheric wrote: »

Why are people so salty over this? ZOS already said there is no issue here, it's not an exploit if they designed a mechanic incorrectly.

This will likely just be added to a list to be fixed and it won't be doable anymore.

Quit whining so much.

Sure they did, so explain why this thread, even after getting responses is sinking like a rock?
Explain how it's possible, without exploiting, to get 12 veteran levels in less than 24 hours?
and while you are at it, explain why should they just added to fix list and fixed it later without banning everyone and their mothers how used this exploit?

elorei · May 2014

Iorail wrote: »

Don't twist my words to defend this. Show me one place in the world were you can get millions in exp, hundreds upon hundreds of purples armor/weapons and millions of credits on the blue or less gear in money that you can gather in hours.

110 vet exp for 1 mob in the world
12,546 exp for 1 mob on this dungeon

I am getting 74k xp per anomaly (not including trash mobs, never bothered to add that up, I am talking just the crystal that doesn't even fight back, and the air atronach) and a chest each time. Chest normally has at least a soul gem and a blue, a green set item, or a purple. With my loot horse (which puts me at 149 carry capacity) I stopped even looting the greens from the chests, because I had over 40 epics and even more than that in blues in just a couple hours of playtime.

Slantasiam · May 2014

KerisDoin wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

Q: Is there a limit on how many times you can kill a dungeon boss, I read the code of conduct and it doesn't state anything about how many times x boss can be killed.

A: You are correct, sir! There is currently no limit to how many times you can kill a dungeon boss. You are free to explore a dungeon as many times as you wish.
However, the use of hacks, bots, automation devices, and other exploits are considered to be against the rules. If you discover an exploit within the game, report it so we may fix it. This also includes macros, speed hacks, fishing bots, mouse controllers, etc.

I think i read this quote somewhere before and this was about the bosses in solo dungeons, not group dungeons. In solo dungeons bosses dont give much exp, the huge amount of exp you get from killing a solo dungeon boss the first time is for the dungeon completion achievement. Also, solo dungeon bosses only have a low chance to drop a blue and a very low chance to get a purple. From all the solodungeons i finished (up to the v9 map since thats when i hit v10, even without any grinding) i maybe got 2-3 purples, a couple blues but from atleast 80% of them i didnt get anything besides a soulgem and a white/green. Yesterday i did 3 of the group dungeons in craglorn with my friends and those bosses are a whole different thing. They drop a purple almost every time, my friend even got two purples off 1 boss, and they give way more exp than solo dungeon bosses do.
I havent really heard about this before reading a post, but it seems pretty obvious that it wasnt intended, which for a fact makes it "exploiting" when you keep using it.

Slantasiam wrote: »

since I did all the quests there and got less then a full level what did they think we would do to get the other level?

From doing just 3 of the groupdungeons (i havent even finished any of the quests yet) im already almost half way to v11, so i think you would prolly be very close to v12 after finishing all of the dungeons and quests. Using "its the only way to level" as excuse to exploit a game is a pretty bad excuse.

what part of I turned everything white in the zone and only got to barley v11 didn't you understand?

ShuRun · May 2014

Please stop commenting unless you are lvl VR10-11-12. Otherwise you have no idea that bosses in solo dungeons do give over 50k xp per kill in vr9-10 areas.
Also, some quests do give 15k -30k 100 k xp per quest at VR10 lvl so by saying its too much xp you are actually showing to others that you are an idiot. Or please keep doing it - its is fun to read.
It is also interesting that no one mentions hours and days we spent doing over and over broken quests to get completion, getting bugged gear at VR7 in Cyro, getting low level/ bugged gear in higher veteran levels. But when finally the scales tip for VR players there is a rise of comments. Lol - i hope we all stay banned and forget about Elder Scrolls Offline after few month and find a better game to play with less idiots and more permanent structure.

KerisDoin · May 2014

Slantasiam wrote: »

what part of I turned everything white in the zone and only got to barley v11 didn't you understand?

That means you went to finish the v10-12 map before finishing your v1-10 maps, coz theres no way you would not be v12 after finishing all of that. So thats your fault, not the games.

ShuRun · May 2014

KerisDoin wrote: »

Slantasiam wrote: »

what part of I turned everything white in the zone and only got to barley v11 didn't you understand?

That means you went to finish the v10-12 map before finishing your v1-10 maps, coz theres no way you would not be v12 after finishing all of that. So thats your fault, not the games.

There are a lot of people who play mostly in Cyro and do daily quests there - and get to V12 without exploring dungeons or other zone - so what?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

KerisDoin · May 2014

ShuRun wrote: »

There are a lot of people who play mostly in Cyro and do daily quests there - and get to V12 without exploring dungeons or other zone - so what?

I am not sure what that has to do with the comment i replied this to, and also not sure why you are making personal insults.
Someone commented that he finished his craglorn map and isnt even v11, my comment was NEVER about people that level in Cryo. Please follow the conversation and read the quotes before insulting.

Moderator Edit: Edited quote from moderated post.

Beesting · May 2014

Removed comment because it is not a laughing matter.

Augustiine · May 2014

Guys, I do appreciate every post made on this topic. The reason I've opted to say that I have been playing this series for over 20 years is just to make sure people understand there is an affection history between me and these games. I'm not just a random dude who doesn't give a damn about ESO and is botting and exploiting the jell out of it. I really invested a lot of time and money on this character and I think my suspension has been extremely unfair.

To the ones saying that what I did was as exploit, guys, think about what you are saying. The boss gave me 37k experience per kill, nothing out of the ordinary. Every boss in craglorn is giving the same amount of experience and also the same loot. I just killed it repeatedly, something that is inherent to any MMO gameplay. If this is an exploit, repeating dungeons over and over again also is, doing anomalies and burial sites repeatedly also is. Repetitiveness is something common on these kind of games and I find extremely unfair that someone would come here and throw on my face that I exploited the game and should be banned for that.

Even though most posts here have been of encouragement and support for me, I'm really saddened by the ones who fail to see that there's a real person behind this story that just loves playing this game and has been suspended for doing what every other MMO player does.

Still waiting for a costumer support reply. Here's my ticket number again: Question Reference # 140524-010897

Iorail · May 2014

ShuRun wrote: »

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First off, you need to ease off on the insults because you are caught in a well deserve ban, and second, I am level and do know what I am talking about, thanks, but when a VR1 is leveling to Vr12 in less than a day on this VR12 content!, then what do you called that if not an exploit?

Augustiine · May 2014

I was VR10 when Craglorn launched and it took me two days to get to VR12. Lots and lots of people made it in less time than me. Hell, it's just two levels anyway, it shouldn't take that long.

As for Vr1 people getting to Vr10 in hours, that's just no possible. It took me 10 hours of gameplay including burials and anomalies runs to raise two levels.

ZOS_JasonI · May 2014

Hey there, everyone. We have closed this thread, as we don't allow the discussion of disciplinary actions on our forums, and we're unable to provide any account related support. If you'd like to appeal a ban or suspension, please be sure to do so on our support page. Thanks for your understanding.