Trouble ahead ?

Sindala · January 2015

http://www.zenimaxonline.com/faq.html

Just reading the first couple of paragraphs has scared the neck out of me.

1, I never knew Zenimax owned Bethesda, explains why they are allowed to butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls.

2, The bosses are ex-Mythic employees, for those that don't know Mythic was the failed department responsible for killing Ultima Online and DAoC ect. This was before EA had enough of them and got rid.
Mythic is now just the online shop for EA.....warning bells anyone?? So the only thing they could do well was take peoples money off them in an online shop. I'd say were in good hands if it goes F2P. lol.

Cogo · January 2015

WoW! What a bunch of nonsense!

Sindala · January 2015

All fact, every game they list is now either owned by 3rd party companies or cancelled.

Joejudas · January 2015

O dang -___-

Darkintellect · January 2015

I'm from Bethesda Maryland and grew up near the company as well as when they moved to Rockville 15 miles away.

The company was Bethesda back in the 80's named after the affluent and somewhat erudite city. They were making all types of games, one of which was a boxing game if you'd believe that.

The founders played a lot of P&P RPG's to include D&D and decided to make an arena game off the Pen and Paper RPG they created together. This game allowed you to make a character and fight against various creatures and bosses but was in an arena model.

Early tester feedback was poor and they decided to make it an adventure RPG. Modern day Arena was what is became. Their sales were modest for the time and I remember buying the game at CompUSA back in '94 since I was a fan of the genre after playing the Might & Magic series and the amazing Stonekeep.

Daggerfall happened two years later and seemed to have fared far better. From this point on they had moved to Rockville in a larger office but in the basement. From their success of the TES franchise, the company became Zenimax Media and CEO was one of the founders where the other left the company and the third held control over Bethesda Softworks as the developer of Zenimax Media.

Zenimax over time bought up a few other developers to handle their other projects using Bethesda as publisher while it develops the TES and Fallout genre.

About a year before the development of Skyrim in 2007, they received a large sum of money, roughly $300M from an investment group and created a subsidiary of Zenimax Media called Zenimax Online which is based out of western Baltimore and took much of Bethesda's developers for creative design in a new game they had planned called Elder Scrolls Online.

Yes, they began development of ESO before Skyrim.

ESO is and will be a focal point of the company for a while now and will continue to improve and do well. Last I visited Bethesda Softworks at the Zenimax Media office, all I got a glimpse of were storyboards. But they don't plan to do any real development for a while now as they're taking a minor break with the release of ESO.

If I had to guess, you can expect TES 6 to have a release date closer to 2019 and take place after Skyrim, where you have to fight back against the Thalmour (who are trying to destroy very existance) by joining the New Aldmeri Dominion and the newly reappeared Psijic Order.

In this game you will be able to control your passage through time, move objects, phase in and out of reality, master the arcane, etc. All the powers of the nearly omnipotent Order.

Mythic employees are in Zenimax Online only, not in Media or in Bethesda. ZO only uses and used developers of Bethesda for continuity of the franchise from ZM.

I hope this helps.

AshySamurai · January 2015

So what? IMO they did great game with huge potential.

ThatHappyCat · January 2015

You chose to make this thread as your first after your ban for spewing nonsense?

Well, your funeral?

renton1x1x1 · January 2015

i sense the approach of the mighty banhammer AKA @ZOS_GaryA

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

That is old news, but hey DAOC is still around and still has a sub after all these years, unless it changed like last month, and the other half of the old team is making Camelot Unchained, read about it, good ideas based on old game play philosophy, players have changed a lot over the years some things just don't work these days.

dharbert · January 2015

Casey Jones you'd better watch your speed
Trouble ahead.....trouble behind

Sindala · January 2015

I am merely commenting on their past successful games we all still enjoy playing today.
Also the fact that 'IF' it went F2P then we need not worry as they have shown they are good at Cash shops.

If your reading this negatively then perhaps you should be looking towards yourself and not I.

Mangybeard · January 2015

Criticism is a good thing, the useless spread of negativity is not.

Sindala · January 2015

mangybasterd wrote: »

Criticism is a good thing, the useless spread of negativity is not.

What, you mean like your forum name?

Derra · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

http://www.zenimaxonline.com/faq.html

Just reading the first couple of paragraphs has scared the neck out of me.

1, I never knew Zenimax owned Bethesda, explains why they are allowed to butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls.

2, The bosses are ex-Mythic employees, for those that don't know Mythic was the failed department responsible for killing Ultima Online and DAoC ect. This was before EA had enough of them and got rid.
Mythic is now just the online shop for EA.....warning bells anyone?? So the only thing they could do well was take peoples money off them in an online shop. I'd say were in good hands if it goes F2P. lol.

Except that Mythic built the best pvp-focused mmo, for many ppl that actually played it, up to this date (daoc). Then EA bought them and butchered what could have been a great game (warhammer online) down to a wow clone.
Most of the old employees had already left the sinking ship that mythic had become because EA bought them all for the wrong reasons.

Edit: Especially Firor was responsible for the two first DAoC expansions. Which were unbelievably good (I know toa had its problems on release but that got fixed quite fast on us).

JKorr · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

http://www.zenimaxonline.com/faq.html

Just reading the first couple of paragraphs has scared the neck out of me.

1, I never knew Zenimax owned Bethesda, explains why they are allowed to butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls.

2, The bosses are ex-Mythic employees, for those that don't know Mythic was the failed department responsible for killing Ultima Online and DAoC ect. This was before EA had enough of them and got rid.
Mythic is now just the online shop for EA.....warning bells anyone?? So the only thing they could do well was take peoples money off them in an online shop. I'd say were in good hands if it goes F2P. lol.

Here you go. http://www.zenimax.com/legal_information

How could you leave out the awesome work they did with AMF Bowling and Air Hockey?

And nothing about how the Elder Scrolls Travels phone games didn't butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls?

Question from idle curiosity on my part; does it ever get tiring constantly hunting for any shred of negative information you can find to post? Or spinning any shred of information you find into something negative to post?

Unless you can find some creditable information that the devs are still working for EA, I'd say that Zenimax Online Studios isn't working with EA. EX-devs. EA is still doing their thing. Ask the people playing and paying for the Sims. https://store.thesims3.com/buysimpoints?source=subNav

Mangybeard · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

mangybasterd wrote: »

Criticism is a good thing, the useless spread of negativity is not.

What, you mean like your forum name?

...Ok

JKorr wrote: »

Here you go. http://www.zenimax.com/legal_information

How could you leave out the awesome work they did with AMF Bowling and Air Hockey?

And nothing about how the Elder Scrolls Travels phone games didn't butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls?

Question from idle curiosity on my part; does it ever get tiring constantly hunting for any shred of negative information you can find to post? Or spinning any shred of information you find into something negative to post?

Unless you can find some creditable information that the devs are still working for EA, I'd say that Zenimax Online Studios isn't working with EA. EX-devs. EA is still doing their thing. Ask the people playing and paying for the Sims. https://store.thesims3.com/buysimpoints?source=subNav

He didn't say that.

knightblaster · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

http://www.zenimaxonline.com/faq.html

Just reading the first couple of paragraphs has scared the neck out of me.

1, I never knew Zenimax owned Bethesda, explains why they are allowed to butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls.

2, The bosses are ex-Mythic employees, for those that don't know Mythic was the failed department responsible for killing Ultima Online and DAoC ect. This was before EA had enough of them and got rid.
Mythic is now just the online shop for EA.....warning bells anyone?? So the only thing they could do well was take peoples money off them in an online shop. I'd say were in good hands if it goes F2P. lol.

It boggles my mind that people don't generally know this. It really does. Zenimax has owned Bethesda for years. ZOS and Bethesda are basically two operating divisions of the same company -- always been so. It's always been very humorous to me to see people strenuously and vociferously explain to people that ZOS is NOT Bethesda, when basically you're talking about two sub-parts of the same bigger company -- Zenimax. People are easily fooled by branding, I guess.

As for Mythic, this again makes sense because Mythic was (from its founding until after Mark Jacobs got canned, at least) based here in the Washington DC area like Bethesda/ZOS are. There aren't *that* many game developers here (as compared with, say, SF Bay), so the Mythic people, who are not just devs but MMO-experienced devs and living here where ZOS is, of course were attractive candidates to be hired when Zenimax was setting up ZOS to do ESO. It just makes sense -- geography, and game background. The only other major developer in this region is Firaxis, and that's a completely different kind of game that they are expertised at.

JKorr · January 2015

Mangybeard wrote: »

Sindala wrote: »

mangybasterd wrote: »

Criticism is a good thing, the useless spread of negativity is not.

What, you mean like your forum name?

...Ok

JKorr wrote: »

Here you go. http://www.zenimax.com/legal_information

How could you leave out the awesome work they did with AMF Bowling and Air Hockey?

And nothing about how the Elder Scrolls Travels phone games didn't butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls?

Question from idle curiosity on my part; does it ever get tiring constantly hunting for any shred of negative information you can find to post? Or spinning any shred of information you find into something negative to post?

Unless you can find some creditable information that the devs are still working for EA, I'd say that Zenimax Online Studios isn't working with EA. EX-devs. EA is still doing their thing. Ask the people playing and paying for the Sims. https://store.thesims3.com/buysimpoints?source=subNav

He didn't say that.

So what exactly is he saying the devs were responsible for before EA entered the picture? DAoC started in 2001. EA bought the studio in 2006.
When DAOC first launched in October 2001, Mythic sold 51,000 copies of the game within the first 4 days, outperforming their initial expectation of 30,000. The subscriber base quickly rose up to almost 250,000 subscribers by July 2002 and then started to fall off to about 210,000 subscribers by January 2003. The Shrouded Isles expansion was released and populations climbed back up slightly, then in November 2003 populations once again rose to 250,000 with the release of the "Trials of Atlantis" expansion and remained at that level until October 2004 when market competition (Everquest II, World of Warcraft) caused these numbers to gradually decrease over time. As of January 2008, the estimated number of subscribers was 50,000

EA, for whatever reasons, shut down the studio as they have shut down other studios. However that didn't kill off DAoC. http://darkageofcamelot.com/article/next-chapter-dark-age-camelot And it appears that you will still need an account.
Will there be a change in the payment system?

Nope! Players will continue to access DAoC through EA’s Origin™ portal. There will be no interruption or change in the payment service. Players may notice that charges on their bank statements will still indicate a payment to Mythic or EA – and Game Time Codes will still be available via the EA Origin™ Store.

So, besides EA buying out Zenimax, what was he attempting to imply we should be watching for?

Samadhi · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

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1, I never knew Zenimax owned Bethesda, explains why they are allowed to butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls.
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It is rather interesting to consider that launching Skyrim only credits Bethesda Game Studios, whereas launching Oblivion credits "Bethesda Softworks a ZeniMax Media company" before anything else. Probably the only reason for my being familiar with this random fact was from sinking so many hours into Oblivion and constantly crashing and needing to restart.

Daggerfall credits only Bethesda Softworks; anyone remember what Morrowind's boot says?

Neizir · January 2015

How exactly did Mythic kill DAOC...? EA killed DAoC's studio, not DAoC itself (Which actually remains a subscription game and microtransaction-free to this day). Besides, DAOC was my first MMO and I really, really enjoyed it, don't see how Mythic killed it. EA has a reputation for butchering their third-parties and their games anyway.

Maximis_ESO · January 2015

DAOC was not a failure by any means..... it was better then EQ and when World of Warcraft came out it was better then DAOC but DAOC was not a failure, it was actually a fantastic game focusing on the PVP side of things.

What hurt them was when they tried to make a PVE push with ToA and that sucked. Bad move on their part but shortly after World of Warcraft released and that took a lot from them.

Grunim · January 2015

dharbert wrote: »

Casey Jones you'd better watch your speed
Trouble ahead.....trouble behind

This is exactly what went through my head reading this thread title. I haven't thought about this song in ages...

Nazon_Katts · January 2015

Here you are. Good boy!

Ouranos · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

I am merely commenting on their past successful games we all still enjoy playing today.
Also the fact that 'IF' it went F2P then we need not worry as they have shown they are good at Cash shops.

If your reading this negatively then perhaps you should be looking towards yourself and not I.

Actually, all of your rhetoric in this post is alarmist, from your thread title to your word choice ("butcher," "scare," "fail," "kill," etc.). Your sentiment is far from positive, but if that was your intent, you clearly failed.

Torquebow · January 2015

Ultima and DAoC are regarded as two of the BEST MMOs to ever exist. Not just by players but by magazines and review sites, like MMORPG and IGN. Both of them lasted for a very long time. So this *** is *** by default.

Elsonso · January 2015

Sindala wrote: »

1, I never knew Zenimax owned Bethesda, explains why they are allowed to butcher the good name of Elder Scrolls.

knightblaster wrote: »

It boggles my mind that people don't generally know this. It really does. Zenimax has owned Bethesda for years. ZOS and Bethesda are basically two operating divisions of the same company -- always been so. It's always been very humorous to me to see people strenuously and vociferously explain to people that ZOS is NOT Bethesda, when basically you're talking about two sub-parts of the same bigger company -- Zenimax. People are easily fooled by branding, I guess.

Yeah, it is really necessary to use full names.

ZeniMax Media is the parent company. They own Bethesda Softworks, Bethesda Game Studios, and ZeniMax Online Studios.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher and a division of ZeniMax Media.

Bethesda Game Studio is the developer of TES and Fallout games and is part of Bethesda Softworks.

ZeniMax Online Studios makes ESO and is a separate division from Bethesda Softworks.

Bethesda Softworks publishes for both studios.

Sindala · January 2015

*smug self satisfied grin*

So i'm wrong am I, almost like I had inside information. lol

Nazon_Katts · January 2015

Don't get too high on it. Might find yourself waking up with a bad headache tomorrow. I know, I will!