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Anyone notice Nightblade fear doesn't give immunity unless ya break it?

  • Varicite
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    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?
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    TheBull wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.

    Streak should break dodge. It is an AoE effect and all AoE hits through dodge. It just happens to be the only AoE disorient. Fear works through dodge as well.
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  • eliisra
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    I have noticed on two occasions. But it's hardly some isolated NB fear problem. I will often get Streak-locked for life unless I actively break out of it. That makes me rage way more because Streak spam > Fear spam, in terms of frequency.

    Fear spam is less, cuz they need to be in PBAoE range to punch people with it, meaning squishy NB melts before he gets the skill of.

    Certain skills do seems to follow the rules of the immunity timer(which I still think is way to short). But some dont. Sometimes nothing seems to give a crap about the poor immunity timer, but guessing that's caused by bad performance in PvP, to much information to process. This needs urgent fixing anyhow, NB fear included.
  • AaronMB
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    Rylana wrote: »
    ...Dont ask for things they probably will mess up.

    lol
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  • Ezareth
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    There is no stun/disorient immunity given unless you active break out of a stun.
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  • Minsc
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    No, you are actually supposed to have CC immunity without actually actively breaking out as in this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oMCHmPHp0U&feature=youtu.be&t=3m24s

    Taken from this old thread:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94527/new-cc-immunity-system/p1
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    Varicite wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?

    I assume so, otherwise fear would of been nerfed long ago for being incredibly overpowered if you couldn't
  • Gooey
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    The amount of QQ in this thread is stupid. Fear doesn't give immunity, deal with it. Instead of crying about it on the forums. you need to find a counter.
  • FluffiestOne
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    Gooey wrote: »
    The amount of QQ in this thread is stupid. Fear doesn't give immunity, deal with it. Instead of crying about it on the forums. you need to find a counter.

    I found it, I spam impulse until they die, then they can't fear me. GoML
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  • Varicite
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    Varicite wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?

    I assume so, otherwise fear would of been nerfed long ago for being incredibly overpowered if you couldn't

    Perhaps, but it would be nice to have an official response on this, as it's unique to Fear.

    You know what they say about assumptions, etc. : P
  • Yonkit
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    Stx wrote: »
    Two things I want to mention.

    First, I didn't even know you got any kind of CC immunity from being hit with anything. If I don't use Break Free while fighting pretty much any class, there is a good chance I will be chain CC'd until death.

    Secondly, Fear is bugged atm and you are able to BLOCK while feared, which is ridiculous.

    So I would be fine with them adding a few seconds of CC immunity after Fear as long as they fixed it to where you can't hold block while feared.

    You are able to blocked while feared because if you couldn't it'd be the most overpowered CC in the game, a 4.5 second cc that doesn't break on damage and goes through block? Getting feared would be instant death if you didn't cc break every time

    As a NB I'm very much okay with this. It's time for our day in the sun (to quote Kaiser Wilhelm).
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    Im sure you are @Yonkit. I'm sure you are.
  • TheBull
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    TheBull wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.

    Streak should break dodge. It is an AoE effect and all AoE hits through dodge. It just happens to be the only AoE disorient. Fear works through dodge as well.
    Patch 1.1.2 -

    - You are now immune to immobilizing effects during the time you are roll dodging, in addition to breaking out of existing effects when you begin the roll dodge

    Like I said, it's the only thing in game that breaks this rule. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌
    Edited by TheBull on October 29, 2014 12:43AM
  • Maulkin
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    TheBull wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.

    Streak should break dodge. It is an AoE effect and all AoE hits through dodge. It just happens to be the only AoE disorient. Fear works through dodge as well.
    Patch 1.1.2 -

    - You are now immune to immobilizing effects during the time you are roll dodging, in addition to breaking out of existing effects when you begin the roll dodge

    Like I said, it's the only thing in game that breaks this rule. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

    An immobilize effect is a root (like talons or stampede) not a stun. Streak is a stun you have to CC break out of, not a root you dodge roll through.
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  • Varicite
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    TheBull wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.

    Streak should break dodge. It is an AoE effect and all AoE hits through dodge. It just happens to be the only AoE disorient. Fear works through dodge as well.
    Patch 1.1.2 -

    - You are now immune to immobilizing effects during the time you are roll dodging, in addition to breaking out of existing effects when you begin the roll dodge

    Like I said, it's the only thing in game that breaks this rule. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

    This is to combat things like Talons spam, not Streak.
  • Yonkit
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    Im sure you are @Yonkit. I'm sure you are.

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  • themdogesbite
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    Just change the stupid skill to hit 6 targets but make it blockable. It´s such a broken CC right now.
    Edited by themdogesbite on October 29, 2014 4:59PM
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  • Varicite
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    Just change the stupid skill to hit 6 targets but make it blockable. It´s such a broken CC right now.

    That doesn't sound better than the current iteration at all...
  • Yusuf
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    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Any word on the same issue with templar's Puncturing Strikes and it's morphs? if you dont cc-break AND block you will be permacc'd
  • Maulkin
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    Yusuf wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Any word on the same issue with templar's Puncturing Strikes and it's morphs? if you dont cc-break AND block you will be permacc'd

    Tbf if they fix that, which is one of the few ways a Templar has to win 1v1 fights, expect a Templar Apocalypse in these forums and quite rightly so.

    While it's not nice being perma stun-locked, they'll have to seriously do something about templar DPS options before they fix this.

    If you're fighting a Templar just wear an Arena set and you're fine. Then proceed to win the fight with your superior resource management and DPS.
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  • FluffiestOne
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    Yusuf wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Any word on the same issue with templar's Puncturing Strikes and it's morphs? if you dont cc-break AND block you will be permacc'd

    Tbf if they fix that, which is one of the few ways a Templar has to win 1v1 fights, expect a Templar Apocalypse in these forums and quite rightly so.

    While it's not nice being perma stun-locked, they'll have to seriously do something about templar DPS options before they fix this.

    If you're fighting a Templar just wear an Arena set and you're fine. Then proceed to win the fight with your superior resource management and DPS.

    Sounds like the sorcs defending bolt escape in the reign of Nicolle. /laugh
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  • Maulkin
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    Yusuf wrote: »
    Hey guys, thanks for the reports on this. We are aware there's an issue here, specifically that if you are blocking while feared, you don't get CC immunity. This is something we are actively working on fixing.

    Any word on the same issue with templar's Puncturing Strikes and it's morphs? if you dont cc-break AND block you will be permacc'd

    Tbf if they fix that, which is one of the few ways a Templar has to win 1v1 fights, expect a Templar Apocalypse in these forums and quite rightly so.

    While it's not nice being perma stun-locked, they'll have to seriously do something about templar DPS options before they fix this.

    If you're fighting a Templar just wear an Arena set and you're fine. Then proceed to win the fight with your superior resource management and DPS.

    Sounds like the sorcs defending bolt escape in the reign of Nicolle. /laugh

    I'm not even a Templar!

    PS: I want my uncapped, no cost increase Streak back. Oh I miss those days :D
    Edited by Maulkin on October 30, 2014 1:18PM
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  • ZOS_TristanK
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    TheBull wrote: »
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.
    Streak breaking a dodge is working as intended, as a stun/disorient (like Streak) is not the same thing as an immobilizing effect. Basically, if the defensive check on an ability isn't against a melee attack, ranged attack, or a spell projectile, then the ability will hit a dodge rolling target.
    Varicite wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?
    We are working on the way blocking functions in general, but one of the edits we'll be making is that you won't be able to block when you are feared. We don't have a timeline for this implementation yet, but we'll let you know when we do!
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  • Xsorus
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    TheBull wrote: »
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.
    Streak breaking a dodge is working as intended, as a stun/disorient (like Streak) is not the same thing as an immobilizing effect. Basically, if the defensive check on an ability isn't against a melee attack, ranged attack, or a spell projectile, then the ability will hit a dodge rolling target.
    Varicite wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?
    We are working on the way blocking functions in general, but one of the edits we'll be making is that you won't be able to block when you are feared. We don't have a timeline for this implementation yet, but we'll let you know when we do!

    So you're going to allow a 4.5 second stun basically to go through block while not allowing you to block at the same time?
  • themdogesbite
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    TheBull wrote: »
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.
    Streak breaking a dodge is working as intended, as a stun/disorient (like Streak) is not the same thing as an immobilizing effect. Basically, if the defensive check on an ability isn't against a melee attack, ranged attack, or a spell projectile, then the ability will hit a dodge rolling target.
    Varicite wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?
    We are working on the way blocking functions in general, but one of the edits we'll be making is that you won't be able to block when you are feared. We don't have a timeline for this implementation yet, but we'll let you know when we do!

    So you're going to allow a 4.5 second stun basically to go through block while not allowing you to block at the same time?

    This cant be happening, are you kidding me?
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  • Varicite
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    We are working on the way blocking functions in general, but one of the edits we'll be making is that you won't be able to block when you are feared. We don't have a timeline for this implementation yet, but we'll let you know when we do!

    Thank you for the response, can't wait to see what your thoughts on blocking will be in the future. : )
  • Araxleon
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    people act like its a 4 secs that you cant do anything. you can CC break it, if you dont have stam to break it, its your fault. I know a ton of people that dont care about fear becaused they know that stamina is a resource they need to learn to manage. stamina builds wouldnt be annoyed from fear because they always have stam Ive said this before but magicka builds are SUPPOSE to have low stam its our weakness so them making it feel like a weakness I think is good.
    In general people would learn to play better instead of block casting 24/7
    Edited by Araxleon on October 30, 2014 10:34PM
  • Lava_Croft
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    Fear does no damage, affects only 2 people who will wander off in a random (read: not always beneficial to the caster) direction and is quite expensive.

    Blocking while Feared and the lack of CC immunity after Fear expired should indeed be fixed, but other than that quit the whining already.
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    We are working on the way blocking functions in general, but one of the edits we'll be making is that you won't be able to block when you are feared. We don't have a timeline for this implementation yet, but we'll let you know when we do!
    TheBull wrote: »
    What about streak breaking dodge ? Will you look at that too? It seems strange that's it's the only thing in game that breaks dodge/roll the immunity.
    Streak breaking a dodge is working as intended, as a stun/disorient (like Streak) is not the same thing as an immobilizing effect. Basically, if the defensive check on an ability isn't against a melee attack, ranged attack, or a spell projectile, then the ability will hit a dodge rolling target.
    Varicite wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, is being able to block while Feared working as intended?
    We are working on the way blocking functions in general, but one of the edits we'll be making is that you won't be able to block when you are feared. We don't have a timeline for this implementation yet, but we'll let you know when we do!

    So you're going to allow a 4.5 second stun basically to go through block while not allowing you to block at the same time?

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    Araxleon wrote: »
    people act like its a 4 secs that you cant do anything. you can CC break it, if you dont have stam to break it, its your fault. I know a ton of people that dont care about fear becaused they know that stamina is a resource they need to learn to manage. stamina builds wouldnt be annoyed from fear because they always have stam Ive said this before but magicka builds are SUPPOSE to have low stam its our weakness so them making it feel like a weakness I think is good.
    In general people would learn to play better instead of block casting 24/7

    So its either break the fear or die then.

    You can't honestly believe having CC that goes through block, and what is basically a stun for all intents and purposes and you really only get 5 seconds of immunity from before it happens again is a good idea. Right now the fact that you can block while feared balances the ability. If they remove blocking while feared they will have to remove it going through block.
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