PvP Arena Request

Captainkrunch96

How about no...

itsmalarky

I don't see it hurting. Would be a nice alternative to dueling...this way we wouldn't have people just fighting in the street everywhere.

Zintair

No Arena... go play WoW for Arena.

Jarnhand

I for one do NOT want arenas! Arenas = PvP farming = ruined game.

Zargorius

No please, arena's are a can of worms, improve Cyrodiil instead, give us Imperial City and more content over there!

ularis

Agree i Want Smaller scale PVP Arena hmm maby about 1-2 years , Duels ?i WANT in now ! PVP 10 vs 10 vs 10 for example i want it now ! (Like child) :P Dont get me wrong Massive Cyrodiil PVP is great but it going boring when u have more time to play 2-4 h is max , and i want to have some alternative u can tell me dungeons but PVE content is no alternative for me at all .

Psionyxz

Jarnhand wrote: »

I for one do NOT want arenas! Arenas = PvP farming = ruined game.

Could you be more descriptive? You say PvP farming, but I don't get what you mean.

Zerl

Psionyxz wrote: »

Jarnhand wrote: »

I for one do NOT want arenas! Arenas = PvP farming = ruined game.

Could you be more descriptive? You say PvP farming, but I don't get what you mean.

It basically means that any form of OWPvP will be neglected, and people will simply sit in the nearest town sitting is queues waiting for their turn to play an arena instance.

Zerl

If I'm being brutally honest, if Zeni were to succumb to the "requests" for arena then it's going to lose any sort of appeal as far as I'm concerned.

OWPvP is what I truly enjoy PvP-wise, I can't stand how repetitive the whole queueing for arenas is. It's also often the cause of balance issues as people QQ about the FotM builds/ classes.

Going from past experience, it is pretty much certain (in my opinion) that you can kiss Cyrodill goodbye the moment that they introduce arenas.

What I find frustrating, is that you have people on here calling for arenas, when games with PvP centred around arenas are littered all over the place, but there aren't many that you can say a centred around OWPvP. If people are really that intent on playing arena, then perhaps they should have chosen another game (e.g. Wildstar) rather than TESO.

savak

Guys the only reason arenas would be a problem is if the rewards for arena participation are the same or better than AvA.

Arenas adds variety for PvPers and is not inherently a bad thing. Just because you don't like arena style PvP doesn't mean others don't aswell. If AvA is the best PvP then it will attract players based on its own merit.

People wanting to restrict content in a game seems very counter productive to me. And espcially when it seems it is based on the fear of taking away from other forms of PvP.... Guess what, some people will love to do both. Just make the rewards from arena more based around vanity items or lesser rewards so people don't feel the need for a grind but still allow those that want to, to access it.

NordJitsu

Not everyone enjoys the same things. Just because you don't like small scale PvP doesn't mean you should fight against it being added to the game.

More PvP options can only be a good thing.

I love Cyrodiil. But sometimes I get bored of it. I don't like how much PvE there is intermingled with my PvP. I don't like that I have to fight NPCs at every keep and resource (which is where most of the fights happen.) I don't like that a lot of fights come down to a numbers game, where the larger side wins regardless of skill (this happens less than in other AvA games, but it still occurs here.)

I just want to be able to test myself 1v1 with no outside interference. Me versus you, who's better? Not who has more friends or who has the NPCs on their side.

I also want to be able to test my small group (maybe 5 players) against other small groups.

Cyrodiil doesn't always allow for this and almost never does so on an equal footing.

Zintair

NordJitsu wrote: »

Not everyone enjoys the same things. Just because you don't like small scale PvP doesn't mean you should fight against it being added to the game.

More PvP options can only be a good thing.

I love Cyrodiil. But sometimes I get bored of it. I don't like how much PvE there is intermingled with my PvP. I don't like that I have to fight NPCs at every keep and resource (which is where most of the fights happen.) I don't like that a lot of fights come down to a numbers game, where the larger side wins regardless of skill (this happens less than in other AvA games, but it still occurs here.)

I just want to be able to test myself 1v1 with no outside interference. Me versus you, who's better? Not who has more friends or who has the NPCs on their side.

I also want to be able to test my small group (maybe 5 players) against other small groups.

Cyrodiil doesn't always allow for this and almost never does so on an equal footing.

When you add Arenas and alternative methods of PvP it directly pulls from the main PvP of Cyrodiil. Sure maybe after a while you can add Arena's but right now they need to focus on enhancing the current gameplay not adding more.

I also think a true test of your small group is it's ability to deal with larger numbers. Anyone can win in a fair fight but can you win when the odds are stacked against you?

Can you 2v1? 3v1? 4v1? Those are more impressive than winning a duel or winning a an arena with set rules and controlled environment.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

No. No. No. Go back to wow if you like arenas

NordJitsu

@Zintair‌

I agree that they don't need to implement them right now, but that's not what I was arguing.

And fights against larger numbers are great and a ton of fun. We had quite a few such fights already on Goldbrand where my group of 12 was whipping groups of 25-30. Those can't be replaced by an Arena.

I also don't think NPCs, numbers, stealth, strategy, ect. are bad things all the time. They are great things most of the time. Luring a group forward into the mage guards I've set up is always hilarious good fun.

Cyrodiil is the main PvP of this game and I think it will be no matter what. For me, an Arena would be a side show to do when I get sick of Cyrodiil or just get the itch for a fair fight. Its not where I'd spend the majority of my time.

The combat in this game is incredibly deep and fun. That combat shines in even fights. Arenas would just be an additional option on top of Cyrodiil.

An easier way to get it would be dueling. I'd be happy if I could just duel my friends. That's so small scale that its not going to take away from Cyrodiil at all, like you might argue an arena will.

Even if they added an arena though, I'm sure plenty of people would stay in Cyrodiil. GW2 had both small scale and large scale PvP and both stayed populated. And this game has much more compelling AvA than that game.

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No. No. No. Go back to wow if you like arenas

Or, ya know,The Elder Scrolls Oblivon which had an Arena.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Zintair‌

I agree that they don't need to implement them right now, but that's not what I was arguing.

And fights against larger numbers are great and a ton of fun. We had quite a few such fights already on Goldbrand where my group of 12 was whipping groups of 25-30. Those can't be replaced by an Arena.

I also don't think NPCs, numbers, stealth, strategy, ect. are bad things all the time. They are great things most of the time. Luring a group forward into the mage guards I've set up is always hilarious good fun.

Cyrodiil is the main PvP of this game and I think it will be no matter what. For me, an Arena would be a side show to do when I get sick of Cyrodiil or just get the itch for a fair fight. Its not where I'd spend the majority of my time.

The combat in this game is incredibly deep and fun. That combat shines in even fights. Arenas would just be an additional option on top of Cyrodiil.

An easier way to get it would be dueling. I'd be happy if I could just duel my friends. That's so small scale that its not going to take away from Cyrodiil at all, like you might argue an arena will.

Even if they added an arena though, I'm sure plenty of people would stay in Cyrodiil. GW2 had both small scale and large scale PvP and both stayed populated. And this game has much more compelling AvA than that game.

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No. No. No. Go back to wow if you like arenas

Or, ya know,The Elder Scrolls Oblivon which had an Arena.

Which was against NPC's. Which I would be for, if it were PvE only and not open world pvp killing arena pvp.

Zintair

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Zintair‌

I agree that they don't need to implement them right now, but that's not what I was arguing.

And fights against larger numbers are great and a ton of fun. We had quite a few such fights already on Goldbrand where my group of 12 was whipping groups of 25-30. Those can't be replaced by an Arena.

I also don't think NPCs, numbers, stealth, strategy, ect. are bad things all the time. They are great things most of the time. Luring a group forward into the mage guards I've set up is always hilarious good fun.

Cyrodiil is the main PvP of this game and I think it will be no matter what. For me, an Arena would be a side show to do when I get sick of Cyrodiil or just get the itch for a fair fight. Its not where I'd spend the majority of my time.

The combat in this game is incredibly deep and fun. That combat shines in even fights. Arenas would just be an additional option on top of Cyrodiil.

An easier way to get it would be dueling. I'd be happy if I could just duel my friends. That's so small scale that its not going to take away from Cyrodiil at all, like you might argue an arena will.

Even if they added an arena though, I'm sure plenty of people would stay in Cyrodiil. GW2 had both small scale and large scale PvP and both stayed populated. And this game has much more compelling AvA than that game.

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No. No. No. Go back to wow if you like arenas

Or, ya know,The Elder Scrolls Oblivon which had an Arena.

I think it is less the Arena itself and more the "stigma" of gear scores and PvP stats and ratings that is what turns people off. Once the game is developed and there is a Darkness Falls type of place in Cyrodiil and everything has been brought up to speed balance and bug wise I see no overall issue with it as long as it is handled differently than WoW was.

I would be ok with Arenas but I'd have to think on whether I would want it to allow for the accumulation of AP, allow gear to be purchased and other things that the current PvP does offer.

That is the only way it will truly take away I think from AvA is if you can do the same thin in the Arena and get the same gear without EVER stepping foot into Cyrodiil.

I also prefer Battlegrounds/Warfronts/Scenarios whatever you want to call them that have overarching objectives instead of just 5v5 kill or be killed. It can get boring and FOTM tactics ALWAYS rise to the surface. Not to mention with the lacking API functionality it is going to be frustrating I think for the min/maxers.

geraldpottier

I am sad this this thread is not getting much player attention. I like to do huge mass scale PVP sometimes just to see the amazing visuals; however, to get the feeling that 'I' made a difference, will never come from zerg based PvP.

If you want to look towards what ALOT of players want for PVP, look no further then Guild Wars 1 GvG, or even better Guild Wars 1 'Hall of Heros'.

When you are on a guild team, that opens a 'special dungeon' that can only be opened by defeating 30 other guilds (7-8 per nation, and at the time (USA, Japan, Korea, and Europe)) and only your nation can access this dungeon for 2 hours, its gets your guild and you yourself a name.

The adaptation to this game is simple, 30 guilds, 10 from each faction, battle it out with 12 players a piece in 4 rounds of 3 guilds vs 3 guilds from each faction until only 3 are left, the winning guild gets the glory and all of its faction gets to plunder a huge dungeon that gives epic PvP gear that makes people want to come back for more gear and the GLORY of battle.

I miss those days when the top of the screen ON EVERYONES PC mentioned this: "The fissure of Woe and the Underworld are now open to the USA thanks to <enter your guild name here>" - nothing compares with that, NOTHING, you get tells from everyone in game congratulating you and saying thanks. Escorts to the dungeon people 'tipped' 2 platinum a piece. Long live Clan Dethryche and more importantly: The Little Nutters [PWN] who opened this so much. (of course I was part of PWN so I had to mention them lol)

For the love of gaming, please do this TESO, you have everything except this, take your game to the next level and OWN the PVP world. BTW, ALL hardcore PvP players want this type of PvP, the only reason they dont know it, is because they were too young to do it back in 2005, NO ONE has done this since. OWN THIS TESO.

SIGNED, the one and only "LEET RAGE" from PWN and now the 'Granite Guard'

BTW, i created a new thread for this called 'Guild VS Guild':
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96700/guild-vs-guild#latest

Xau

I too would love some sort of E-sports style pvp. Timed even numbered match ups with score board and spectator function that would translate well to twitch.

CasualNub

Arena's make people think there good at pvp when they they really are not and they are just bad for any game

Avidus

I am heavily against having arena's in ESO. In other games I love them, love them with a passion.
ESO is not the place for them.

ESO was designed not to be an E-sport.
I want ESO to be different, I know that's greedy, but I do not want to have to go and play an out dated MMO that is only losing players, just to play how I would like.
ESO has community building features that have so far been completely overlooked by so many people.
I was guesting in a campaign, in a matter of 2-3 hours I had made an impression for my alliance, and even started getting focused by the opposition.
Even though in those couple of hours all we did was take a couple of keeps and some resources, which were later to be taken back, I felt I had accomplished something.

There is also that feeling when you encounter somebody who you have seen on the top of the leader boards, and you think. Wow, this guy might be a good challenge.

Arena's would kill that completely.

frwinters_ESO

Oh look another one requesting Arena PvP. Maybe you will make the difference. Lets see.....nope didnt work. Close Topic!

Nivzruo_ESO

Game needs arenas if it wants to keep it's true hardcore pvpers interested. AvA is fun , but every now and then you need to take a break from the mindless zerging and do some small scale combat to really get your blood flowing and get you shaking in excitement.

geraldpottier

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Game needs arenas if it wants to keep it's true hardcore pvpers interested. AvA is fun , but every now and then you need to take a break from the mindless zerging and do some small scale combat to really get your blood flowing and get you shaking in excitement.

/agree

CasualNub

Arena is not hardcore FYI

Hail_Enki_666

I personally am SEARCHING for an arena system in ESO I don't think it would become another WoW this game is so deeply entrenched in lore that it is impossible to ignore. Adding arenas would make another PvP aspect of the game where you can gauge your own personal skill on a level playing field. It's an MMO with different factions, your goal is to be better than the other factions and help your own which yes Cyrodil has but at the same time you never get a fair fight you either go with a big group and gank or you get ganked by a big group. In that sense you aren't testing your own personal skill a lot of the time. Those who say that arena doesn't take strategy are wrong. It's just A much smaller based strategy and focuses on smaller groups of players and shows how you stack against your enemies much better. Being competitive is necessary in every MMO and an area system gives those who don't like testing their skills against 100s or don't have a dedicated group of friends a way to compete and have endgame content. Saying it will mess with class balance is an unnecessary point because every MMO will have issues with class balance. I see arenas as a way for someone who has a few close buddies that they can work with and improve themselves and it also brings gamers together and helps the community on a smaller scale to create trust. It's not like you know everyone u PvP with in Cyrodil in arenas you do. As far as giving out gear and making it mandatory there are other items than gear that can be awarded to keep the gear balanced. Titles crafting items or bonuses for limited time or "show off" non combat items like pets or mounts provide an incentive but make it so that those who are not like minded to arenas can ignore the arena aspect entirely with no disadvantage in gameplay that they do enjoy. To avoid the issue of "meet me in the arena" make it faction related that you must choose for your account not individual characters and players in the same faction don't fight each other just those that are in a different faction. You could make it so there are those fighting against the Daedric princes and those that fight to bring the daedric princes to power. I know I just text walled a lot but this is something i believe needs to be implemented to give a competitive edge to the game. If it brings MLGers to the game that's all the will focus on and won't ruin the game for the rest of the people looking to get lost in the lore of the game and creates a bigger market for the game making it more popular which allows more money, more workers, and in result a better way to fix bugs and to improve the game that much more. ESO is an awesome game but it does have it flaws. More money and manpower is an excellent way to help these flaws and expand even further on the game so members don't get bored at endgame content. It has flaws and bugs that must be fixed before this is implemented but once it canbe worked on it provides an opportunity to enhance the game even further than what it is already. Flame me if you wish but this is my opinion and I think it will help the game much more than it could potentially hurt it.

Cogo

Please, no copy of wow arena to ESO. It simply does not belong here.

ESO have one of the best pvp system in any MMO. REAL pvp. REAL battles with battle general leaders and what not.

If someone wish to set a time and place to meet another team in battle, as an arena. Feel free to do so. But pleases do not change this wonderful pvp in ESO.

Sure, ESO has its bugs and will get more, but already it IS the best MMO in the market. Please dont lower it to WoW standard.

For someone for over 20 years in most games didnt give much for pvp, its a complete change that I can be in a TRUE pvp battle, and not just stunlocked by a rogue who uses addons.

Avidus

Arena's remove people from an already poorly populated PvP system.

So either we delete cyrodiil and add arena's.
Or we Don't.

frwinters_ESO

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Game needs arenas if it wants to keep it's true hardcore pvpers interested. AvA is fun , but every now and then you need to take a break from the mindless zerging and do some small scale combat to really get your blood flowing and get you shaking in excitement.

So a true PvPer is someone who only goes into arenas? Is this a fact somewhere? Got a source or some figures?

The games theme for right now is not designed for this. the devs have already said they have no plans for arena style combat because they do not want to take away from Cyrodil. Doesnt mean you wont see it maybe...next year. Why beat a dead horse when the devs have already given an answer. No arena's, concentration is on Cyrodil. The great and Powerful OZ has spoken.

SBR_QuorTek

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

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Would highly suggest you guys then add to the system YOU want to make... and not alienate the game into some other game out there... there is so many clones out there and so few actual good stuff or different stuff.... personally I am not ready to play some mainstream game but with another skin on, because the ZoS team do not have the balls to create something that would suit their ways and making their product outstand and be different than the one next in line.

NordJitsu

I think the right way to do it is to have the Arena be "fun only" with no Alliance Point or gear rewards.

Or if there are any kind of rewards for the Arena, they should only be able to be used in the Arena.

Like in Oblivion, you could have separate gear for the Arena and make it wearable only there. Advancing your Arena Cred (or something) would give you access to new Arena Gear.