Night Silence Set - Dark Stalker - bring back the old bonuses and stacking

Preky19

The Night Silence set bonus before the update 1.4 was: "Increase speed while Sneaking by 60%", and the Dark Stalker was: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking".

jelliedsoup

Little bit confused. The night silence issue is a bug, isn't it?

Gilvoth

Yes

yes developers, please put it back correctly like it was previously please,
it was no threat or danger to anyone, it had no bonus nor help to battle or pvp or pve because it only applied while in stealth, cant cary a scroll in stealth, cannot have speed while out of stealth.
there was nothing wrong with that speed we had and it was a very helpfull fun time to use it for my one and only character nightblade.

please return me to that speed so i can continue to have fun and also help me escape constant death.

Preky19

Yes

No, it wasn't a bug, worked as intended.

The Night Silence set bonus before the update was: "Increase speed while Sneaking by 60%", and the Dark Stalker was: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking". This are completely two different things, so of course they will stack.

They didn't change the "tooltip", they changed the whole bonus and the meaning of it.

Now both are: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking", so of course they will not stack, since they are the same...

Ragefist

Those threads are not even amusing anymore. Its just getting annoying now

Gilvoth

Yes

no one forced you to read this thread ragefist, if you do not like this subject then please refrain from reding it.

Preky19

Yes

Ragefist wrote: »

Those threads are not even amusing anymore. Its just getting annoying now

Its a poll

Sykotical

No

I only voted no because that was the only thing tempting me to turn vamp. I still think that they shouldn't stack (or only with diminishing returns,) but the vamp skill should be slightly better. Enough such that us mortals have to sacrifice combat dps for that almost-as-good-as-a-monster boost in athleticism via a crafted set. Also NB cloak should activate Dark Stalker / Night's Silence speed boost.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Yes

Son_Raizen wrote: »

I only voted no because that was the only thing tempting me to turn vamp. I still think that they shouldn't stack (or only with diminishing returns,) but the vamp skill should be slightly better. Enough such that us mortals have to sacrifice combat dps for that almost-as-good-as-a-monster boost in athleticism via a crafted set. Also NB cloak should activate Dark Stalker / Night's Silence speed boost.

I would have been okay if they had capped sneak speed and let us keep some of the boost. They went for the most heavy handed (and probably easiest to code) approach tho.

Paidkilla

Not sure why this was ever considered a exploit. I remember getting this email when i asked if it was working as intended.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention!!! This is working as intended. No one should report you as speed hacking. No worries my friend, everything is fine.

If you feel this is unfair or have any feedback about the Night Silence armor as a vampire, you can always /feedback. To give feedback about the game, type "/feedback" in the Chat Box, or hit the F1 key and click on the quill and parchment icon. Players should be sure to include as much detail as possible in the description. When finished writing the feedback, players should then click "Submit Feedback" to send it. We read everyone's feedback.

Thank you for being a valued player of The Elder Scrolls Online!!

If you have a moment, please fill out the survey sent your email about our Customer Service. We would love to hear what you have to say.

Preky19

Yes

Instead of removing the whole bonuses and stacking, they should have just adjust the Stamina consumption. Faster you sneak, faster your stamina goes down. Like this they would resolve the issue, if it was an issue at all, of outrunning the horses. You will need to stop to recover...
They should start balancing the skills/sets/etc, not just removing them.

jelliedsoup

Preky19 wrote: »

No, it wasn't a bug, worked as intended.

The Night Silence set bonus before the update was: "Increase speed while Sneaking by 60%", and the Dark Stalker was: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking". This are completely two different things, so of course they will stack.

They didn't change the "tooltip", they changed the whole bonus and the meaning of it.

Now both are: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking", so of course they will not stack, since they are the same...

What was the practical difference?

Preky19

Yes

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Preky19 wrote: »

No, it wasn't a bug, worked as intended.

The Night Silence set bonus before the update was: "Increase speed while Sneaking by 60%", and the Dark Stalker was: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking". This are completely two different things, so of course they will stack.

They didn't change the "tooltip", they changed the whole bonus and the meaning of it.

Now both are: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking", so of course they will not stack, since they are the same...

What was the practical difference?

Dark Stalker was removing the penalty, Night Silence was increasing the sneak speed. So the bonuses were stacking and increasing the sneak speed.

Atm they made them the same, so to do not stack. And the sneak speed went down.

Samadhi

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Preky19 wrote: »

No, it wasn't a bug, worked as intended.

The Night Silence set bonus before the update was: "Increase speed while Sneaking by 60%", and the Dark Stalker was: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking". This are completely two different things, so of course they will stack.

They didn't change the "tooltip", they changed the whole bonus and the meaning of it.

Now both are: "Ignore movement speed penalty when Sneaking", so of course they will not stack, since they are the same...

What was the practical difference?

The old bonus gave non-vampire characters a Sneak speed of 96% of regular running speed.

The new bonus will give non-vampire characters a Sneak speed of 100% of regular running speed.

Night's Silence was previously stacking on top of the the Vampire bonus (Sneak at 100% of regular running speed) which lead to an effective Sneak speed of 160% of regular running speed for vampires in Night's Silence.
Now Night's Silence will not stack on top of vampire, because both simply remove the Sneak speed penalty rather than one of them increasing speed.

jelliedsoup

@Preky19‌ @Samadhi‌ ahhh thanks guys.

Probitas

No

It was too much. It had to be nipped. No one should be sneaking at such a high rate of speed. Want to move fast? RUN. You still have that option.

blowe_none

Probitas wrote: »

It was too much. It had to be nipped. No one should be sneaking at such a high rate of speed. Want to move fast? RUN. You still have that option.

Ultimately no one should be doing anything that’s done in this game. It’s a fantasy game.

So a vampire can sneak almost as fast as a horse can run because he crafted a set of armor that gave him magic abilities to do so. Sounds good to me. I would believe it if it were in a movie.

I have heard it so many times in this forum. People saying that it’s impossible for something to sneak that fast. And they are right. In real life it’s impossible. BUT the one place it SHOULD be possible is in a game with characters who sprout wings and fly through the air to attack you or, where skeletons talk to you (they don’t even have tongues) a place where you can magically manifest a spear of light and hurl it through the air at a zombies chest or even something as simple as a crab that follows you everywhere. A place like this should surly contain a creature that can sneak ALMOST as fast as a horse.

My point is Vamps and NBs aren’t asking for anything ridiculous. Just sneak a little faster. So what. Maybe if the percentage would have been nerfed Say from 60% to 30%, rather than decimating the whole set up all together it wouldn’t have been so bad.

Atarax

Yes

As the author of this thread (where you can get factual information on how it works instead of people parroting false information they've heard):

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/132089/feedback-suggestion-not-a-petition-please-reinstate-nights-silence-dark-stalker-stacking?new=1

I obviously vote yes.

Also, note, this is not just a nightblade thing. Any class can become a vampire, and any class can wear night's silence.

The speed buff also does not apply when you are in combat, so, contrary to what people think, no, it is not OP by any stretch of the imagination, and there are heavy drawbacks that come with reaching these speeds.

But it's fun, so I'm willing to take the hit for the fun factor.

Lastly:

Preky19 wrote: »

Instead of removing the whole bonuses and stacking, they should have just adjust the Stamina consumption. Faster you sneak, faster your stamina goes down. Like this they would resolve the issue, if it was an issue at all, of outrunning the horses. You will need to stop to recover...
They should start balancing the skills/sets/etc, not just removing them.

It wasn't actually possible using night's silence + dark stalker to outrun even normal mounts (that had max apples) that were sprinting. That was misinformation.

Night's silence + dark stalker = 160% movement speed
Standard mount (max apples), sprinting = 190% movement speed

The closest you could get, is if you add in concealed blade as a nightblade, which = 186% speed total with the other two.

The fastest mounts also go up to 200% speed.

Also, the stamina burn was significant enough that you have to stop and rest over medium distances or use stamina pots. Whereas people recover stamina while moving on the horse, so people on the horse can cast rapid manouvre every time it drops to go even faster than 200% (we also tested this in Cyrodiil, with both my friends, on the fastest mounts, and I, using rapid manouvre; they blew me away).

It was fine as it was. The people who were up in arms against it either didn't know how it worked, or were trying to get other people nerfed out of spite.

MornaBaine

Yes

Paidkilla wrote: »

Not sure why this was ever considered a exploit. I remember getting this email when i asked if it was working as intended.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention!!! This is working as intended. No one should report you as speed hacking. No worries my friend, everything is fine.

If you feel this is unfair or have any feedback about the Night Silence armor as a vampire, you can always /feedback. To give feedback about the game, type "/feedback" in the Chat Box, or hit the F1 key and click on the quill and parchment icon. Players should be sure to include as much detail as possible in the description. When finished writing the feedback, players should then click "Submit Feedback" to send it. We read everyone's feedback.

Thank you for being a valued player of The Elder Scrolls Online!!

If you have a moment, please fill out the survey sent your email about our Customer Service. We would love to hear what you have to say.

The above being the case, they REALLY need to explain themselves!!!

GreyPilgrim

Yes

MornaBaine wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

Not sure why this was ever considered a exploit. I remember getting this email when i asked if it was working as intended.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention!!! This is working as intended. No one should report you as speed hacking. No worries my friend, everything is fine.

If you feel this is unfair or have any feedback about the Night Silence armor as a vampire, you can always /feedback. To give feedback about the game, type "/feedback" in the Chat Box, or hit the F1 key and click on the quill and parchment icon. Players should be sure to include as much detail as possible in the description. When finished writing the feedback, players should then click "Submit Feedback" to send it. We read everyone's feedback.

Thank you for being a valued player of The Elder Scrolls Online!!

If you have a moment, please fill out the survey sent your email about our Customer Service. We would love to hear what you have to say.

The above being the case, they REALLY need to explain themselves!!!

Yeah, see that's why they had to call it an 'issue' in the Patch notes, not a 'bug'. Because they knew darn well they had intended it to work that way, and the 'issue' was people griping about it, not an oversight in design.

I would be happy with this being re-implemented, even if there was a cap of say %150 movement speed while stealthed. But, given that they changed Night's Silence completely, I'm not holding my breath.

Forestd16b14_ESO

No

Oh boo woo vampires got a real nerd for once. Get over it you vampires.

blowe_none

It wasnt just vamps. anyone could have used this.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh boo woo vampires got a real nerd for once. Get over it you vampires.

It wasnt just vamps. Anyone could have used this. Cant wait till they nerf something you put a ton of time, money and effort into. I bet you would be frustrated too.

Forestd16b14_ESO

No

blowe_none wrote: »

It wasnt just vamps. anyone could have used this.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh boo woo vampires got a real nerd for once. Get over it you vampires.

It wasnt just vamps. Anyone could have used this. Cant wait till they nerf something you put a ton of time, money and effort into. I bet you would be frustrated too.

only thing i put gold and time into is my smithing and they made it easier with this new nirnhoned cause they added another skill point use for research time so now everything is shorten by one day sure one day isn't much but I'm taking it.

Revy

Atarax wrote: »

As the author of this thread (where you can get factual information on how it works instead of people parroting false information they've heard):

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/132089/feedback-suggestion-not-a-petition-please-reinstate-nights-silence-dark-stalker-stacking?new=1

I obviously vote yes.

Also, note, this is not just a nightblade thing. Any class can become a vampire, and any class can wear night's silence.

The speed buff also does not apply when you are in combat, so, contrary to what people think, no, it is not OP by any stretch of the imagination, and there are heavy drawbacks that come with reaching these speeds.

But it's fun, so I'm willing to take the hit for the fun factor.

Lastly:

Preky19 wrote: »

Instead of removing the whole bonuses and stacking, they should have just adjust the Stamina consumption. Faster you sneak, faster your stamina goes down. Like this they would resolve the issue, if it was an issue at all, of outrunning the horses. You will need to stop to recover...
They should start balancing the skills/sets/etc, not just removing them.

It wasn't actually possible using night's silence + dark stalker to outrun even normal mounts (that had max apples) that were sprinting. That was misinformation.

Night's silence + dark stalker = 160% movement speed
Standard mount (max apples), sprinting = 190% movement speed

The closest you could get, is if you add in concealed blade as a nightblade, which = 186% speed total with the other two.

The fastest mounts also go up to 200% speed.

Also, the stamina burn was significant enough that you have to stop and rest over medium distances or use stamina pots. Whereas people recover stamina while moving on the horse, so people on the horse can cast rapid manouvre every time it drops to go even faster than 200% (we also tested this in Cyrodiil, with both my friends, on the fastest mounts, and I, using rapid manouvre; they blew me away).

It was fine as it was. The people who were up in arms against it either didn't know how it worked, or were trying to get other people nerfed out of spite.

You forgot to take into account the divine trait with the steed mundus stone

GnatB

No

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

it was no threat or danger to anyone, it had no bonus nor help to battle or pvp or pve

please return me to that speed so i can continue to have fun and also help me escape constant death.

Eh? Make up your mind.

Super fast hidden speed is an advantage, even if it's not in combat.

pppontus

No

What they did is the perfect solution, it seems perfectly clear that Night's Silence and Shadow Dancer were both sets that intended to be a different option for sneak speed as opposed to going vampire. Now they all have the same bonus, can't stack, because sneaking at **** *** speed is not supposed to be in the game. It was a HUGE advantage for serious groups in PvP to be able to have one person scout enemy camps etc. at ultra fast speeds while being impossible to detect.

TL;DR - Stop beating a dead horse.

AreoHotah

I do not care

Ragefist wrote: »

Those threads are not even amusing anymore. Its just getting annoying now

What threads? This thread? Its "this" not "those" lolz.