As someone who plays as a DK and sorcerer, both can spam AoE. Shattering prison is much like talons, except you don't need to have someone else activate it for it to do damage.

Tiberius_ wrote: »

Ever since I found an armor set that replenishes magicka for every spell reflected ( I think it's the Syrabane set) I've come to realize why classes are anathema for the Elder Scrolls series.

What happened to the promise that our play style wouldn't be constrained by our class choice? If I want to use that set, I have to be a DK. (I know the 1-h and shield line has a reflect spell skill, but it has to be re-cast each time, unlike the DK spell which stays up for a certain time duration no matter how many spells you reflect.)

You want to reflect spells? You have to be a DK. You want to be able to pull enemies? You have to be a DK. You want to have a spammable AoE root? You have to be a DK. You want to go invisible? You have to be a NB. You want to be the most mobile? You have to be a sorc.

Why did you design all the best abilities to be class abilities? All of those should be weapon, guild, or world abilities that any player can choose to put on their skill bar. Classes should not be as central to the character build as they currently are for this to really be in line with other ES games.

I'm not proposing that you redesign skill trees at this point, but I do think it would be a good idea to offer a really expensive class change. This would be good for two reasons: it would be a good gold sink, and it would allow ZOS to see which classes need a buff due to their unpopularity.

First off, they have a spiffy new General forum this post would be awesome in! So happy about that! Anyways to my post

Playstyle = / = Class in TESO

Yes, certain classes will be able to do different things better, but i think ZOS has done a very good job at letting us players mold the current classes into a variety of roles. Of course one class isn't supposed to be able to do EVERYTHING the best(what's the point of having classes at that point?), but as it stands every class can do every role passably and some really well.

My now co-main Nightblade has successfully tanked, healed, dealt damage, and a ton of hybridized combinations of the 'holy trinity'. It excels at specialized sneak spike damage(because that's my fav type of character), but after a quick trip to the crafting part of town i can roll out in any number configurations without the need to respec.

My up and coming co-main Sorcerer is floating towards a kind of split-hate off tank atm. Bouncing hate back and forth between myself and my tanky Clannfear pet. But i can still quickly go to quit a few roles including straight up damage dealing or say hybrid damage dealing backup healer.

I say all that to illustrate my take that you are confusing party roles with base classes. And that really isn't the case in TESO. In a game like Final Fantasy XI with 20+ super-specialized classes, you might have a point(discounting the feature that you can have one character master all the jobs. but meh), but here after the core-class abilities, every character has potential access to every other skill line.

Now if you want to be a DK and have access to DK class skills, roll a DK. But you really shouldn't try and say since one class can handle multiple party roles adequately that that justifies asking for a class change function-when EVERY class can be adequate at multiple party roles as well.

Again, just my take on your request.

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

As someone who plays as a DK and sorcerer, both can spam AoE.

I'm Nightblade, and i can spam AoE. =_=

Pay 100,000 gold for.... (+100500 new bots)

Class change..... NO

Changing hairstyles... YES ( 5k-10k)

i want classes to be gone all together, at launch i was like oh ok it'll have classes i'm sure it'll be fun.....

the more i lvl and the higher in vet ranks i get the more i despise classes....so i'm forced to lvl alts and backtrack through content and make this game much more boring for me because i want to see more then just the NB skill line...

i just think classes in a TES game kinda suck and i would rather just pick my skills from all of the skill trees then lvl that skill then have 2 REROLL A WHOLE OTHER CHAR...

anyways love the game, can't wait for the changes, patience is being tested but i know this game will only get more awesome....please take out these stupid classes, they are ridiculous and ruining the game for paying customers

Although I agree with the OP's concern, I think the implementation could be better. As others have said, some choices should be permanent - your class being one of them.

I've had a thought that I'd like to share; perhaps at a certain level (I.E. VR+) you are given the choice to unlock one other class' skill line (Ardent Flame, Siphoning etc...). Perhaps an associated quest or something to tie it together?

It would keep the flavour of your character/class, but enhance it with other suitable abilities - or even abilities that are considered out-of-character. It would help transcend that line between 'acceptable classes for acceptable roles' and perhaps quell some of the 'OMG DUDE WAAAAAAY OP PVP NERF NERF NERF' cries.

It may also add further value to your skill point selection - though there are so many of them it's unlikely.

......................................... swg


edit: Seriously, anyone who played SWG back in the day should not even consider this. Being able to change classes at will single handedly destroyed that game.

How about instead of classes we pick a stone near the start of the game that gives us some skill lines, and if we want to change stone we can although maybe have it incur a cooldown period or something. Like respeccing talents you just choose a different stone if you fancy a change.

Edit~ withdrawn due to new information.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

FrauPerchta wrote: »

You should play AC1, there were no set classes.

AC1 = Assassin's Creed, right?
Which wasn't an MMO, you can't use a single player game as the basis of an MMO, there are balancing issues in an MMO that don't arise in a single player game.

I am sure it's meant to be Asheron's Call 1.

You know that Templars have a BETTER reflect ability than DK's, right?... And the DK reflect spell is so easy to spot with the animation that it's kinda useless 50% of the time.

The 1h and shield reflect (very cheap and lasts 30 seconds in case they stop hitting you) is actually better than the dk reflect in pvp.

Way too much gold!

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

I'm not even going to get into the class comparisons, but just as a general rule, I would never, ever, support a system that allows class change at any cost. Some decisions need to be meaningful.

I think spending 100k to change classes is pretty meaningful.

Jade wrote: »

why only 100k? you can have 60k or more by v1 without even trying. Hell a lot more if no respecs. Class change should 1 million or more.

Right....

Except not right.

Yeap , i will probably will stop playing when i reach vet10 (vet7) atm.

I made a templar , but i dont want to be a healer heh.

I actually believed the "Class wont set your role" and "play the way you want" thing.

BIG MISTAKE!

But i learned my lesson, next time , im making sure i pick a class with the tank tag , and if there is none , dont buy the game till you see which is it . Never had this problem in other MMOs with this strategy.

PS: Nope , dont even talk about making alts , i spent more than enough time on my Templar to drop it now. now it is either this or none for this game.