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Which is better? Languid Eye or Tide Eye (Arc ult)

Libonotus
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I just did the maths for tide kings vs languid and tide kings still does more damage despite the 7% increase every 0.5 seconds on languid
Idk if I worked it out wrong cause I assumed the 7% will always be the 7% of the amount it says it does not the amount it says + increase stacks and with that Tide eye beats languid by 8k
Edited by ZOS_Phoenix on July 15, 2023 10:41PM
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  • LunaFlora
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    i prefer Tide King because it follows the enemy
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    - Dotty Greehnhart, Bosmer Sorcerer.
    - Lía Greehnhart, Khajiit Nightblade.
    - Lady Greehnhart, Altmer Templar. Lady is her name and title.
    - Holly Blossom, Altmer Sorcerer.
    - Sally Jadehart, Argonian Nightblade. Like a green salamander.
    - Dorothy Pizzalover, Orc Warden. add pizzas to the game please.
    - Greehnhart, Bosmer Warden.
    - Lúcia Azurehart, imperial Necromancer. Azureblight, she has a Maarselok outfit.
    - Bunny Rubyhart, Dunmer Nightblade.
    - Wisteria Antheia, Khajiit Templar. blue hair like the wisteria.
    - Cynthia Turquesa, Breton Warden.
    - Rubyhart, Bosmer Nightblade.
    - Hestia Rubyhart, Dunmer Dragonknight.
    - Aurelia Cherryhart, Altmer Warden. Spriggan.
    - Aurora Honey, Redguard Templar. Meridian cultist.
    - Speaks-With-Blossom, Argonian Warden.
    - Lulu Nightshade, Nord Necromancer.
    - Lunetta Gleamblossom, Bosmer Arcanist. Ohmes Khajiit.
    - Dianna Hyacinth, Altmer Arcanist. Maormer, water hyacinth.
  • Libonotus
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    LunaFlora wrote: »
    i prefer Tide King because it follows the enemy

    Languid snares tho and does AoE
  • TheDarkRuler
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    In stationary fights the Languid Eye is much stronger and move dynamic fights Tide king is better.
  • GCJ_
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    Remember everything is multiplied into each other when calculating each individual tick amount, rather than adding up 7% increases. For example the 2nd tick increase damage value isn't a simple 14% increase of the base, it's (1.07(1.07xbase)) or 1.1449xbase which is a 14.49% increase. Now the extra half of 1% gained this way isnt necessarily something to consider by itself, but that is just the increment at tick 2 which is then added to the previous tick increments. Tick 3 is a 22.5% increase, tick 4 is a 31% increase, etc. The extra percent gains get larger exponentially per tick increment. If you had discrepancies between your calculations and testing this is probably where they are found. Of course there are plenty of other factors when considering which morph as mentioned by others. I have only used Tide King so far, have yet to swap it and rank up Languid, but the enemy tracking and auto-targeting next target should current target die before duration ends was why I went that way first.
  • LunaFlora
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    Libonotus wrote: »
    LunaFlora wrote: »
    i prefer Tide King because it follows the enemy

    Languid snares tho and does AoE

    does it snare every enemy though? i believe i have not been able to snare enemies like daedroths and harvesters or dungeon bosses
    miaow this is my forum signature! my name is Luna ( she/her ).

    🌸*throws cherry blossom on you*🌸
    "Eagles advance, traveler! And may the Green watch and keep you."
    🦬🦌🐰

    PlayStation EU is my primary server.
    LunaFloraBlossom on PlayStation 5 and PC.


    my main character is a Bosmer Warden named Greehnhart in-game, Greenie Florahart in full.

    all characters on PS EU:
    - Luna Blossom, Bosmer Dragonknight.
    - Dotty Greehnhart, Bosmer Sorcerer.
    - Lía Greehnhart, Khajiit Nightblade.
    - Lady Greehnhart, Altmer Templar. Lady is her name and title.
    - Holly Blossom, Altmer Sorcerer.
    - Sally Jadehart, Argonian Nightblade. Like a green salamander.
    - Dorothy Pizzalover, Orc Warden. add pizzas to the game please.
    - Greehnhart, Bosmer Warden.
    - Lúcia Azurehart, imperial Necromancer. Azureblight, she has a Maarselok outfit.
    - Bunny Rubyhart, Dunmer Nightblade.
    - Wisteria Antheia, Khajiit Templar. blue hair like the wisteria.
    - Cynthia Turquesa, Breton Warden.
    - Rubyhart, Bosmer Nightblade.
    - Hestia Rubyhart, Dunmer Dragonknight.
    - Aurelia Cherryhart, Altmer Warden. Spriggan.
    - Aurora Honey, Redguard Templar. Meridian cultist.
    - Speaks-With-Blossom, Argonian Warden.
    - Lulu Nightshade, Nord Necromancer.
    - Lunetta Gleamblossom, Bosmer Arcanist. Ohmes Khajiit.
    - Dianna Hyacinth, Altmer Arcanist. Maormer, water hyacinth.
  • thedoodle_90
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    Langquid does more dps than tide king. The 7% is compounding. Its 107% of the previous tick. When solving for a partial geometric series. The total dmg comes to Base dmg*17.8 where Tides king is base dmg*16. Tide Kings base dmg is not enough to make up for the difference.
  • Seraphayel
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    The downside to Tide King is also that the tracking is too slow for fast enemies so you’re losing ticks. For slower enemies it works, but if they’re fast (for example in PvP) you lose a lot of ticks. Overall I find both versions to be rather meh.
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  • El_Borracho
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    Libonotus wrote: »
    LunaFlora wrote: »
    i prefer Tide King because it follows the enemy

    Languid snares tho and does AoE

    Doesn't snare bosses, where ultimates are most effective. However, I still use Languid Eye as the damage is better and is more effective in most of the group content I run
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