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Fetch a Fair Fetching Price?
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's just a play on words. A joke.
[snip]
Right, a play on words, which is something people do a lot in the real world. And most people don't speak "textbook English" (or whatever their native language is) anyway.
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »
I can't recall many instances of this "in the real world" though some probably do exist. The ones in this thread are quite contrived, at least in today's world.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on May 1, 2022 4:28PMPC
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✭✭✭✭✭Plays on words are actually very prevalent in my gaming communities. So I tend to recognize, acknowledge and enjoy them personally.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »
I can't recall many instances of this "in the real world" though some probably do exist. The ones in this thread are quite contrived, at least in today's world.
They (plays on words) do exist and we call them puns. The examples in this thread aren't so much a play on words as they are using one word as both a verb and an adverb or verb and noun.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on May 1, 2022 4:29PMand then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, my friends/family and I make comments about or involving strange & silly words & phrases all the time. Like average, everyday people do. /shrug
Really not understanding why this minor, completely normal thing, was worth this much discussion.
(and really, this game is full of little jokes stuck into dialogue in various places. It's nothing new.)1 -
propertyOfUndefined✭✭✭✭✭“Fetch” is the dunmer F word from my understanding. When blastbones explodes, Miri yells “Fetch! Fetch!! Feeetch!!!”1 -
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✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »
[snip]
Didn’t you also think a dark elf was calling you Sarah when he used the word “sera”? There’s not a dictionary for these words that I know of but you can infer the meaning of them from context.
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Djennku✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »
The same word can have different meanings and that's actually the case (as far as i understand it). Sure, they could have used other words but is this really such a big deal?
It is still bad English and would have been rejected by all the editors I have written for over the years (for publication when that still happened).
It is just annoying. Posting a note about it here won't change anything, but is relatively harmless and this thread will soon fade.
If you disagree, please note an example of good English where a word is repeated in the same sentence? Find an example in a writing Style book as well.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. (Translation: Bison that bother bison bothering bison that bother other bison.)
It's a completely grammatically accurate sentence, one of those fun facts I learned awhile back.
EDIT: Also, what's your definition of 'good' English? If you mean proper grammar and sentence structure, both the above sentence and mirri's dialogue apply.Edited by Djennku on May 1, 2022 4:13PM@Djennku, PCNA.
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Djennku✭✭✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »
[snip]
Didn’t you also think a dark elf was calling you Sarah when he used the word “sera”? There’s not a dictionary for these words that I know of but you can infer the meaning of them from context.
There's actually an in game book or piece of writing somewhere detailing all the dark elf words and translations (that or an NPC explains this one). Sera is a term showing respect.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on May 1, 2022 4:23PM@Djennku, PCNA.
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✭✭✭@FlopsyPrince
Again, you're overlooking or ignoring the fact people have pointed out numerous times that "fetch" is the word Dummer use for the F-word. "Fetching" in this way means eff'ing. It has nothing to do with 'bad English' when the race using that term isn't English or even human.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
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✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »
The same word can have different meanings and that's actually the case (as far as i understand it). Sure, they could have used other words but is this really such a big deal?
It is still bad English and would have been rejected by all the editors I have written for over the years (for publication when that still happened).
It is just annoying. Posting a note about it here won't change anything, but is relatively harmless and this thread will soon fade.
If you disagree, please note an example of good English where a word is repeated in the same sentence? Find an example in a writing Style book as well.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. (Translation: Bison that bother bison bothering bison that bother other bison.)
It's a completely grammatically accurate sentence, one of those fun facts I learned awhile back.
EDIT: Also, what's your definition of 'good' English? If you mean proper grammar and sentence structure, both the above sentence and mirri's dialogue apply.
Anyone who talked that way in public would be pushed to the side at best, unless they are in a high political role perhaps....Edited by FlopsyPrince on May 1, 2022 9:44PMPC
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »How does something fetch a fair fetching price?
Did anyone proofread the script or the one reading it pay any attention?
You don'[t swear much do you.2 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭[snip]
Many replying here have to take a personal affront to how I am seeing things. And I am not being all that wild.
Feel free to dislike it or tell me it is just wonderful. I will put up with it (obviously) just like I put up with her illogic about alchemy (butterflies and torchbugs) and Bastian's whining about killing spiders.
Amazing!
[edited for discussing moderator action]Edited by ZOS_Icy on May 2, 2022 10:25AMPC
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »How does something fetch a fair fetching price?
Did anyone proofread the script or the one reading it pay any attention?
You don'[t swear much do you.
No I do not. More as I get older and have become a curmudgeon, but I usually find it unnecessarily blunts speech and is not really "adult" as many claim. I am a minority in this area.
Though then I thought "Gott en Eimel" (sp?) was just a phrase, not a kind of curse, years ago, so yeah, I don't curse much.PC
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✭✭✭✭✭If anyone's seen "The Boondock Saints" and remembers the "Well it certainly illustrates the diversity of the word" scene, then you understand how the Dunmer use the word "fetch".
It certainly makes the whole game a heck of a lot funnier if in your head you replace every instance of "fetch" with...something else.
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✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »Many replying here have to take a personal affront to how I am seeing things. And I am not being all that wild.
Honestly, most of the posts seemed like normal-tone responses, to you taking affront.
Which I suppose illustrates the issue - we're perceiving language differently at a relatively basic level.Though then I thought "Gott en Eimel" (sp?) was just a phrase, not a kind of curse
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edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »How does something fetch a fair fetching price?
Did anyone proofread the script or the one reading it pay any attention?
I like it....it's cute...2 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »
The same word can have different meanings and that's actually the case (as far as i understand it). Sure, they could have used other words but is this really such a big deal?
It is still bad English and would have been rejected by all the editors I have written for over the years (for publication when that still happened).
It is just annoying. Posting a note about it here won't change anything, but is relatively harmless and this thread will soon fade.
If you disagree, please note an example of good English where a word is repeated in the same sentence? Find an example in a writing Style book as well.
"My horse barreled through the barrel race, rounding the last barrel in time for second place."
Despite using barrel in two or three different ways, it's pretty clear that the word is being used correctly, and you can tell what's happening.
"Let me mount my mount."
Again, we've got a verb/noun combo that an Editor might sneer at, but is also understandable.
Personally, I can see it would be confusing for anyone who doesn't realize that "fetch" is Dunmer slang. But since I do, I think her overuse of "fetch" is comedic.
Also:
I love this...5 -
Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭How do fetching fetch a fair fetching price you fetching fetcher!Edited by Hapexamendios on May 2, 2022 1:07AM1 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »How does something fetch a fair fetching price?
Did anyone proofread the script or the one reading it pay any attention?
You don'[t swear much do you.
No I do not. More as I get older and have become a curmudgeon, but I usually find it unnecessarily blunts speech and is not really "adult" as many claim. I am a minority in this area.
Though then I thought "Gott en Eimel" (sp?) was just a phrase, not a kind of curse, years ago, so yeah, I don't curse much.
It's actually been shown that people that swear more often, properly in context, have higher IQ and normally broader vocabularies.
Either way as others have said it's basically the F word to dunmer. Just like Frakwas for Battlestar I believe?
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✭✭✭✭✭Cursing (in general) presupposes a need to release frustration. So some of us swear (yeah - moi... I can outswear any sailor, and sometimes it's just something I do to pop the pressure valve - but NOT in game, and here it's only the normal "hell" and "damn"). And some people don't have that much frustration, so they don't swear.
Others are dealing with RL stuff that puts them in the place of "I can't swear even if I want to because"....
Then again, if you're in a dungeon group, you don't really know who those other people are - and how they'll react to a lot of cursing. So, yeah, I think people should just try to keep an even keel and not go overboard....Edited by Sylvermynx on May 2, 2022 1:25AM1 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Again, you're overlooking or ignoring the fact people have pointed out numerous times that "fetch" is the word Dummer use for the F-word. "Fetching" in this way means eff'ing. It has nothing to do with 'bad English' when the race using that term isn't English or even human.
I'm pretty sure it only became the "F-word" with Mirri. Before then it has only been "fetcher" which is more of an insult.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
Drammanoth✭✭✭✭✭
FlopsyPrince's quote abbreviated by meFlopsyPrince wrote: »(...) More as I get older and have become a curmudgeon, but I usually find it unnecessarily blunts speech and is not really "adult" as many claim. I am a minority in this area.(...) Gott en Eimel" (sp?) was just a phrase, not a kind of curse, years ago.
Young people may often want to (over)emphasise how great or tragic something is, or they think swearing is "oh, so mature" because grown-ups do it. And yet, 'grown-up' does not equal 'mature'.
Losing temper and adding swearwords where they are needless is a waste of space. Not only that, but also it may show one's lack of education due to not knowing any other words, or WAYS, to express what one feels in the given moment.
Following on what FlopsyPrince wrote above, it's not getting curmudgeony (oh, I love the word
) it's about seeing the futility to ALWAYS break the taboo (in essence, swearing is about doing that). My wishlist for ESOI.Skills:
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✭Spoken English has no rules, there is no such thing as bad English speech, there is only English.
Also as far as lore is concerned, nobody in TES speaks English, they speak Common Tamrielic.
The Dunmeri page on uESP is not very comprehensive. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dunmer_LanguageEdited by essi2 on May 2, 2022 8:11AM"The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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✭✭As any student of English should know, "fetching" is another word for attractive, so "fetch a fair, fetching price" is perfectly good. Indeed rather poetic with its triple alliteration.
And that's without even considering the play on words given the way dark elves use "fetch", "fetcher", and "fetching".
Triple alliteration, punning, swearing... what's not to like?!10 -
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✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »
Unless it's intentional for comedic effect because the word is a homonym.@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2000
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