TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »I watched my buddy over the weekend drop down into a full group on the inner door. No help. Hit storm and wiped em in 15 seconds. I recognized the names. They weren't slouches.
I don't have any way to share his videos or I would.
Point is, they are harder to use and take A LOT of practice but they can murder with the best of them in the right hands. Now if you wanna argue that should be as easy as Stam, well that's a different conservation.
i'd like to see him try to survive any type of mild punishment.
He had 12 people attacking him...
they must have been really bad. unless he was getting heals from a healer there's no way you can live 12 semi competent people on a magden. that's just not how this patch works.
He heals himself. You can see YouTube videos of people doing the exact same thing. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible, ya know?
He wears pariah. I don't know what light set he wears. It's not a build I'm interested in. The only mag character I run is templar.
It's the old "I'm in light armor so I just get killed." It's not really true. You just have to be ready to work hard if you get surrounded or work hard to keep at range.
But honestly he fights mostly in melee anyway because he's a crazy person. Does he die? We all die. But this idea that no one can run magden in Cyro isn't really true. It's not like we're talking about magdk.
not even vampire pariah helps you to survive on magicka warden since your burst healing is too awful. i don't believe he didn't have outside help to live against 12 people unless they were really bad.
Burst healing is awful? Lol. You got multiple burst heals that one crit can fill you up. Plus you can drop hots, which he does.
Believe what you want.
i'll believe what i see and have seen for a long time. trellis, blast and shrooms don't burst heal for very much at all, budding seeds is incredibly buggy and takes too long to burst heal yourself even if you spam it, when it is then prone to bugs and lag, being forced to use resto means your blocking will suck and your best burst heal becomes blessing of restoration. trees's burst heal is alright but it's not as much as a single necro/templar/sorc burst heal even though it's on a 90 cost ultimate. you can't use annulment because it's too awful even with incredibly high max magicka.
That's just not true about arctic. On a magden with 45k healing with passives that thing is just as strong as honor the dead.
Hell, I just checked my magden defile tank. 28k mag. Trash spell damage. I critted 18k on my arctic. Base it was still 13k.
Please, just go on YouTube and search magden pvp and watch them murder people. It's not an easy build but it can rock people.
the more you funnel into health just to get a good heal, the more your damage takes a hit, that's just a fact. you cannot balance being a full hp tank with being a damage dealer unless you're fighting bad players. good luck trying to fight good players with that.
I have an example of what I can do on a 35k magden tank with no CP healing slots.
A 45k mag magden blows my heals out if the water. You can easily full heal from 1% with a crit arctic.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »I watched my buddy over the weekend drop down into a full group on the inner door. No help. Hit storm and wiped em in 15 seconds. I recognized the names. They weren't slouches.
I don't have any way to share his videos or I would.
Point is, they are harder to use and take A LOT of practice but they can murder with the best of them in the right hands. Now if you wanna argue that should be as easy as Stam, well that's a different conservation.
i'd like to see him try to survive any type of mild punishment.
He had 12 people attacking him...
they must have been really bad. unless he was getting heals from a healer there's no way you can live 12 semi competent people on a magden. that's just not how this patch works.
He heals himself. You can see YouTube videos of people doing the exact same thing. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible, ya know?
He wears pariah. I don't know what light set he wears. It's not a build I'm interested in. The only mag character I run is templar.
It's the old "I'm in light armor so I just get killed." It's not really true. You just have to be ready to work hard if you get surrounded or work hard to keep at range.
But honestly he fights mostly in melee anyway because he's a crazy person. Does he die? We all die. But this idea that no one can run magden in Cyro isn't really true. It's not like we're talking about magdk.
not even vampire pariah helps you to survive on magicka warden since your burst healing is too awful. i don't believe he didn't have outside help to live against 12 people unless they were really bad.
Burst healing is awful? Lol. You got multiple burst heals that one crit can fill you up. Plus you can drop hots, which he does.
Believe what you want.
i'll believe what i see and have seen for a long time. trellis, blast and shrooms don't burst heal for very much at all, budding seeds is incredibly buggy and takes too long to burst heal yourself even if you spam it, when it is then prone to bugs and lag, being forced to use resto means your blocking will suck and your best burst heal becomes blessing of restoration. trees's burst heal is alright but it's not as much as a single necro/templar/sorc burst heal even though it's on a 90 cost ultimate. you can't use annulment because it's too awful even with incredibly high max magicka.
That's just not true about arctic. On a magden with 45k healing with passives that thing is just as strong as honor the dead.
Hell, I just checked my magden defile tank. 28k mag. Trash spell damage. I critted 18k on my arctic. Base it was still 13k.
Please, just go on YouTube and search magden pvp and watch them murder people. It's not an easy build but it can rock people.
the more you funnel into health just to get a good heal, the more your damage takes a hit, that's just a fact. you cannot balance being a full hp tank with being a damage dealer unless you're fighting bad players. good luck trying to fight good players with that.
I have an example of what I can do on a 35k magden tank with no CP healing slots.
A 45k mag magden blows my heals out if the water. You can easily full heal from 1% with a crit arctic.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
35k hp? that's nothing. 45k is okay healing but no damage. neither is good.
TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »I watched my buddy over the weekend drop down into a full group on the inner door. No help. Hit storm and wiped em in 15 seconds. I recognized the names. They weren't slouches.
I don't have any way to share his videos or I would.
Point is, they are harder to use and take A LOT of practice but they can murder with the best of them in the right hands. Now if you wanna argue that should be as easy as Stam, well that's a different conservation.
i'd like to see him try to survive any type of mild punishment.
He had 12 people attacking him...
they must have been really bad. unless he was getting heals from a healer there's no way you can live 12 semi competent people on a magden. that's just not how this patch works.
He heals himself. You can see YouTube videos of people doing the exact same thing. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible, ya know?
He wears pariah. I don't know what light set he wears. It's not a build I'm interested in. The only mag character I run is templar.
It's the old "I'm in light armor so I just get killed." It's not really true. You just have to be ready to work hard if you get surrounded or work hard to keep at range.
But honestly he fights mostly in melee anyway because he's a crazy person. Does he die? We all die. But this idea that no one can run magden in Cyro isn't really true. It's not like we're talking about magdk.
not even vampire pariah helps you to survive on magicka warden since your burst healing is too awful. i don't believe he didn't have outside help to live against 12 people unless they were really bad.
Burst healing is awful? Lol. You got multiple burst heals that one crit can fill you up. Plus you can drop hots, which he does.
Believe what you want.
i'll believe what i see and have seen for a long time. trellis, blast and shrooms don't burst heal for very much at all, budding seeds is incredibly buggy and takes too long to burst heal yourself even if you spam it, when it is then prone to bugs and lag, being forced to use resto means your blocking will suck and your best burst heal becomes blessing of restoration. trees's burst heal is alright but it's not as much as a single necro/templar/sorc burst heal even though it's on a 90 cost ultimate. you can't use annulment because it's too awful even with incredibly high max magicka.
That's just not true about arctic. On a magden with 45k healing with passives that thing is just as strong as honor the dead.
Hell, I just checked my magden defile tank. 28k mag. Trash spell damage. I critted 18k on my arctic. Base it was still 13k.
Please, just go on YouTube and search magden pvp and watch them murder people. It's not an easy build but it can rock people.
the more you funnel into health just to get a good heal, the more your damage takes a hit, that's just a fact. you cannot balance being a full hp tank with being a damage dealer unless you're fighting bad players. good luck trying to fight good players with that.
I have an example of what I can do on a 35k magden tank with no CP healing slots.
A 45k mag magden blows my heals out if the water. You can easily full heal from 1% with a crit arctic.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
35k hp? that's nothing. 45k is okay healing but no damage. neither is good.
My magden is 35k health, 28k mag and like 24k Stam or thereabouts.
Magden DDs run 45k MAG.
On my tank with only 28k mag and no healing slotables my arctic tool tip is 13k and it crits around 18k.
Magden with 45k Magicka and all passives blows my tank healing out of the water.
TheEndBringer wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »
I have an example of what I can do on a 35k magden tank with no CP healing slots.
A 45k mag magden blows my heals out if the water. You can easily full heal from 1% with a crit arctic.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
35k hp? that's nothing. 45k is okay healing but no damage. neither is good.
My magden is 35k health, 28k mag and like 24k Stam or thereabouts.
Magden DDs run 45k MAG.
On my tank with only 28k mag and no healing slotables my arctic tool tip is 13k and it crits around 18k.
Magden with 45k Magicka and all passives blows my tank healing out of the water.
No, it's not wrong at all.
In the context of Restoration Staves being all some others have it's just utterly perplexing, and I'm not even going towards the comparison of Warden spells vs Blessing of Restoration.
You're missing my point, Nightingale.
Having a dedicated healing tree at all already puts Warden well ahead of plenty others - others that do, in fact, have no choice but slot a Restoration staff. You do. You just decide to somehow declare all of it not worth it and then drop some hyperbole.
I mean, Shrooms is awful, really? A self-heal independent of weapons, within less than 10% of Blessing of Protection that also grants you resource recovery buffs? That is also roughly equal to Healing Ritual, but cheaper?
Sure, Healing Ritual isn't the strongest selfheal burst the Templar has; Rushed Ceremony does more, but that doesn't make Shrooms 'Awful'. Compared to a two-slot skill like the Sorcerer's twilight, the argument becomes even flimsier, and the rest of the Sorcerer's healing kit is starkly more limited.
I'm not saying Magden is as strong as a Stamden right now, or that others may or may not have individually better skills, but as a whole, Magden really isn't disadvantaged in terms of its healing toolkits.
To me this threads tells that people are dying from more experienced PvP players and istead of trying to be better blame some specific classes and demand a nerf for them.
I am not a good PvP player but still I enjoy playing it yet I never blame someone that plays better than the only reason he/she is because of an OP class.
From the early days of ESO I remember people complain about classes that are OP and asking for a nerf (e.g sorc,dk's wings etc.) at the time.
So this whole thing sounds to me more like L2P issue and less this class is broken,as it always has been.
To me this threads tells that people are dying from more experienced PvP players and istead of trying to be better blame some specific classes and demand a nerf for them.
I am not a good PvP player but still I enjoy playing it yet I never blame someone that plays better than the only reason he/she is because of an OP class.
From the early days of ESO I remember people complain about classes that are OP and asking for a nerf (e.g sorc,dk's wings etc.) at the time.
So this whole thing sounds to me more like L2P issue and less this class is broken,as it always has been.