Minor toughness refreshes on every application and resets the health bar, so you are constantly missing health when being healed by a warden.

So it's not specific to Warden's minor toughness. There is something wrong with the buff system as a whole. Spell Power Cure also resets every second.

Video included: As fun as this is to look at, I doubt it's intended. I do love my purple rave though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r78k1I-yaG4&ab_channel=Vaxtin

Heavy attack sets like (Seargent’s, Undaunted Infiltrator) double their bonus damage on dual wield but not on other stamina weapons. This double bonus damage is further boosted by modifiers such as molten armaments.

This allows for extremely high instant burst damage with a heavy attack + skill, even while wearing heavy armor and stacking speed/health

This also makes all other stamina weapons worthless for heavy attack builds since dual wield is twice as good

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Minor toughness refreshes on every application and resets the health bar, so you are constantly missing health when being healed by a warden.

So it's not specific to Warden's minor toughness. There is something wrong with the buff system as a whole. Spell Power Cure also resets every second.

Video included: As fun as this is to look at, I doubt it's intended. I do love my purple rave though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r78k1I-yaG4&ab_channel=Vaxtin

can reconfirm this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxVLo-q_cJI&feature=youtu.be

I feel that pierce armor should have minor cowardice rather than minor breach given the changes to minor maim and minor protection.

Firstmep wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Heavy attack sets like (Seargent’s, Undaunted Infiltrator) double their bonus damage on dual wield but not on other stamina weapons. This double bonus damage is further boosted by modifiers such as molten armaments.

This allows for extremely high instant burst damage with a heavy attack + skill, even while wearing heavy armor and stacking speed/health

This also makes all other stamina weapons worthless for heavy attack builds since dual wield is twice as good

Sounds like your complaint is about DKs using the set. So why nerf the set? And you have repeatedly claimed this 'double dipping' thing and yet you have never provided any proof. And if you read the patch notes "Fixed an issue where Dual Wield Heavy Attacks would calculate their Sneak Attack damage incorrectly in some cases, producing absurdly high results." seems that they've already taken care of it. So why continue?

No, he means the flat damage gets added to both parts of the dual wield heavy attack.
DK or not this works in everyone.
Sets like infallible aether also gives its flat dmg to every tick of channeled heavy attacks.
It has been like this for a long time, he's just salty that his triple proc bow necro gets hopped by a well prepared heavy attack burst.

Well prepared = hold down the left mouse button from 20 feet away and around a corner (because of stacked move speed and heavy armor).

It totally makes sense that you can quad proc 1 shot someone wearing two of these sets with dual wield + modifiers, but can’t do that with any other stamina weapons.

I’d actually like to see more people exploit this if it’s intentional by Zenimax, since very few people do it right.

For maximum cheese wear heavy w/ malacath and use steed with 3 swift; and go infiltrator back bar and use molten armaments and race against time liberally to proc it and stay ultra mobile, seargents mail body, master dual wield front bar. Simply hold down the left mouse button from mid range or around a corner, then land the heavy and your rending slash to instantly kill someone. If they aren’t dead in 1 burst, immediately petrify them and then wind up another heavy + skill to finish them.

Arcanasx wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Heavy attack sets like (Seargent’s, Undaunted Infiltrator) double their bonus damage on dual wield but not on other stamina weapons. This double bonus damage is further boosted by modifiers such as molten armaments.

This allows for extremely high instant burst damage with a heavy attack + skill, even while wearing heavy armor and stacking speed/health

This also makes all other stamina weapons worthless for heavy attack builds since dual wield is twice as good

Sounds like your complaint is about DKs using the set. So why nerf the set? And you have repeatedly claimed this 'double dipping' thing and yet you have never provided any proof. And if you read the patch notes "Fixed an issue where Dual Wield Heavy Attacks would calculate their Sneak Attack damage incorrectly in some cases, producing absurdly high results." seems that they've already taken care of it. So why continue?

No, he means the flat damage gets added to both parts of the dual wield heavy attack.
DK or not this works in everyone.
Sets like infallible aether also gives its flat dmg to every tick of channeled heavy attacks.
It has been like this for a long time, he's just salty that his triple proc bow necro gets hopped by a well prepared heavy attack burst.

Well prepared = hold down the left mouse button from 20 feet away and around a corner (because of stacked move speed and heavy armor).

It totally makes sense that you can quad proc 1 shot someone wearing two of these sets with dual wield + modifiers, but can’t do that with any other stamina weapons.

I’d actually like to see more people exploit this if it’s intentional by Zenimax, since very few people do it right.

For maximum cheese wear heavy w/ malacath and use steed with 3 swift; and go infiltrator back bar and use molten armaments and race against time liberally to proc it and stay ultra mobile, seargents mail body, master dual wield front bar. Simply hold down the left mouse button from mid range or around a corner, then land the heavy and your rending slash to instantly kill someone. If they aren’t dead in 1 burst, immediately petrify them and then wind up another heavy + skill to finish them.

This is supposed to be a thread for reporting new bugs in the PTS for U28, not for personally motivated, hyperbolic nerf attempts that involve conflating different variables that themselves have actually nothing to do with the sergeants/undaunted sets in order to exaggerate its practical effectiveness. Besides if they were to reverse the change to sergeants it will probably reintroduce older bugs into the game that they couldn't fix for years, until they reverted the change.

Edit: Grammar.

I’m not attempting to nerf anything, I’m reporting what I consider to be a bug in a thread about bugs. If Zenimax intentionally wants dual wield to get double the single target damage bonus benefit from heavy attack sets as all other stamina weapons and be able to 1-2 shot people then I’m totally fine with it, even though I’d question their logic. If it’s not a bug, you have nothing to worry about.

Also, why does knight slayer not double on dual wield even though seargents and undaunted infiltrator do? Knight slayer doesn’t seem to be reintroducing old bugs into the game. My guess is a programmer screwed up when they were buffing these older sets and accidentally allowed these two heavy attack sets to double proc on dual wield for unprecedented burst damage.

Even if they fix this DW double HA bonus bug, there are many new non bugged ways to build a heavy attack focused character effectively. Heavy attack builds should be viable and effective, but not bugged and exploited for one weapon type.

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Arcanasx wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Heavy attack sets like (Seargent’s, Undaunted Infiltrator) double their bonus damage on dual wield but not on other stamina weapons. This double bonus damage is further boosted by modifiers such as molten armaments.

This allows for extremely high instant burst damage with a heavy attack + skill, even while wearing heavy armor and stacking speed/health

This also makes all other stamina weapons worthless for heavy attack builds since dual wield is twice as good

Sounds like your complaint is about DKs using the set. So why nerf the set? And you have repeatedly claimed this 'double dipping' thing and yet you have never provided any proof. And if you read the patch notes "Fixed an issue where Dual Wield Heavy Attacks would calculate their Sneak Attack damage incorrectly in some cases, producing absurdly high results." seems that they've already taken care of it. So why continue?

No, he means the flat damage gets added to both parts of the dual wield heavy attack.
DK or not this works in everyone.
Sets like infallible aether also gives its flat dmg to every tick of channeled heavy attacks.
It has been like this for a long time, he's just salty that his triple proc bow necro gets hopped by a well prepared heavy attack burst.

Well prepared = hold down the left mouse button from 20 feet away and around a corner (because of stacked move speed and heavy armor).

It totally makes sense that you can quad proc 1 shot someone wearing two of these sets with dual wield + modifiers, but can’t do that with any other stamina weapons.

I’d actually like to see more people exploit this if it’s intentional by Zenimax, since very few people do it right.

For maximum cheese wear heavy w/ malacath and use steed with 3 swift; and go infiltrator back bar and use molten armaments and race against time liberally to proc it and stay ultra mobile, seargents mail body, master dual wield front bar. Simply hold down the left mouse button from mid range or around a corner, then land the heavy and your rending slash to instantly kill someone. If they aren’t dead in 1 burst, immediately petrify them and then wind up another heavy + skill to finish them.

This is supposed to be a thread for reporting new bugs in the PTS for U28, not for personally motivated, hyperbolic nerf attempts that involve conflating different variables that themselves have actually nothing to do with the sergeants/undaunted sets in order to exaggerate its practical effectiveness. Besides if they were to reverse the change to sergeants it will probably reintroduce older bugs into the game that they couldn't fix for years, until they reverted the change.

Edit: Grammar.

I’m not attempting to nerf anything, I’m reporting what I consider to be a bug in a thread about bugs. If Zenimax intentionally wants dual wield to get double the single target damage bonus benefit from heavy attack sets as all other stamina weapons and be able to 1-2 shot people then I’m totally fine with it, even though I’d question their logic. If it’s not a bug, you have nothing to worry about.

Also, why does knight slayer not double on dual wield even though seargents and undaunted infiltrator do? Knight slayer doesn’t seem to be reintroducing old bugs into the game. My guess is a programmer screwed up when they were buffing these older sets and accidentally allowed these two heavy attack sets to double proc on dual wield for unprecedented burst damage.

Even if they fix this DW double HA bonus bug, there are many new non bugged ways to build a heavy attack focused character effectively. Heavy attack builds should be viable and effective, but not bugged and exploited for one weapon type.

If this was about a genuine concern for bugs, you would have mentioned not only dual wield getting a greater benefit from sergeants/undaunted, but also lightning and resto staves getting 3/4 times the benefit as well, and ask if it was intentional, and leave it at that.

But that isn't what you are doing. You then proceed to conflate a bunch of other things that have inherently nothing to do with those sets. Why are you constantly mentioning "30k hp in heavy armor", "speed stacking", race against time, masters dual wield, malacath, molten armaments, "holding left click 20 feet away around corners", fossilize, etc. Again, why is this even necessary to mention of all of this if this is just a bug report for a couple heavy attack sets? I'm sure you realize all of this can be used/achieved without sergeants/undaunted...none of this is necessary to mention if you truly believed this is just about reporting a bug.

Also, why aren't you mentioning that the magicka lightning and resto staves get 3-4 times the benefit with undaunted over the other magicka weapons of fire and frost staves? Where is your "This is a bugged exploit and is making the other magicka weapons useless with these sets!" Its obvious that this is more than a simple "bug report".

"Also, why does knight slayer not double on dual wield even though seargents and undaunted infiltrator do? Knight slayer doesn’t seem to be reintroducing old bugs into the game. My guess is a programmer screwed up when they were buffing these older sets and accidentally allowed these two heavy attack sets to double proc on dual wield for unprecedented burst damage."

Some sets say "increases the damage of by x" and others say "deals an additional amount of x damage". Sergeants modifies the heavy attack itself, knightslayer deals an additional, separate source of damage. There is a difference.

On top of all this, you were already aware of dual wield working twice for sergeants for months, before you decided to make your nerf thread. So again, this clearly isn't about "reporting a bug", otherwise you would have made your nerf thread months ago, instead of a week ago right after you had a few bad BG matches...

Minor Brittle procs only from Chilled applied from frost damage. Proccing Chilled (while having Frost staff equipped) either via Elemental Weapon ability or Concentrated Force set does not apply Minor Brittle.

Lightning and its morphs are still missing 1 secs and of their overall duration.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/543962/lightning-splash-is-missing-1-second#latest

Interesting tooltip for skoria monster set, it still ACTUALLY has it's cooldown.

MincVinyl wrote: »

Overload heavy attack can still do double ticks and is still exploitable beyond belief.
been reporting this one for almost 2 years now with plenty of video evidence

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Would be nice to finally be able to use a sorc ult on stamsorc considering overload is the only one that somewhat works on a highly mobile class.

They keep adding cool new heavy attack stuff without fixing the bugs for heavy attacks that some people are already exploiting to do unintended burst damage.

With just seargent's mail, undaunted infiltrator, malacath, and master dual wield on a stam dk with molten armaments -> you can land 8-15k burst damage in nocp with every single heavy+rending burst, every 1.75 seconds. And thats with no setup at all. If you add in modifiers like the dk armor debuff, offbalance, or corrosive armor this bugged build can nearly one shot people who are at full health.

And the only word Zenimax has given about this bug was back in 2017 when they said offhand dual wield heavy bonus damage was unintended.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/368280/the-sergeant-set-and-dual-wield-heavy-attacks

Some issues with the new Subterranean Assault:

Fracture/Breach Clarification?
From the patch notes:

This morph no longer applies Fracture, as Deep Fissure now affects all Armor.

This implies that Deep Fissure applies Breach already, which it DOES not. I'm not sure if this is a bug or intentional but it may be a good idea to clarify it if it was intended that Major Fracture was removed from this ability and not replaced by Major Breach.

The echo (2nd hit) the Shalks do don't proc the Bond with Nature passive heal
When the 2nd echo cast goes off, and the shalks despawn, Bond with Nature does not provide it's passive healing effect when it presumably should. NOTE that just for reference the initial heal is triggered when the shalks disappear, not dependent on damage being done so the 2nd hit should apply the same logic.