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Worst Black Fredas EVER???
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CaptainVenom✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was expecting some crown sale so I could get myself a personal merchant. Oh well, it seems I'll need to wait a little longer.🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
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redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nothing appealing imo. I was expecting more."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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Steff_En✭✭✭Have the merchant and banker been cheaper though? Perhaps during anniversary?
Last Black Fredas, banker and merchant were about 3,5k crowns. I bought both for 7k.Lilly Virane - Templar - DC - Makellose Eroberin - Nie endendes Lied - PvE - Heal/Support/DD/Off-Tank - CP2100+PC | EU - 20228 -
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I'd consider buying the banker for the NA server if it was cheaper as it was last year.
PS - I've, as many other, payed the full price for merchant n banker in EU..."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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✭✭I'm kinda on a fence with banker and merchant. They might be useful but I don't really need them as I don't really play dungeons that much. And I already blew lots of crowns on crates in August and October. I still feel shame because of that although Rngeesus was particularly kind to me at that time (in August at least). So a pass for me this time I guess."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭.....I liked the mount....it looks like if a Shiba Inu was a mount...toast doggo mount...Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!3 -
Kilcosu✭✭✭hopefully next weeks sale of mundus stones are good (50% fingers crossed)
I have at 6 or 7 in mind I really want but 4k crowns for one is horrid. been waiting a while for them to come up on sale1 -
Daimonion82✭✭✭✭I was hoping for DLC discount since we didn't have Murkmire and Clockwork City events...
I woudn't complain, but in the meantime we have second event behind a paywall (I don't care about indriks, but still - events shoud be for everyone).
So, I don't like where it all goes.5 -
RefLiberty✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sheezabeast wrote: ».....I liked the mount....it looks like if a Shiba Inu was a mount...toast doggo mount...
Yes indeed, the wolf-doge is cute. But still not approving the BF offers.
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS’s Black Friday policy is fully vindicated by the numbers of long term players who have specifically not spent money due to “waiting for great Black Friday” deals. That’s not a situation ZOS wants. They want you to spend money throughout the year, knowing you’re not going to feel kneecapped because your recent 10k purchase is suddenly sold for a pittance.
Given they have no inventory cost (they don’t have to spend anything storing unbought stock), there’s no pressure on them to sell or to reduce the arbitrary costs they have assigned to various digital products (eg houses at 14,000 crowns).
They’re having a ‘Bleak Fredas ‘ sale because players expect it, not because they are lovely and they like you, and they’re not looking to challenge any of their normal practices, cannibalise any future sales or *** off players who’ve paid “full price”. As someone else said, if you’ve bought crowns, they already have your money, they aren’t going to do another dance for it. Certainly not when they’re dishing out the sarcasm of “8,100 crowns value”.
That said, the banker and merchant are both the most insanely expensive and stupidly useful things in the game. 20% off them is still 20% off.
That would make sense if there was more to spend your Crowns on throughout the year! Now I only started in July so I did spend more at first to get the hairstyle options and costumes I wanted and the banker (totally worth it!). Sure, there are occasionally other things released that I want — one costume, Moonsugar Meadow and some furnishing packs. I spent the Crowns I got during the Crown sale and was anticipating buying more for Black Friday offerings.
If they’re not offering Tel Galen at 40% off because they want you to pay full price and not wait — fine, but it’s never available!
THAT is my frustration and I think many others’ as well. After your initial purchases, what are you going to spend your Crowns on throughout the year???
I was excited about the August Crown store showcase (first one after I started) and anticipated all the costumes, mounts and pets rotating out (so I’d been sure to buy those I wanted) only to find they would all still be there... At least that month there was one costume making a reappearance that I wanted, but there haven’t been any since then (nothing appeals to everyone, so why would you only have one or two each month???).
It just baffles me because I don’t see the business sense of it. Of course, there is all sorts of information I’m not aware of and I’ve made no study of sales and marketing so I could be all wrong. But it’s not like people might save their Crowns all year in the hope of getting a desired costume or furnishing pack on sale; they’ve been waiting for it to be available for purchase at all.8 -
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✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »ZOS’s Black Friday policy is fully vindicated by the numbers of long term players who have specifically not spent money due to “waiting for great Black Friday” deals. That’s not a situation ZOS wants. They want you to spend money throughout the year, knowing you’re not going to feel kneecapped because your recent 10k purchase is suddenly sold for a pittance.
Given they have no inventory cost (they don’t have to spend anything storing unbought stock), there’s no pressure on them to sell or to reduce the arbitrary costs they have assigned to various digital products (eg houses at 14,000 crowns).
They’re having a ‘Bleak Fredas ‘ sale because players expect it, not because they are lovely and they like you, and they’re not looking to challenge any of their normal practices, cannibalise any future sales or *** off players who’ve paid “full price”. As someone else said, if you’ve bought crowns, they already have your money, they aren’t going to do another dance for it. Certainly not when they’re dishing out the sarcasm of “8,100 crowns value”.
That said, the banker and merchant are both the most insanely expensive and stupidly useful things in the game. 20% off them is still 20% off.
That would make sense if there was more to spend your Crowns on throughout the year! Now I only started in July so I did spend more at first to get the hairstyle options and costumes I wanted and the banker (totally worth it!). Sure, there are occasionally other things released that I want — one costume, Moonsugar Meadow and some furnishing packs. I spent the Crowns I got during the Crown sale and was anticipating buying more for Black Friday offerings.
If they’re not offering Tel Galen at 40% off because they want you to pay full price and not wait — fine, but it’s never available!
THAT is my frustration and I think many others’ as well. After your initial purchases, what are you going to spend your Crowns on throughout the year???
I was excited about the August Crown store showcase (first one after I started) and anticipated all the costumes, mounts and pets rotating out (so I’d been sure to buy those I wanted) only to find they would all still be there... At least that month there was one costume making a reappearance that I wanted, but there haven’t been any since then (nothing appeals to everyone, so why would you only have one or two each month???).
It just baffles me because I don’t see the business sense of it. Of course, there is all sorts of information I’m not aware of and I’ve made no study of sales and marketing so I could be all wrong. But it’s not like people might save their Crowns all year in the hope of getting a desired costume or furnishing pack on sale; they’ve been waiting for it to be available for purchase at all.
Totally agree. I'm not sure what the value of making, say, Topal Hideaway only available for very limited periods is, other than to push people over the conviction edge, so they finally commit to the (ridiculous) purchase then for fear of missing out if they wait.
So I agree it's less likely to be the concept of expecting people to save and more the exploitation of 'fear of missing out' to pull money from them. You may be more likely to purchase Tel Galen at full price now because you realise that they are very unlikely to offer it again, much less to offer it at a discount.
If I was an economist, I'd be fascinated by the financial machinations behind ESO and its multiple currencies.5 -
MercilessnVexed✭✭✭✭I was really hoping for the black soot stallion mount. Oh well. Thanks for saving me money ZoS!3 -
PopotoSalad✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »It just baffles me because I don’t see the business sense of it. Of course, there is all sorts of information I’m not aware of and I’ve made no study of sales and marketing so I could be all wrong. But it’s not like people might save their Crowns all year in the hope of getting a desired costume or furnishing pack on sale; they’ve been waiting for it to be available for purchase at all.
Yup. I don't see why everything can't remain available. Being able to save for purchases in my other MMO's shop certainly doesn't decrease how much I buy.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The new wolf is nice but I have more mounts than I can use and I need nothing else from that bundle.Edited by Katahdin on November 28, 2019 6:07PMBeta tester November 20134 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My thing is this. The chapters are great. Well worth the price. The crown store and chapters are where the money is. With performance so bad you’d think ZOS would give us something like a sale on stuff we’d really want.
I mean come Xmas we’ll buy a ton of stuff full price IF it’s available. Maybe ZOS is waiting for Xmas lol.0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »IndianaJames7 wrote: »Unpopular opinion:
Maybe ZOS didn’t have a big Black Friday sale because in the midst of the debacle the past few months have been they felt this might be seen as a further flippant promotion of crown store, which people are always complaining about when they promote while other issues are occurring.
Might be one of those damned if you do damned if you don’t situations. Food for thought.
Yeah because having a crappy sale instead is a much better alternative. Any company that packages a mount with a bunch of trash you throw in your bank and calls it an "8,100 crown value" does not care about backlash.
Yeah, I ignored the "value" hype and just bought the mount because I liked it and because it is around the normal price for a mount.
I was even stupid enough to buy it on a char with full mount upgrades, not realising the upgrades were bind on pick up, not bind on account.
No idea why they did it that way, when they could have just made it bind on account?
I may have to ask if it can be rectified.Edited by Tigerseye on November 29, 2019 3:09AM1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »ZOS’s Black Friday policy is fully vindicated by the numbers of long term players who have specifically not spent money due to “waiting for great Black Friday” deals. That’s not a situation ZOS wants. They want you to spend money throughout the year, knowing you’re not going to feel kneecapped because your recent 10k purchase is suddenly sold for a pittance.
Given they have no inventory cost (they don’t have to spend anything storing unbought stock), there’s no pressure on them to sell or to reduce the arbitrary costs they have assigned to various digital products (eg houses at 14,000 crowns).
They’re having a ‘Bleak Fredas ‘ sale because players expect it, not because they are lovely and they like you, and they’re not looking to challenge any of their normal practices, cannibalise any future sales or *** off players who’ve paid “full price”. As someone else said, if you’ve bought crowns, they already have your money, they aren’t going to do another dance for it. Certainly not when they’re dishing out the sarcasm of “8,100 crowns value”.
That said, the banker and merchant are both the most insanely expensive and stupidly useful things in the game. 20% off them is still 20% off.
That would make sense if there was more to spend your Crowns on throughout the year! Now I only started in July so I did spend more at first to get the hairstyle options and costumes I wanted and the banker (totally worth it!). Sure, there are occasionally other things released that I want — one costume, Moonsugar Meadow and some furnishing packs. I spent the Crowns I got during the Crown sale and was anticipating buying more for Black Friday offerings.
If they’re not offering Tel Galen at 40% off because they want you to pay full price and not wait — fine, but it’s never available!
THAT is my frustration and I think many others’ as well. After your initial purchases, what are you going to spend your Crowns on throughout the year???
I was excited about the August Crown store showcase (first one after I started) and anticipated all the costumes, mounts and pets rotating out (so I’d been sure to buy those I wanted) only to find they would all still be there... At least that month there was one costume making a reappearance that I wanted, but there haven’t been any since then (nothing appeals to everyone, so why would you only have one or two each month???).
It just baffles me because I don’t see the business sense of it. Of course, there is all sorts of information I’m not aware of and I’ve made no study of sales and marketing so I could be all wrong. But it’s not like people might save their Crowns all year in the hope of getting a desired costume or furnishing pack on sale; they’ve been waiting for it to be available for purchase at all.
Totally agree. I'm not sure what the value of making, say, Topal Hideaway only available for very limited periods is, other than to push people over the conviction edge, so they finally commit to the (ridiculous) purchase then for fear of missing out if they wait.
So I agree it's less likely to be the concept of expecting people to save and more the exploitation of 'fear of missing out' to pull money from them. You may be more likely to purchase Tel Galen at full price now because you realise that they are very unlikely to offer it again, much less to offer it at a discount.
If I was an economist, I'd be fascinated by the financial machinations behind ESO and its multiple currencies.
Last time Topal was available it was pretty decent value, to be fair, as it was reduced and there was a Crown sale on at the same time, if I remember correctly.
Admittedly, two reductions coinciding like that is a rarity.Edited by Tigerseye on November 29, 2019 3:23AM0 -
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how they nerfed mount stamina for new characters and then don’t includemount stamina lessons in the Riding lessons in the bundle.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭@Tigerseye They're not bind on pick up. I opened the riding lessons container on my character with already fully upgraded speed, banked the speed ones and used them on my new alt while using the capacity ones on the first character. You just have to open the container and take the items.
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They were probably planning on rolling out an 800 gem mount and 400 gem matching pet for Black Fredas, but thought better of the potential backlash from people who couldn't log in to use them. So they offered something unremarkable instead.
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✭They have no clue how to profit and make customers happy
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Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭They have no clue how to profit and make customers happy
cmon dont u need that fredas special
LMAO 10books speed 10 stamina but no cap...
a wolf... looking like fox on steroid without fox tail
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randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭Contaminate wrote: »The thing is, if you bought crowns already, your sentiment is lost. ZOS already has your money, and once they have that they don’t give a sht about what you think about the game. Anyone who quits with crowns gathered is a positive in their books
That is in part true.
I've had a large number of crowns in my account for over a year and precious little in the crown store that I consider of value to spend them on. I'm still playing and there is no way I will add to that total except by sub and that means there is even less reason to consider a separate crown purchase.
You are looking at things slightly wrong. Everyone will leave with crowns in their accounts unless they find that last item that exactly matches the amount they have available.
If ZOS see people not spending crowns then thats money on the table they are losing because there is no chance with those individuals of getting any more out of them. Large long term crown balances are a failure for ZOS.EU PS44 -
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✭✭✭I understand what they're trying to do with the "value" of the Black Fredas package, but I'm going to contend you can't introduce a bundle for the first time and say it's 75% off. That's the same kind of nonsense Amazon pulls.
I'm a "wait and see" kind of shopper, so I didn't buy crowns in advance. I was hoping for a crown sale, or at least more discounts or returning items. Now I'm spending nothing. Eeehhhh.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨7 -
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[Deleted User]Soul ShrivenHello everyone,
Recently we've had to remove a few posts for off-topic content and a bit of bashing, content which is against the Forum Rules. While criticism is always welcome, be sure to stay constructive and respectful when giving it.
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✭✭✭✭✭randomkeyhits wrote: »Contaminate wrote: »The thing is, if you bought crowns already, your sentiment is lost. ZOS already has your money, and once they have that they don’t give a sht about what you think about the game. Anyone who quits with crowns gathered is a positive in their books
That is in part true.
I've had a large number of crowns in my account for over a year and precious little in the crown store that I consider of value to spend them on. I'm still playing and there is no way I will add to that total except by sub and that means there is even less reason to consider a separate crown purchase.
You are looking at things slightly wrong. Everyone will leave with crowns in their accounts unless they find that last item that exactly matches the amount they have available.
If ZOS see people not spending crowns then thats money on the table they are losing because there is no chance with those individuals of getting any more out of them. Large long term crown balances are a failure for ZOS.
+1 this. I bought a big stash of Crowns ~2 years ago and am still sitting on a large chunk of them. I suspect this is why they made the Chapters cash-only.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Noisivid✭✭✭✭Vogon Poet Laureate1 -
kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »Hello everyone,
Recently we've had to remove a few posts for off-topic content and a bit of bashing, content which is against the Forum Rules. While criticism is always welcome, be sure to stay constructive and respectful when giving it.
Thank you for understanding.
You could also respond to the criticism as well, perhaps if ZOS explained their choice this year it might at least help to feel like the anger isn’t being ignored if not help to make some feel better about the decision.5 -
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✭Araneae6537 wrote: »
It just baffles me because I don’t see the business sense of it. Of course, there is all sorts of information I’m not aware of and I’ve made no study of sales and marketing so I could be all wrong. But it’s not like people might save their Crowns all year in the hope of getting a desired costume or furnishing pack on sale; they’ve been waiting for it to be available for purchase at all.
It's a pretty standard marketing tactic, they are exploiting FOMO as well as creating the impression of limitation and scarcity, which of course doesn't exist for digital items. It can be a balancing act, if you leave things available too often, it can actually be detrimental to sales. Disney used to do this with their film library.
Marvel Heroes Online, from the now defunct Gazillion, tried something like this where they were going to release limited edition costume variants and only sell like 1,000-5,000 and then never release it again, the backlash from the customers was pretty significant. They quickly decided to instead just have the costumes available for limited periods and bring them back from time to time.--- HuntGod ---
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