Chicharron wrote: »

By the way the questions are asked.

It seems that ZOS only cares about the opinion of the representatives.

How can 10 people be the voice of hundreds?

Honest question.

I think you are seeing bullet notes as transcribed according to importance regarding how they will approach PTS next year.
The notes read to me, as this:
- zos asking the reps if the current changes are good or bad based on players actually playing instead of raw anger based on paper.
- them discussing potential changes to be made to those changes
- discussing update 22 items (of which were aren't going to see till PTS or not at all if the reps communicated concerns + ZOs listening to them).

They will either:
1) make additional cleanup on murkmire mistakes and adjust slowly on update 22 items before PTS relying on extra player feedback next year.
2) make small cleanup on murkmire mistakes and adjust greatly update 22 items before PTS hits.

I am thinking the latter, since they asked about item set reviews and general bullet notes without heavy commitments to murkmire changes.

Chicharron wrote: »

By the way the questions are asked.

It seems that ZOS only cares about the opinion of the representatives.

How can 10 people be the voice of hundreds?

Honest question.

Few people representing the voices of many is a concept employed in a vast number of sectors in real life. But the simple fact is that not everyone agrees with each other and that many opinions are just not good. Having representatives who can use their knowledge and experience of the game to filter out the bad ideas/opinions and make sure the good ones get through is overall more helpful to the development of the game than it would be without them.

Is this some kind of joke? I've been looking at the PvP side of these notes and seeing them from a no-cp viewpoint.
As I see it, PvP and to a degree PvE needs to be balanced around the base game play, which is no-cp and I consider it a level playing field in PvP, since you have to make decisions on your build to have both damage and survivability.

"Major Evasion is too strong and counters Templars and Wardens more than other classes"
Hmm ok. How is this affecting wardens and templars?

"Templar Jabs is not cutting it with the changes to Evasion"
Right, there we have it. You should use more than one skill to be able to beat someone. Templar is the only class that can handle the pressure of the DoT-meta we are currently seeing, besides magicka warden.

Wardens I don't know, currently stamwardens are performing extremely well in small to large scale groups, especially ball groups, where they are completely dominating.
For BG's I have no idea, because this frost warden proc set / bleed meta made me stop doing BG's. For 1vX I have no idea and don't care, that's such a niche activity that it should not be balanced towards (would be like balancing PvE around soloing vet content).

If a change is to be made to major evasion (nerf) at least make it also reduce damage taken from Damage over time.

There is not a single word on the over performing warden's or close to unkillable guardplars.

What about 2 hander? Will it be viable when there is more than a handful of people in combat near you?
Since obviously performance issues will always be part of the game.

Snares? Walking at the speed of a tank holding block is pretty far from fun. We already move slower this patch, does so many skills need to have snare linked to them? Shouldn't there be some trade-off somewhere, especially since there are so few counters. I mean there is forward momentum, but it costs more to remove it than to reapply the snare from for example acid spray.

Scattershot, I mean really.. The skill clearly is bugged with the forced animation, but giving this skill a longer than ~12m range is a stupid change, I saw it as a tool to get out of melee combat, now it's just silly.

The playstyle I see mostly in EU-PC Sotha these days are snipers that got a new skill to their arsenal (draining shot), warden ballgroups or huge zergs of lag that makes the game unplayable for anything but a ranged playstyle.

Kanar wrote: »

??? Almost no one runs shuffle/bladecloak in PvE, but class reps want to NERF it?

This is another good day example of how class rep program is terrible; worse than useless.

AoE skills SHOULD be nerfed. It requires very little skill to spam spin2win, shalks, dbos, eots, etc. Evasion is GOOD to reduce the damage of those AoEs. ST abilities have very little benefit over AoEs and come with the challenge of targetting.

The bit about the major buff being too accessible is complete BS, and just an excuse class reps are using to push an evasion nerf. I mean, I guess we need to nerf Major Brutality now because it has 100% uptime! Wow what a transparent line of BS to push an agenda.

I'm on board with you there. Skills like steel tornado are just too easy to hit and can reach similar damage levels compared to a lot of single target skis quickly. There's a reason it is so prevalent in PvP.

We need a Major and Minor Snare debuff, and maybe change Bastion to reduce snares. That would bring a smile to my face

Valykc wrote: »

We need a Major and Minor Snare debuff, and maybe change Bastion to reduce snares. That would bring a smile to my face

we have major/minor snare. Large overrides smallest.

At most you will be hit with a 70%, which is subtractive from your speed (which is mostly additive with some multiplied).
For example, ironblood gives you a 50% snare. When it is active, anything below 50% just doesnt apply to you but you used to be able to stack swift to "lower" this punishment (old purple swift 3x was 24%, so the 50% became a 26% snare without sprint).

Current snare system is fine, lack of speed/escape options isn't.

edit:
another way to ignore snares, gap closers or streak/NB shade all ignore snares.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Unfortunately we ran out of time before we could get to other things, but the Reps have been sending us separate documents with feedback on classes/roles. It just wasn't discussed in this meeting.

Quantum_V wrote: »

However, we have daily contact with ZoS through the discord that we share with ZoS devs and through an internal part of the forums. So we talk about tons of issues on day to day basis through these other means of communication aswell!

I think one of the biggest pain points the community has right now is that we have been giving feedback and submitting reports on bugs which have been in the game for months and even years, but yet nobody from ZOS has even acknowledged them. So when it comes to these meeting notes it gives us a sense of reassurance of knowing what issues/bugs were brought up and discussed, so if there's a lot of back channel communication going on in which the community cannot see what is being discussed and what the devs are aware of it leaves us feeling frustrated because we don't even know if our feedback on issues/bugs is being acknowledged.

There are so many threads where players are asking, "Can we please at least get an acknowledgement/update on this?" so when those things aren't included in the meeting/patch notes it feels as though those issues are still not even being addressed. Or if they are being discussed, but in those back channel communications, then we are feeling frustrated for no reason because we simply weren't even aware that the devs knew about the bugs.

tl;dr
The community just wants to know that certain bugs/issues are at least being acknowledged, and if they don't show up in meeting/patch notes it feels like our feedback and reports aren't being taken seriously.

Item sets, including the 12 new ones and rebalancing of some older sets

ZOS: How desirable or undesirable have the new Item Sets been?

Generally desirable. Bright-Throat’s is powerful but not meta-demanding. Dead-Water’s Guile strong in stam burst PvP groups. Spell Strategist gives Magicka a decent high spell damage option, although it seems to apply the debuff inconsistently
Nothing glaringly op or gamebreaking
Appreciate the near-miss with Soldier of Anguish

Many old sets are no longer desirable

Some BRP weapons aren’t worth the effort

ZOS: Have any of the Item Sets had an impact on the overall PvE/PvP meta?
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OK. So from a PvP perspective. There is nothing meta changing in the new sets...and that's just it. None of these new sets are a "Must have". In fact, right now there aren't ANY sets from Cyrodiil that are "must have". I don't mean that in a way where it's the only viable set to wear. I mean it in a way that none of it is particularly impressive anymore. There was a list someone put out a long time ago and pretty much every set that comes from Cyrodiil RoTW bags, or from the 3 town vendors, is total garbage, and has been for a very long time. Outside of a couple sets...Ravagers, maybe Morag Tong, "possibly" elfbane. There is nothing there that is anything even close to Crafted or PvE sets that a good number of builds use. Cyrodiil sets may as well not even exsist. The older sets need a total and complete overhaul/revamp!!

Cosmetic stuff to spend our AP on(gladiator outfits), and a Golden vendor that very VERY rarely has DLC based items is almost not worth the time or effort in gathering AP. PvP sets need to mean more than just selling off spell strategist to PvE'rs. Nice way to make gold? But quickly becoming vendor trash as the market floods.

I have 4 magicka based PvP toons. I can't see switching out a single one to wear Bright Throat. On the other hand, Bone Pirate is almost a must have on any medium(and maybe some heavy) stam builds. It's just that good. The new stam set that gives constant minor heroism is ok. I made a build using that for an "Utli-generating build". However, after only a day or 2, I tossed it aside because the "in-combat" bug is amplified 10 fold using it!!! At least that's what I'm thinking is happening.

So my take on sets in general is that only crafted and PvE sets are viable in PvP. I also want to mention not a single one of the crafted Murkmire sets are worth the mats to make. I didn't see a single one that I would put on ANY of my toons. I also want to make mention that I'm PRAYING the end of campaign rewards will yield items from the new sets (I know, sounds counter to the rest of this post) But I DO happen to PvE on occasion. How else would I get my PvP sets right?? LOL. So with only a day left before the current one is over. I'd really like to see gold Spell strategist jewelry in there somewhere =/

This upcoming patch... To quote the immortal words of Fa-Nuit-Hen and Tutor Riparious of the Maelstrom Arena
“Do you suppose this one has what it takes”
“Contain your hopes. But let’s find out”

Bird of Prey, Shield, and Evasion discussions look promising... would love for the concept of ice staff and winters embrace dps to be brought up so that the class has some hope for getting more in terms of offensive options but I will take what I can get

Nerf draining shot

Please give us a housing rep

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Because thematically a werewolf taunt makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes a perfect sense. Imagine a scenario:
The group of evil "henchmen" (mobs) are guarding the dungeon. Suddenly they see a group of adventurers:

a knight with a sword, an elf with a bow, a mage and a Werewolf.

Who would they (mobs) attack first ? Who is the biggest threat amongst those four ? ?

WW was originally designed as tank - dps hybrid, specifically for pvp content. So now ppl want to be able to use WW in pve content too. Like I said - it makes no sense to limit WW only to DPS role. We have 3 roles and I understand that healer will never be a "thing" as WW is stamina based. But we have a tank role too. It should be treated with the same importance as DPS.

Don't let your memes be dreams! WW healers could (should?) be a thing! It'd be relatively straightforward to have a morph of the claws bleed heal other WWs in your group for X% of the damage done (up to a max of Y number of WWs in group). Same with the healing howl (forgot it's name). Change one morph to an AoE heal similar to vigor.