FluffyDragg0n wrote: »1) Acquiring skill points, like skyshards, is inconvenient for you. Therefore all 408 skill points in the game should be granted to every character you create.
It is not clear you are just trolling and not serious about this idea. Pretty lame troll though.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Why must you get every Skyshard on every character?FluffyDragg0n wrote: »You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards?
Why must you eat food besides bread? Bread and water for life.
Reason is simple. Because its there and it can be taken. I just find it very strange that someone decided to have people hunt for them every time they want them. If they were to release a number of players that have on the same account multiple characters with all the skyshards I doubt that number would hit 30%.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Why must you get every Skyshard on every character?FluffyDragg0n wrote: »You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards?
Why must you eat food besides bread? Bread and water for life.
Reason is simple. Because its there and it can be taken. I just find it very strange that someone decided to have people hunt for them every time they want them. If they were to release a number of players that have on the same account multiple characters with all the skyshards I doubt that number would hit 30%.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Why must you get every Skyshard on every character?FluffyDragg0n wrote: »You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards?
Why must you eat food besides bread? Bread and water for life.
Reason is simple. Because its there and it can be taken. I just find it very strange that someone decided to have people hunt for them every time they want them. If they were to release a number of players that have on the same account multiple characters with all the skyshards I doubt that number would hit 30%.
Skyshards...compared to....food.........
I've seen enough. You're clearly trolling at this point.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Why must you get every Skyshard on every character?FluffyDragg0n wrote: »You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards?
Why must you eat food besides bread? Bread and water for life.
Reason is simple. Because its there and it can be taken. I just find it very strange that someone decided to have people hunt for them every time they want them. If they were to release a number of players that have on the same account multiple characters with all the skyshards I doubt that number would hit 30%.
Skyshards...compared to....food.........
I've seen enough. You're clearly trolling at this point.
you actually took the time to quote it. good. now take the time to understand the meaning.
The world would be a lot simpler if game designers could think like players and not like, well, game designers.FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Why must you get every Skyshard on every character?FluffyDragg0n wrote: »You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards?
Why must you eat food besides bread? Bread and water for life.
Reason is simple. Because its there and it can be taken. I just find it very strange that someone decided to have people hunt for them every time they want them. If they were to release a number of players that have on the same account multiple characters with all the skyshards I doubt that number would hit 30%.
Are you saying that you can't control your impulses and you must claim them because they exist? That's not ZOS's problem, though I suppose you could use the cop-out of "they're using predatory game mechanics to manipulate me". But I don't think you're saying that, not really, because you're arguing for a system where you DON'T have to do that on every character.
The reason few, if any, players have collected all Skyshards on all characters is because it's not necessary. There's a cost to doing it - time - and why would you spend time on something if you don't need it, or don't enjoy the process of getting it?
I think you would help your understanding of why it is the way it is if you didn't think like a player for a moment and at least tried to think like a game developer. No, I'm not saying go out and get a degree, but I'm suggesting you look at it from the studio's point of view. There's value in repeatable content, even if it's tedious or excessive to some. As a player, you want to skip the grind. As a developer, they want you to do the grind. Not have the option to do it. They could do a lot worse by designing the game in a way where you HAD to collect every Skyshard on every character in order to be competitive in a chosen game format. But that's not the case, is it?
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Why must you get every Skyshard on every character?FluffyDragg0n wrote: »You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards?
Why must you eat food besides bread? Bread and water for life.
Reason is simple. Because its there and it can be taken. I just find it very strange that someone decided to have people hunt for them every time they want them. If they were to release a number of players that have on the same account multiple characters with all the skyshards I doubt that number would hit 30%.
Skyshards...compared to....food.........
I've seen enough. You're clearly trolling at this point.
you actually took the time to quote it. good. now take the time to understand the meaning.
Considering you don't take the time to understand nor read other people's thoroughly written replys, why in the name of oblivion should I do the same for you?
Toodles~
It's a damn good thing I don't have to grind for Skyshards, then. If I did, I'd be pretty angry!FluffyDragg0n wrote: »you are basically saying that such grind is ok. I understand grinding for gear. but gear and skyshards are different things. I am stating that no one wants to grind skyshards in their current state. Waste of content. Grinding level, and quests for SP I see everyone do it. For skyshards..... no I don't see. Actually I see even less people that do it once since there is no real benefit to them because they are limited to only 1 character.
Again. I state one thing. None of you actually consider the skyshard business convenient at this point. Excuse yourself as you may. If i were to check every and each one of you, most would be with 0 characters with full skyshards some would have 1-2 chars with skyshard completion and maybe 1-2 with 16 chars every single one with all the skyshards.
xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »At best I can see the achievements as accountwide. But at the heart of this game is an RPG, and having your character earn the xp and skills to become more powerful is part of the process of an RPG.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »At best I can see the achievements as accountwide. But at the heart of this game is an RPG, and having your character earn the xp and skills to become more powerful is part of the process of an RPG.
yes. I agree. but I am saying something different. NO ONE IS GOING TO GET ALL THE SKYSHARDS ON EVERY CHARACTER. Taking this into account... what would you do? le them stay there, Ignore them, or find a way to make them more pleasant.
No one wanted tha pathfinder achievement. Put a mount, pet and house as rewards..... EvEryONE loses their minds and gets tha pathfinder achievement.
No one wants to grind the skyshards at their current state. SAY THAT IF YOU GET THEM ONCE EVERY CHARACTER WILL GET THEM AT LEVEL 50*. AND EVERYONE WILL GO FOR THEM AS THEY WILL BECOME A PLEASANT GRIND.
Counter arguments? pretty much saying I am not right here..... well take time and think what that will imply.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »1) Acquiring skill points, like skyshards, is inconvenient for you. Therefore all 408 skill points in the game should be granted to every character you create.
tf is the math here? 408 sp? show me the numbers.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »2) Levelling should be removed from the game. Levelling takes time. It is inconvenient for you. Therefore all new characters you create should start at champion rank.
At this point I can shout troll, and I'd be right
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »3) Gameplay skill takes a great deal of time. Mastering a class, learning game mechanics, and overcoming challenges all require a significant amount of practice. This is inconvenient for you. Therefore remove all abilities from the game and replace them with a one-shot kill button.
I hear your mother calling in the kitchen. Go wash dishes.
Wtf. I mean what kind of chemistry must happen in the brain to write such a thing? If you don't like the topic..... go troll LoL forums.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Your entire post is aimed at me. Just mocking me. No ideas, no counter arguments, not even 1 simple good thing came out of all that typing. You consider that you should farm 16 times 400+ Skyshards? Prove to me that you did. Otherwise.... what is the point of you being here?
Bouldercleave wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »At best I can see the achievements as accountwide. But at the heart of this game is an RPG, and having your character earn the xp and skills to become more powerful is part of the process of an RPG.
yes. I agree. but I am saying something different. NO ONE IS GOING TO GET ALL THE SKYSHARDS ON EVERY CHARACTER. Taking this into account... what would you do? le them stay there, Ignore them, or find a way to make them more pleasant.
No one wanted tha pathfinder achievement. Put a mount, pet and house as rewards..... EvEryONE loses their minds and gets tha pathfinder achievement.
No one wants to grind the skyshards at their current state. SAY THAT IF YOU GET THEM ONCE EVERY CHARACTER WILL GET THEM AT LEVEL 50*. AND EVERYONE WILL GO FOR THEM AS THEY WILL BECOME A PLEASANT GRIND.
Counter arguments? pretty much saying I am not right here..... well take time and think what that will imply.
Many people TRIED to discuss and counter your points, but they were met with insults and dismissed by you. It seems that if someone has a different view than yours, they are just ignorant trolls.
I'm not going to counter your foolish idea any more, nor am I going to prove that I have several characters with all the skyshards and a full time job - that is just a stupid thing to ask someone to prove.
You simply don't listen to anyone with a different point of view.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »therif. I blocked you mins ago (if not hours). I just see your name and nothing more. Stop. I won't read them.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »At best I can see the achievements as accountwide. But at the heart of this game is an RPG, and having your character earn the xp and skills to become more powerful is part of the process of an RPG.
yes. I agree. but I am saying something different. NO ONE IS GOING TO GET ALL THE SKYSHARDS ON EVERY CHARACTER. Taking this into account... what would you do? le them stay there, Ignore them, or find a way to make them more pleasant.
No one wanted tha pathfinder achievement. Put a mount, pet and house as rewards..... EvEryONE loses their minds and gets tha pathfinder achievement.
No one wants to grind the skyshards at their current state. SAY THAT IF YOU GET THEM ONCE EVERY CHARACTER WILL GET THEM AT LEVEL 50*. AND EVERYONE WILL GO FOR THEM AS THEY WILL BECOME A PLEASANT GRIND.
Counter arguments? pretty much saying I am not right here..... well take time and think what that will imply.
Many people TRIED to discuss and counter your points, but they were met with insults and dismissed by you. It seems that if someone has a different view than yours, they are just ignorant trolls.
I'm not going to counter your foolish idea any more, nor am I going to prove that I have several characters with all the skyshards and a full time job - that is just a stupid thing to ask someone to prove.
You simply don't listen to anyone with a different point of view.
do pm me, add me on discord, show me your many characters with skyshards and I will simply end this topic here.
Also, I don't listen to those that say: "Grinding skyshards on all your characters is the games ideas for X reason" but in truth.... they would like them. They would like those skyshards. If only there would be another way.
I've met many prideful people that can't say what they want because of their false pride. So many. I simply state what I want. And the only way to stop me.... is showing me that my current method is wrong. SHOW me the amount of time you poured into getting 16 characters with all the skyshards and I will simply feel embarrassed that I tried to find the easy way out. And I will stop.
Bark at me and I won't stop moving. Prove to me my path is wrong and I will seek another.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »therif. I blocked you mins ago (if not hours). I just see your name and nothing more. Stop. I won't read them.
Wow. I mean wow.
No, just no.
You have to explore and unlock things on each toon for a reason. Without the grind the game would get boring very quickly.
Why do people want easy mode give me everything right now, where's the fun and challenge in that?
Bouldercleave wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »At best I can see the achievements as accountwide. But at the heart of this game is an RPG, and having your character earn the xp and skills to become more powerful is part of the process of an RPG.
yes. I agree. but I am saying something different. NO ONE IS GOING TO GET ALL THE SKYSHARDS ON EVERY CHARACTER. Taking this into account... what would you do? le them stay there, Ignore them, or find a way to make them more pleasant.
No one wanted tha pathfinder achievement. Put a mount, pet and house as rewards..... EvEryONE loses their minds and gets tha pathfinder achievement.
No one wants to grind the skyshards at their current state. SAY THAT IF YOU GET THEM ONCE EVERY CHARACTER WILL GET THEM AT LEVEL 50*. AND EVERYONE WILL GO FOR THEM AS THEY WILL BECOME A PLEASANT GRIND.
Counter arguments? pretty much saying I am not right here..... well take time and think what that will imply.
Many people TRIED to discuss and counter your points, but they were met with insults and dismissed by you. It seems that if someone has a different view than yours, they are just ignorant trolls.
I'm not going to counter your foolish idea any more, nor am I going to prove that I have several characters with all the skyshards and a full time job - that is just a stupid thing to ask someone to prove.
You simply don't listen to anyone with a different point of view.
do pm me, add me on discord, show me your many characters with skyshards and I will simply end this topic here.
Also, I don't listen to those that say: "Grinding skyshards on all your characters is the games ideas for X reason" but in truth.... they would like them. They would like those skyshards. If only there would be another way.
I've met many prideful people that can't say what they want because of their false pride. So many. I simply state what I want. And the only way to stop me.... is showing me that my current method is wrong. SHOW me the amount of time you poured into getting 16 characters with all the skyshards and I will simply feel embarrassed that I tried to find the easy way out. And I will stop.
Bark at me and I won't stop moving. Prove to me my path is wrong and I will seek another.
I can assure you, I am not going to "prove" anything to you.
Nobody is trying to stop you from stating your case, but you simply refuse to acknowledge anyone that has a counter point.
Bouldercleave wrote: »FluffyDragg0n wrote: »therif. I blocked you mins ago (if not hours). I just see your name and nothing more. Stop. I won't read them.
Wow. I mean wow.
Are you surprised? You had the audacity to disagree and have a valid point. Shame on you.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »
Also, I don't listen to those that say: "Grinding skyshards on all your characters is the games ideas for X reason" but in truth.... they would like them. They would like those skyshards. If only there would be another way.
FluffyDragg0n wrote: »Saying that zos doesn't want to lose money, the mindless grind is necessary, or just stating that I am not right. Have no place here. Either prove that the game will break like in the case of motifs, or prove that you actually have all the skyshards on all the characters. Otherwise don't suggest to others what you yourself wouldn't do. Just because something is there doesn't mean it has to or its the final form/idea or is the only way to he. Things can be changed if given reasons.
So far... all those opposing have 0 rights to do so.