1. There is widespread belief that something (the champion system in the most likely culprit) is mitigating the damage by too much. See Cinbri’s post and notes here and here. See my comparison of damage here (note how my Burning Light damage is similar but my Sweeps damage is so much lower).
2. All templars are worried that Evasion will basically be up on every stamina character as well as magicka NBs, which means our spammable will be mitigated by 25% against the majority of opponents. My personal suggestion if to make it so the “closest target” which received the damage boost does not get mitigated by Evasion.
3. The targeting reform was helpful and appreciated, but it’s still hard to hit skillful agile players. Speed disparity is definitely an issue so what was said at the meeting ought to help. Giving Templars some more class control would also help.

1. The main concern Templars have with Radial Sweep (i.e. both morphs) is that it just misses sometimes, even targets standing right next to the Templar.
2. The radius/range of this ultimate is too short
3. It’s difficult to test just how effective Crescent Sweep is because penetration values are not scaling correctly on the PTS. There is some concern Dawnbreaker/Meteor/Soul Assault still might be better options.
4. The change made to the pulse ought to help #3. Aside from increasing the range, another option might be to model it after Incapacitating Strike, and have the ultimate stun at 120 ultimate (and thus making the templar ultimate always the go to choice for “magplars” rather than Dawnbreaker).

1. A number of Templars (I can’t say what %, it’s a fair number) have suggested to keep the cost of the skill magicka. Magicka “dumps” are generally preferred by stamina-oriented characters.
2. While the stamina sustain in nice, it’s coming at a pretty hefty price: the complete loss of minor vitality and easy 100% uptime on major protection (more on that below).

1. Perhaps make is so Mending effects all healing
2. Perhaps put back Minor Vitality in the Templar kit, maybe to the lackluster Ritualist passive upon activation of a Restoring Light skill.

1. A blocking templar will always be worse off after update 20. Potentially noticeably worse off because they can’t block-cast Puncturing Strikes and thus might not be able to maintain the short uptime of minor protection (Sun Shield is still undesirable to all except *very* high health tank builds.)
2. A non-tank oriented Templar can very easily have the 15% reduction from the old Spear Wall and 100% uptime on the 8% Minor Protection from Restoring Focus. This is now not possible, and another reason for the attraction of heavy armor.
3. In a PvP environment, at present I do not want to use *any* Aedric Spear abilities (Sweeps: see damage bug above and it’s too hard to hit players, Javelin messes up my Eclipse, Toppling Charge is lackluster and too slow to hit anyone, Spear Shards no longer stuns and is easily avoided, Sun Shield is not good except on high health troll builds). So I’m pretty much never going to gain the benefits of that passive whereas on Live I will always gain the benefit of Spear Wall while I need it (i.e. blocking, I slot Sweeps for the passive critical damage, not because I want to use the skill).
4. In short, the situations in which this passive is better are narrow and it’s coming at the cost of something that is unique to the Templar kit. At a minimum the duration ought to be extended (to perhaps 6 seconds) and even then, every one of the Aedric Spear abilities (except perhaps the new Radial Sweep, we still need to see how that actually plays) is in need of reform to ensure these skills are used and that passive is activated.
5. The removal of class unique features is something that should not be encouraged at all.

1. Solar Flare (both morphs) are not popular. The 40% reduction to the Solar Barrage morph was too much and Corrupting Pollen outshines what Dark Flare is supposed to do.
2. Restoring Aura (and the magicka morph Radiant Aura) provides a generic buff that is not cost effective at all.
3. Light Weaver (just bad), Master Ritualist (overshadowed by gear, soul gems are not exciting), Balanced Warrior (not very balanced considering Sorcerer Expert Mage grants bonus to weapon damage), Burning Light (should not be blockable) are all passives that should be reformed
4. Focused Charge (both morphs) are outdated. Cast-times are rare because most people dislike them so off balance feature never comes into play. This aside from the frustrating range limitation, it’s slow speed, lackluster damage, and inability to control opponents (spell is too slow to hit people with Toppling morph, Explosive may hit dodge-roller, but they soon leave Templar in the dust).
5. Various Aedric spear abilities (see above).
6. Restoring Aura passive should be reverted to what it was in Beta.

Stibbons wrote: »

Radiant will be nerfed to 1.8 second channel with a 15% reduction to damage and 35% increase to cost...
Cost is almost 5K Magicka! Most expensive and slowest executioner with lower damage. I have to call this a nerf for Magplars.

danno8 wrote: »

Stibbons wrote: »

Radiant will be nerfed to 1.8 second channel with a 15% reduction to damage and 35% increase to cost...
Cost is almost 5K Magicka! Most expensive and slowest executioner with lower damage. I have to call this a nerf for Magplars.

Why are so many people reading this patch note wrong?

Joy_Division wrote: »

This was the feedback I submitted to Zos:

Community Feedback for Templars

The first thing I would mention is that this was the one part of the class section of the PTS notes that players were genuinely excited to read. Magplars are pleased with their single target DPS. It’s a model for how to approach changes in the future. So, whatever is listed here are just things to make a good set of changes better and should not be seen as representative of Templar frustration.

Puncturing Strikes:
This is the number one concern templars have. In order of importance:

1. There is widespread belief that something (the champion system in the most likely culprit) is mitigating the damage by too much. See Cinbri’s post and notes here and here. See my comparison of damage here (note how my Burning Light damage is similar but my Sweeps damage is so much lower).
2. All templars are worried that Evasion will basically be up on every stamina character as well as magicka NBs, which means our spammable will be mitigated by 25% against the majority of opponents. My personal suggestion if to make it so the “closest target” which received the damage boost does not get mitigated by Evasion.
3. The targeting reform was helpful and appreciated, but it’s still hard to hit skillful agile players. Speed disparity is definitely an issue so what was said at the meeting ought to help. Giving Templars some more class control would also help.

Links:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/396641/puncturing-strikes-and-red-cp-in-u17/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5468303/#Comment_5468303
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5461318/#Comment_5461318

Crescent Sweep:
Swapping the morphs did give all Templars more options.

1. The main concern Templars have with Radial Sweep (i.e. both morphs) is that it just misses sometimes, even targets standing right next to the Templar.
2. The radius/range of this ultimate is too short
3. It’s difficult to test just how effective Crescent Sweep is because penetration values are not scaling correctly on the PTS. There is some concern Dawnbreaker/Meteor/Soul Assault still might be better options.
4. The change made to the pulse ought to help #3. Aside from increasing the range, another option might be to model it after Incapacitating Strike, and have the ultimate stun at 120 ultimate (and thus making the templar ultimate always the go to choice for “magplars” rather than Dawnbreaker).

Rune Focus:
“Stamplars” are happy to get a source of resource management here. This change alone has made some excited to play the next patch. Some things to consider though:

1. A number of Templars (I can’t say what %, it’s a fair number) have suggested to keep the cost of the skill magicka. Magicka “dumps” are generally preferred by stamina-oriented characters.
2. While the stamina sustain in nice, it’s coming at a pretty hefty price: the complete loss of minor vitality and easy 100% uptime on major protection (more on that below).

Loss of Minor Vitality
There is concern for PvP that the rune focus changes are just going to push “Stamplars” to heavy armor to recoup the “tankiness” they lost from the old Rune Focus. Also, “stamplars” and even “magplars” get limited use out of the Mending passive as it only effects Restoring Light heals as that means Vigors, Rallies, Mutagens, Purifying Lights, Puncturing Strikes, etc., are all unaffected.

1. Perhaps make is so Mending effects all healing
2. Perhaps put back Minor Vitality in the Templar kit, maybe to the lackluster Ritualist passive upon activation of a Restoring Light skill.

Change to Aedric Spear:
While the passive is more versatile, it might not be better. One of the frustrating aspects of this change is that a unique 15% block mitigation is being taken away from the Templar kit to be replaced by a generic buff that can be acquired elsewhere and by other classes. This may be a goal of ZOS’s in that this is an established pattern for the past three years, but it represents the further homogenization and loss of distinctiveness of the classes and it’s not just templars that dislike this sort of change. Getting down to brass tacks:

1. A blocking templar will always be worse off after update 20. Potentially noticeably worse off because they can’t block-cast Puncturing Strikes and thus might not be able to maintain the short uptime of minor protection (Sun Shield is still undesirable to all except *very* high health tank builds.)
2. A non-tank oriented Templar can very easily have the 15% reduction from the old Spear Wall and 100% uptime on the 8% Minor Protection from Restoring Focus. This is now not possible, and another reason for the attraction of heavy armor.
3. In a PvP environment, at present I do not want to use *any* Aedric Spear abilities (Sweeps: see damage bug above and it’s too hard to hit players, Javelin messes up my Eclipse, Toppling Charge is lackluster and too slow to hit anyone, Spear Shards no longer stuns and is easily avoided, Sun Shield is not good except on high health troll builds). So I’m pretty much never going to gain the benefits of that passive whereas on Live I will always gain the benefit of Spear Wall while I need it (i.e. blocking, I slot Sweeps for the passive critical damage, not because I want to use the skill).
4. In short, the situations in which this passive is better are narrow and it’s coming at the cost of something that is unique to the Templar kit. At a minimum the duration ought to be extended (to perhaps 6 seconds) and even then, every one of the Aedric Spear abilities (except perhaps the new Radial Sweep, we still need to see how that actually plays) is in need of reform to ensure these skills are used and that passive is activated.
5. The removal of class unique features is something that should not be encouraged at all.

Radiant Destruction:
I haven’t tested the damage to see if it indeed is the same. But I do know the empty channel in the beginning of skill is still there and it should be removed just like the empty channel was removed from Soul Assault. I can get bashed before the spell even activates and does damage. Also, with the frantic pace of combat and burst shields/heals, a target can get super quick get out of execute range, which defeats the whole point of slotting the ability in the first place.

Other “Pain Points” for consideration in future update

1. Solar Flare (both morphs) are not popular. The 40% reduction to the Solar Barrage morph was too much and Corrupting Pollen outshines what Dark Flare is supposed to do.
2. Restoring Aura (and the magicka morph Radiant Aura) provides a generic buff that is not cost effective at all.
3. Light Weaver (just bad), Master Ritualist (overshadowed by gear, soul gems are not exciting), Balanced Warrior (not very balanced considering Sorcerer Expert Mage grants bonus to weapon damage), Burning Light (should not be blockable) are all passives that should be reformed
4. Focused Charge (both morphs) are outdated. Cast-times are rare because most people dislike them so off balance feature never comes into play. This aside from the frustrating range limitation, it’s slow speed, lackluster damage, and inability to control opponents (spell is too slow to hit people with Toppling morph, Explosive may hit dodge-roller, but they soon leave Templar in the dust).
5. Various Aedric spear abilities (see above).
6. Restoring Aura passive should be reverted to what it was in Beta.

Minno wrote: »

Lol blazing shield nerfed ? Didn't we just say the armor+crit resists would result in less dmg being output? (or did I read that wrong from other players on this thread?)

GG swiftplars looking to deslot vamp. 15% not worth giving up other traits for.

RedrunnerFred wrote: »

If anything Blazing Shield should have been buffed. This skill has been complete and utter crap for so long. I have only seen one guy use blazing shield since the first set of nerfs and now there is another 12% damage nerf. If you are running a 50k hp build you'll have a 9k shield in pvp and deal 2.7k retributive magic damage which is reduced by battle spirit, resists, etc. This skills damage is screwed especially because it will take longer for the shield to pop and consequently longer for the damage to proc. That is the nail on the coffin for this skill.

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

Blazing shield is a dead and buried skill.
No one ever visits its grave anymore, Even the R.I.P has faded from the tombstone.
*halloween mood

Jokes aside, can we please have something else to replace it? Something new, shiny and exciting to play with?
Right now, imo, the skill is not worth nor Devs' nor player's time to even look at it.

I would welcome a mag & stam version of a radial fear or stun skill (affecting up for 4? enemies). Forget anything that looks like a shield.

Mag = 5m radial stun
Stam = 5m radial fear

That would be so good.

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

Blazing shield is a dead and buried skill.
No one ever visits its grave anymore, Even the R.I.P has faded from the tombstone.
*halloween mood

Jokes aside, can we please have something else to replace it? Something new, shiny and exciting to play with?
Right now, imo, the skill is not worth nor Devs' nor player's time to even look at it.

I would welcome a mag & stam version of a radial fear or stun skill (affecting up for 4? enemies). Forget anything that looks like a shield.

Mag = 5m radial stun
Stam = 5m radial fear

That would be so good.

A fear sounds good, Gotta fear that holy light, right?
It will make up a bit for the loss of Blinding Flashes a loooooong time ago.

My thought exactly. If I walked up to somebody IRL and they clapped their hands and blinding light came from their body, I would sh*t my pants. So, fear makes total sense

LordSlif wrote: »

can anyone explain me this?:
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AgnbTcTXhE9eiipbVl1kIrYH9TXx