GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Just wanted to point out you seem to have an obsession with bashing DC, every campaign it's the same. Not that I care, just pointing it out. Like it was hardy a thrashing this campaign and DC were in the lead relatively close to the end of the campaign.
I think it's funny though coming from invictus who clearly have little regard for the map apart from farming ap.

While I can only speak for myself, I put a lot of work and AP back into the map. So what if I spend some time farming as well? I think I've earned it. You have no way to know how much time I spend scouting, repairing, and oft times solo yoloing my way into raids just to make them kill me to give EP 2 more seconds to port in before a keep flags. Just because I'm helping my guild on guild raid nights (who also do plenty to retake and defend EP home keeps) doesn't mean I am rooting for anyone other than Team Red.

Pointing out that DC bleeds points while potatoing Chalman isn't a bash, it's the truth. That it's a running gag at this point (akin to Saramis at KC) should show how sick of it we are.

That I prefer stomping smurfs to squishing bananas is no great secret. It has nothing to do with individuals, just old history in this game. I'm sure there are some perfectly lovely folks saddled with blue characters. Hell, one of my good multigame friends is a former No Mercy player, and I got along pretty well with Hovaling, too.

I like people. I don't like blue.

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

To your points, I can offer possible explanation for some of the day but not oceanic times. Not saying I agree with them but maybe explanations,

* EP has always been the real threat to DC in past campaigns and AD has been almost able to be ignored...so pugs habitually go Chalman

Seems AD just proved you wrong on this. They're the ones who pushed DC into the cellar last month, and took it all this month. Just because back in the day we were the unstoppable monsters, doesn't mean those circumstances or guilds are even around anymore. Failure to adjust to changing politics is DC's problem, not mine.

It was blatantly obvious once Ni switched that AD was going to be a force, which is why EP spent a lot of time working on them down south. It'd be nice to get some pressure relieved off Chal when that happened, but was infrequent at best.

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

* Of late campaigns AD has been stacking most of their faction for much of prime time at Ash, where else is there to go when facing a faction stack?

There are two gates west of Ash that lead directly into the AD homeland. I'm pretty sure you understand where I'm going here.

Hitting Chalman doesn't dislodge AD out of Ash. It makes AD stronger because there's a very high percentage chance EP loses Drake, Sej, and/or BRK in a double team faction stack. How likely are you to keep Aleswell if Ash is under siege by AD, and Dragon also has a 15/20 burst on it?

We have the same problem. The only team that wins in that fight is AD because they end up with 8-9 keeps, a whole bunch of points, and EP / DC likely still fighting because Chalman is blue.

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

* There is very little guild presence for much of prime time, which reinforces the problem of the previous point

DC's inability to organize is their problem. Much of it a cultural one. Make a guild or join one of the ones like GoD that are at least trying. Credit to PoD / GoD for working to improve and keep pushing the map for their faction reliably.

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[Snip]. Sometimes it hurts, but in the end it's healthier.

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Iskras wrote: »

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

Congrats to Knights of Ni and TKG on your campaign win!,

I'm seeing this pop up a lot and a special thanks to them is deserved, but will also like to thank all the other guilds and solo players that put in so much effort and made it a pleasure the last 30 days.

@Iskras a special note with all his constructive comments every day every hour of every minute.......made the zone chat interesting at times.


Grats AD

And I'll keep complaining in the US time zone while some insist on making the same mistakes that drove AD to go almost a year without a win. You can hate me as much as you want, I will not change anything.

But in the last 3 days, AD US time zone has changed a bit, many are interested in the campaign and started to take better care of the map and the score.

That's it, to hate me, take a 'chip and get in the queue.'

No hate comes from me, at most if chat get a little to much I place people on ignore for a few hours. That's about as far as I go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJkukRJUPsY
HAIL THE VICTORIOUS AD PUGZ, who proudly got farmed for victory! 100 transmute stone's can buy alot of dignity!

SACRED WABBAJACK

I encourage all DC to ignore @Agrippa_Invisus and his nonsense.

He simply does not understand the bloodlust we have for Chalman and never will. Just because it's red's homekeep, we should apparently not faction stack it down at all times during the day regardless of map circumstance.

"Chalman is Blue" are the most beautiful words ever typed in the history of mankind.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Congrats to Knights of Ni and TKG on your victory.

I'm sure some AD participated as well.

OTOH, DC ended up where I thought they would.

Here's a hint, DC - Single minded obsession gets you positively nowhere. You bled points like crazy to AD to smash your faces into Chalman for a month. Yeah, sure, you got it sometimes, but the costs you paid were pyrrhic.

Time to crowbar your PUGs off Chal mine and start working the map. Two months in a row in the cellar.

when has that not been the case? Chalman is what it is

he who has population during majority's down time, wins the campaigns, its a fact proven over and over and over, as is, once again

there are wild cards that switch factions that happen to be playing for alliance and give them needed population, or not even population, but organization, to score - while others simply don't or can't

this has also been the case for the longest times

at the moment faction switchers decide what happens, since dedicated alliance players - normally - just play for their alliance when their time permits

either way, grats to AD, its about damn time

pzschrek wrote: »

No question that whoever owns off-primetime wins.

I've played on EP so I know the DC-Chalman potato-masher. They never, ever stop. If AD doesn't push too aggressively and rouse ire, it is not particularly difficult to hang onto an Ash-BRK line when the potato-masher is in full swing.

That said, the off-hours folks keeping it close kicked the prime-timers in the ass a bit I think. Toward the end AD actually bothered to occasionally clear enemy off their resources and *GASP* even actually take some of the enemy rss.

lol I got a particular screenshot where pretty much entire DC resources (around many many many keeps owned at a time) light up yellow, it was hilarious because people in zone didn't know what to do and could not port anywhere hahah

Thanks to you guys out there that made it an adventure for us all this round! What a contested campaign it was!

Ni had a blast working with the limited toons available to us this time and we really had to crutch on some of our old adversaries on AD to support us when our group synergy was out. It was a challenge at times when we found ourselves running around with 2 healers in a 12 man... all lowbies XD. To those that joined in to help us out... you have my gratitude. Thank you for helping us help you!

I have this theory that we all have to play our time slot... it's the only time we can play after all! Sometimes it requires pushing the map mercilessly. We really wanted a win for AD this campaign as AD hasn't been competitive for such a long time. The biggest issue with AD is that though they have loads of guilds... they don't have the daily guild presence that the other two factions have. To my knowledge aside from TKG and now Ni as daily guilds they have a few good guilds that run 2-4 days a week at best; and a few that pick up loads of pugs but are very inconsistent in their results. Ni's move to AD seemed to bring the campaign to the closest scoring its had yet and though we don't always like to play the map (It does get old)... it's nice to have purpose outside of farming and fighting... it adds another dimension to the play when you have to strategize how to play your time slot as effectively as possible to help your faction out. I don't really give a sh*t about AP... we should all have plenty by now!

Anyways I'm taking the day off... cause 30 days of daily raid can burn a man out. Congrats to AD! You bananas took it hard for too long and thanks to everyone for your support

This was fun, well played all.

Congratulations to all AD players and guilds. We, TKON, couldn't have won the campaign by ourselves. A special shout-out to Panda Force, Dom Dom, DK, Omni, TKG, Ram, Ruin, and even the Cult of Iskra. Everyone made a contribution worth noting.

We are very grateful for the warm welcome to AD while some of our old friends from DC took a turn for the worse. We enjoy being here. It's definitely a more friendly environment to be around compared to being blue side.

Just an excellently fought campaign by soooo many of ALL factions. But regardless of the outcome and the extremely close score, I doubt any reasonable person can deny that AD was perpetually double teamed by the Purples. Ni and some others new to AD have just experienced what those of us have experienced for 2 yrs ago now: what it feels like to watch two factions run dead south focusing almost exclusively on AD. And I would say that DC came in last entirely because they forgot the score as the campaign wound down and just reflexively continued to hit AD, when they should have turned on EP the way EP was smartly hitting them. It cost them 2nd. AD has now won what...the 5th campaign in 26 or so months? Make no mistake about it, AD continues to be the underdog in Cyrodiil on Vivec. But this was indeed a great victory and all who helped should be congratulated.

Iskras wrote: »

HAHA, nice, ty man

marginal so marginal