I would actually say your question is inaccurate. The only hate I encounter is PvP players hating on PvE. I would say that the reason for that, is that the majority of the game is more focused on PvE. Both in the community, and from ZoS side. PvE gets more new content. If I was to ask someone their build or "What do you think of "X"" their answer will mostly be context of how something fairs in PvE.
- Whats the most powerful magic skill?
- Whats the most powerful stam skill?
I bet most people's answer was a skill that really isn't that great in the other half of the game. Of course people will answer according to there personal preference of PvE/PvP. Personally I know exactly which skill I would answer with when talking about 1 side, but have probably 5 or 6 skills on the other.

Now to illustrate my point, bring on the "No you're wrong" comments, but make sure to list what your primary focus is.

Edit: I think I miss understood the question. I answered for why PvP players hate on PvE players. As to why PvE players dont learn to PvP. I think thats just because PvE Meta is to be a squishballs. That doesn't fly in PvP. Its so ingrained in PvE world that people look down on you if you do NOT have 64 points in resources. If you think about it though, Stam Players run heavy for survival, Shacklebreaker because both resources are important, and so on. Being a squishball isn't fun Unless you know you are an play to that (squishblades)

I feed on players when ever I can in pvp, this one player sent pictures of garlic a wooden stake a cross and holy water true story

Now that the transmute cyrstal thung is over I no longer need to pvp. Win!

i endure silly pvp nonsense in ESO until i get warhorn barrier, purge, caltrops, vigor.
i do battlegrounds because there is guaranteed AP even getting last place (7K AP).
i dont AFK the games, but i do not try because i dont want to be there.
it takes about 10 games to get rank 6 losing each time.
i dont necessarily lose on purpose, but if me running to the enemy feeding them kills and points gets it over with sooner, then thats what i am going to do.
after i get those skills, i am back to pve land where i belong and never coming back.

The OP actually asks two completely separate and only tangentially related questions:

"Why do most pve players hate pvp?" (subject line)

"So, why is pvp so bad for the game?" (post body)

The first question is tendentious at best. I highly doubt the OP has conducted a comprehensive survey of even a representative sample of the ESO player base. So the word "most" is the OP's own impression (best case) or outright trollage (worst case). "Some" makes sense, of course, but this raises a further question - how many of this "some" actually "hate" ESO PVP as opposed to: "do not care for"; "have no time for"; "have other things to focus on"; and so on. For example, if I am grinding Spriggan jewelry to sell for my weekly trading guild quota (let's suppose), or Alik'r dolmens for Dawnbringer, I really haven't the time for PVP do I.

I can speculate on some of the negative views that some people surely hold of ESO PVP - and, in fact, most or all of these have been noted earlier in the thread. Some dislike the entire PVP concept; others do not like the "twitchiness" of ESO's combat system; others still point out rightly that in all PVP (and this goes back to MUDs by my reckoning) there is a good amount of "bad" players (socially speaking); and so on, and so on. Some version of most of these applies to most PVP games out there, I would imagine, although for example WoT is a lot less "twitchy" and more strategic.

The second question, however, is the one I find truly interesting, because it hits on the balance dilemma that hasn't been resolved since the start of ESO (and which applies to any other MMORPG with both PVE and PVP components) - how to balance both PVE and PVP without separating the modes into two entirely separate, non-overlapping games. Because priorities and skill usage in PVP can be very, very different from PVE, so it is fairly easy to tilt the balance towards PVE or PVP builds if one is not careful.

From that standpoint, yes, I believe that if ESO PVP hadn't existed, we might - might! - have had a slightly better chance of a well-balanced PVE meta. Maybe. One assumes a lot of competence and commitment on the part of ZOS to make it so. So from that standpoint, yes, having PVP alongside PVE is "bad". But, on the other hand, there has to be some number of players who play this game - and contribute revenues to it - specifically for the PVP aspect. Which means having PVP may be bad "operationally" but is good "strategically" as any extra money in the pockets of ZOS might, err, trickle down, eventually, to the game itself. Which, of course, need not actually be the case, but at least there is the hope...

Grabmoore wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@Grabmoore

lmaoooo stop being salty that you cant fight something that has a brain.

L2P PVP

Easily, kid. It doesn't even take skill to PvP. Just go on your proc char and dominate BGs or outnumber your opponents in unfair fights in Cyro. I did my emp, I also have a positive K/D/A. You however won't even remotely reach PvE endgame level, because you are a console pleb.

Tell me when you finished vAS +2, aka the meaningful part of the game.

After a few emp pushes I can tell you, Getting emp is entirely based on how much free time somebody has and having a "positive" KD/a is not the tell tale sign of a good pvper or a achievement on its own what so ever.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. they should make a brand new PvP focused ESO. They wouldn't worry about have to be finicky when designing skills and gear - they wouldn't be forced into catering for 2 completely playing styles and mechanics and could plough their creative energy into making a brilliant job of it.

They could get rid of the Alliances and instead encourage players to group together under leaders but after a certain, more players = penalties, as groups of over 20 players start to cause massive drops in xp, loot chances and armour and gear wearing out faster. You could still have decent sized guilds able to travel and fight together but huge zergs of multiple raids would be hammered. Hmm, taking that idea further, smaller groups could be rewarded for taking on and beating larger groups - the differences group sizes could be used to calculate various bonuses that aid the smaller groups

ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE: THE GREAT WAR (due for release 2025)

And with that release, This game would see PvP phased out with Cyroodiil and the Imperial City becoming massive new PvE zones.

Competitive PvP needs to be balanced separately from PvE and provide everyone with access to the same gear/level.

So long as it´s AvAvA you´re not gonna get balance anyways since good/bad gear, addons, voice chat and plain uneven numbers in fights are still there.

I don't hate it, I just don't want to play it in ESO. I think they should keep it seperate from PvE and not make you have to go into PvP zones to get things.

MajBludd wrote: »

So, why is pvp so bad for the game?

I don't think it's matter of hate it's just that pvp players are usually the ones that cry the loudest about "unbalanced" skill screwing over all PvE balance in process.

Quick question, how is PvP not repetitive? I'm seeing this used as a reason to dismiss pve, but PvP is just as repetitive if not more so. How many fights take place at the bridge over and over?

How many different ways can you run a scroll? Take a resource? Defend a resource? Attack a keep? Defend a keep? Attacking the front door with a ram is the quickest way in, how many different ways can you do this? On top of all that everything looks the same, keeps, resources, etc.

How often are you killed attacking a keep, die, respawn, ride back to that same keep and die again, rinse and repeat? What, because you get killed by a different group of players or kill them using different tactics than the last group breaks up the monotony of it? BG's is even more repetitive, despite the different modes as you end up seeing the same players over and over.

This is a genuine question. How do pvper's who only love PvP and hate pve in eso feel these actions aren't repetitive? Enter cyro, if solo type lfg, group up, stack on crown, ride out to attack or defend a keep/resource, die, respawn, ride back to location, rinse and repeat until objective is captured or defended. Crown picks new objective, rinse and repeat. Is this not how most experiences play out in cyro?

Enlighten me.