I don't think it's OP in pve at all due to the required melee range, long cooldown, and the fact that it's single target, but nearly a full hp bar for dps from a proc seems like a bit much. I think it could be receive a nerf specific to pvp, 19k is too much "free" damage to be coming from a proc.

I've had the set and have used it since the first day of the patch too for what it's worth.

edit: I see a lot of people here defending this set in pvp. I'm guessing a lot of you either 1) have the set and don't want to lose your iwin button, or 2) don't pvp.

18-20k damage from something that requires you to do absolutely nothing but be in range of your opponent is absurd. The argument that it only does x dps over time due to it's long cooldown sounds like something someone who doesn't pvp would say, as damage over time is not nearly as relevant to pvp as burst damage is. The only counterplay to a proc that will kill you if someone sneezes on you while it's going off being "do nothing but heal/shield yourself" or "run away" should make it obvious to anyone that the set is incredibly OP, especially with the amount of cc in ESO.

With every new dlc they introduce a new item(s) which will enhance a player’s character. This is done to drive sells for the new dlc. And the easiest way they can force pvp players into buying the dlc is to make the items enhance character attributes to a level where it is extremely difficult to impossible to overcome. The only options are to purchase the dlc and join the arms race, accept that you will be killed by someone’s item rng or just leave the game. This unfortunately the state of the game which is power for cash.

I do both PvE and PvP. I want Zaan's to have counterplay for PvP reasons but I want to keep it's damage for PvE reasons

I think you overestimate the skills of the average pvp'er, most don't even try to get away from Zaan. If they do, just spam crit rush.

PaixRomanus wrote: »

Oh no something in PvP is too powerful. Let's nerf it into the ground so it is useless in PvE.

I agree with OP saying that reliance on sets is an issue, but what you said there is very true, it is almost impossible for Zenimax to balance everything for both PvP and PvE at the same time and that issue leads to certain sets being nerfed way too much for either PvP or PvE.

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

How bout no. PvE has had to suffer through nerf after nerf after nerf because PvP

Nah, you know the ultimate answer: nerf PvE because of PvP. Else Rakkhat would complain.

ecru wrote: »

I don't think it's OP in pve at all due to the required melee range, long cooldown, and the fact that it's single target, but nearly a full hp bar for dps from a proc seems like a bit much. I think it could be receive a nerf specific to pvp, 19k is too much "free" damage to be coming from a proc.

I've had the set and have used it since the first day of the patch too for what it's worth.

edit: I see a lot of people here defending this set in pvp. I'm guessing a lot of you either 1) have the set and don't want to lose your iwin button, or 2) don't pvp.

18-20k damage from something that requires you to do absolutely nothing but be in range of your opponent is absurd. The argument that it only does x dps over time due to it's long cooldown sounds like something someone who doesn't pvp would say, as damage over time is not nearly as relevant to pvp as burst damage is. The only counterplay to a proc that will kill you if someone sneezes on you while it's going off being "do nothing but heal/shield yourself" or "run away" should make it obvious to anyone that the set is incredibly OP, especially with the amount of cc in ESO.

No, I'm pretty sure it's probably the baseline Dev's are given when creating new sets. Have you never noticed that stat return sets / cooldown works out to roughly the equivalent to a single set bonus in most cases?

Sets that add absurd amounts of Spell/Weapon Damage / cooldown workout to be about the same as the 100% always uptime of Jule's/Hundings.

It's not been stated that the design method is a good one, but it's still likely the design method, regardless.

Yes. the burst is high. Whether it's too high is yet to be determined for balance purposes. Coming from PTS, the Dev's apparently didn't think it so.

It's not as if there are not other skills and circumstances that make it difficult to get away and create distance from your opponent.

umagon wrote: »

With every new dlc they introduce a new item(s) which will enhance a player’s character. This is done to drive sells for the new dlc. And the easiest way they can force pvp players into buying the dlc is to make the items enhance character attributes to a level where it is extremely difficult to impossible to overcome. The only options are to purchase the dlc and join the arms race, accept that you will be killed by someone’s item rng or just leave the game. This unfortunately the state of the game which is power for cash.

The ironic part of this is that it's obtainable for PvP'ers without owning the DLC and without ever having set foot in the dungeon, let alone cleared it.

Wait long enough, and your perfect trait opportunity will be available at the Golden. Shoulders obtainable from enough regular pledge keys - no DLC even required.

That aspect was certainly never pushed for by 'PvE'ers'

If I remember correctly:

1. The beam from Zaan can be purged just like the beam from Malabeth.
2. Snares and roots are your friend against people using this set.
3. The game classified the proc as a dot so nightblade Cloak should suppress its damage.

Again 1-3 could have changed since I last checked.

Pirate Skeketon/Malabeth with Lingering Health Pors should be a very HARD counter to Zaan users.

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Waffennacht wrote: »

It's really really #$&+ing good and OP.

Either players like too much themselves, do not PvP, or just haven't faced it yet.

Sorry gents - if a dive being undodgeable was OP, Zaan is most definitely OP

Cool, lets nerf it then. Why would pve folks need anything to gain from doing the new content? OR even buying the new dlcs or continuing to pay for eso+?

Lets just keep throwing all that new gear in the garbage because people are getting killed by it 1 week after the dlc dropped... don't try to work anything out and find a solution in game or anything. Lets just complain until it gets a senseless nerf so no one uses it.

FYI, for pve this set is BARELY better than illambris for single target damage. 500 dps more from some recent parses i've seen.
Illambris totals around 2.5k and zaan gets close to 3k... except illambris hits an area and procs at range.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The ironic part of this is that it's obtainable for PvP'ers without owning the DLC and without ever having set foot in the dungeon, let alone cleared it.

Wait long enough, and your perfect trait opportunity will be available at the Golden. Shoulders obtainable from enough regular pledge keys - no DLC even required.

That aspect was certainly never pushed for by 'PvE'ers'

That is under the assumption that the items are on the golden vendor’s item table; and that the odds are evenly distributed. Which I would find hard to believe for sets that are tied to dlc. Golden is just a way for zos to claim the sets are available without purchase. Which is true in some cases but the reality is the wait to obtain them is normally measured in years not weeks. Also, all of this controversy over the proc sets in pvp could be ended by disabling all or certain sets of that nature in pvp areas. But if you notice they never do that.

The set is a little strong, but it's not OP/broken strong.

The sad thing that ZOS hasn't taken advantage of, that they said they would way back when they increased all numbers in the game by ten, is making small adjustments.

Let's say Zaan does 4847 per tick or whatever, instead of waiting three months for next major patch to nerf it to horrible levels or some other horrible change, they could literally just lower it the next standard patch to like 4747 and see if that nudges the power level down a little without making it horrible to use.

Kind of like, they added the invigorating trait to the game and everyone agrees its horrible - most suggestions to buff it have been OP, but they could literally just make it, say, 15 when golded per piece instead of 11 and see how strong it is, then lower or raise it another point in another month or two. But no, they just leave stuff not working well at all for months and months and then make huge changes that are half the time worse. You guys put a system in the game to be able to make small tweaks like that, use it.

if it was not obvious enough, to all the people that came here to type "L2P" or "git gud", thanks for coming into the discussion, but you can leave, you're not helping.

y`all say "just move away" yeah like a mdk when it procs won't just leap me then talons. Or u know, any other class can just hug me while i try to run away. I don't roll dodge 10 meters. Even if i dodge 2 times or sprint away, i have to give away so many resources for a free 15k damage from the enemy.

and PvE-ers, nobody said nerf its damage, we say nerf the way it deals damage. Sure let it deal 35k damage, but in a longer period or from a shorter distance. That would do no change to a pve dps. In pvp timed well with a cc and a ult will just kill a target very fast, like it wasn't fast enough without it.

i can just imagine some op tanks that don't die that permablock and then when it procs switch to 2h dizzy dbos execute.

Sergykid wrote: »

if it was not obvious enough, to all the people that came here to type "L2P" or "git gud", thanks for coming into the discussion, but you can leave, you're not helping.

y`all say "just move away" yeah like a mdk when it procs won't just leap me then talons. Or u know, any other class can just hug me while i try to run away. I don't roll dodge 10 meters. Even if i dodge 2 times or sprint away, i have to give away so many resources for a free 15k damage from the enemy.

and PvE-ers, nobody said nerf its damage, we say nerf the way it deals damage. Sure let it deal 35k damage, but in a longer period or from a shorter distance. That would do no change to a pve dps. In pvp timed well with a cc and a ult will just kill a target very fast, like it wasn't fast enough without it.

i can just imagine some op tanks that don't die that permablock and then when it procs switch to 2h dizzy dbos execute.

Cant have magicka DK actually viable in PvP now...considering how impossible the class was to play for the longest time, its a much needed buff to the class. it really is not hard to get away from a magicka DK...they dont use leap, the worst you have to worry about is chains and talons...easily countered by say...mist form