Eso racism getting out of hand

runagate · March 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

Lol in school you can't place someone on ignore list. That analogy was horrible. You have complete control over who you interact with in eso. If you choose to interact with people who abuse you then that is on you.

A kid being bullied in school doesn't have that option, he has to go to school. Also someone being bullied in person has the possibility of being physically harmed. Surely you see the huge flaws in your analogy. You have complete control with who you interact with online.

I am not defending anyone actions, but rather pointing out a very obvious solution. If people choose not to take action by placing the person on ignore then I would wager it must not of been bothering them very much.

There is a reason most game note that they can't place a rating on online gameplay. But nearly every game I have played place the option in the players hand, by allowing them to ignore/ block the person. If you choose not to that is on you.

You only get 100 ignores in-game. I filled that within 6 months of launch. I tend to remove those who've played least recently when I need to add another, much like my friends' list - though that's getting hard, because all but three play all the time.

I despise morons and IRL most of these fools wouldn't get out a second sentence when I'm present. They'd no longer be able to.

Sadly, the forums only allow 12 ignores. I'd barely be able to read half this thread.

Hand_Bacon · March 2017

I don't see an end to bullying behavior or ignorant rants coming anytime soon, if ever. I think we can agree that you can't bubble wrap the world enough to protect people from this type of behavior so we have to look elsewhere to combat it. That starts with people being aware of why people are like this, why they do what they do and how it really has nothing to do with the person who its directed at. Say what you want about the saying "sticks and stones", but its not a bad place to start.

srfrogg23 · March 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

Why would you jump to the conclusion that people are "defending" that behavior by saying "bock/ignore"?

Blocking, ignoring, and muting the offensive dweebs is a perfectly viable way to make them go away.

Defending them would be trying to make it sound like they were right or what they said was somehow OK.

Tavore1138 · March 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

Lol in school you can't place someone on ignore list. That analogy was horrible. You have complete control over who you interact with in eso. If you choose to interact with people who abuse you then that is on you.

A kid being bullied in school doesn't have that option, he has to go to school. Also someone being bullied in person has the possibility of being physically harmed. Surely you see the huge flaws in your analogy. You have complete control with who you interact with online.

I am not defending anyone actions, but rather pointing out a very obvious solution. If people choose not to take action by placing the person on ignore then I would wager it must not of been bothering them very much.

There is a reason most game note that they can't place a rating on online gameplay. But nearly every game I have played place the option in the players hand, by allowing them to ignore/ block the person. If you choose not to that is on you.

The analogy wasn't great but think of it this way - by reporting them and hopefully getting them banned you are actually doing them a favour in that they will learn in a non-critical environment that being a [blank] results in you getting removed from the group, much better that they learn this by being banned from an MMO than by being fired from a job, getting punched by a stranger or being sued for libel in the real world

Jaeysa · March 2017

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

I don't see an end to bullying behavior or ignorant rants coming anytime soon, if ever. I think we can agree that you can't bubble wrap the world enough to protect people from this type of behavior so we have to look elsewhere to combat it. That starts with people being aware of why people are like this, why they do what they do and how it really has nothing to do with the person who its directed at. Say what you want about the saying "sticks and stones", but its not a bad place to start.

It also starts with saying 'this isn't ok' if they're making these assertions publically. Speaking up in zone chat if you see it there. Being rude isn't against the TOS but flat-out racism and sexism, along with urging the person to commit suicide is. All I want is for ZoS to enforce their own rules on their own game. Someone shouldn't have to have the thickest skin in the world or fill up their block list in order to enjoy the game.

Imryll · March 2017

It's a bother, but do report--with screenshots so that it's clear what was actually said, and ZOS staff can tell at a glance whether speech violates the TOS. Things said in zone impact not only the person to whom remarks are addressed, but change the atmosphere for all players. Humongous ignore lists are not a solution. One shouldn't have to choose isolation in order to avoid verbal assault, and teamwork rather depends on communication among players. I assume that those advocating use of ignore lists wouldn't complain if a fellow attacker or defender missed instructions from fellow team members or didn't let all group members in on their plans because they were ignoring some of them, but I'm guessing that not everyone would be equally understanding of the situation.

bulbousb16_ESO · March 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blocking, ignoring, and muting the offensive dweebs is a perfectly viable way to make them go away.

No, actually, it is not. This will not make them "go away", this will only make them move on to someone else. You are doing the community a selfish disservice every time you do not report offensive behaviour, and instead only block/ignore the offender.

srfrogg23 · March 2017

Tavore1138 wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

Lol in school you can't place someone on ignore list. That analogy was horrible. You have complete control over who you interact with in eso. If you choose to interact with people who abuse you then that is on you.

A kid being bullied in school doesn't have that option, he has to go to school. Also someone being bullied in person has the possibility of being physically harmed. Surely you see the huge flaws in your analogy. You have complete control with who you interact with online.

I am not defending anyone actions, but rather pointing out a very obvious solution. If people choose not to take action by placing the person on ignore then I would wager it must not of been bothering them very much.

There is a reason most game note that they can't place a rating on online gameplay. But nearly every game I have played place the option in the players hand, by allowing them to ignore/ block the person. If you choose not to that is on you.

The analogy wasn't great but think of it this way - by reporting them and hopefully getting them banned you are actually doing them a favour in that they will learn in a non-critical environment that being a [blank] results in you getting removed from the group, much better that they learn this by being banned from an MMO than by being fired from a job, getting punched by a stranger or being sued for libel in the real world

I'm not doing them any favors. Their parents should have raised them better.

I think it's better to block them now and hope they get themselves fired, punched, or sued down the road

ku5h · March 2017

Have you ever played CoD? ESO is little baby in comparison. Ppl just need to develop some thicker skin and not get triggered by comments from total unknown. I am aware some ppl have self esteem problems, some have big ones, some small. If i were to get depressed by some randoms trowing insults at me (i am aware to some ppl this is a real issue), I would take a step back from all communication with internet community. Im saying this because IC can be a lot more brutal then anything i saw in ESO and someone with unstable mindset can pull himself over the ledge and God forbid hurt himself. We all read about it.
My suggestion is, interact more with RL ppl and step back from toxicity of internet. As a kid i was asy as *** and if anyone gave me criticism i would go on a verge of tears. Trough interaction with my friends, reciving insults (jokes on my behalf) and dishing out my own I developed a thick skin. Now if amazing looking girl came to me gave me a slap and told me "If you were last man on Earth i still wouldnt even look at you, how ugly you are!", I probably wouldnt even flinch, as a matter of fact i would probably give her such comeback, she would run off blushed and in tears.
Bottom line if I as a shy little kid as i was used internet as much as i do now and interacted with all toxicity out there, I bet i would develop some type of social disorder. Good thing i didnt and that i spent most of my teenage years outside with my friends and training sports. Today its different and kids spend most of their childhood communicating with complete strangers over the keyboard, no wander we have so many new social disorders.
Sish, seeing now what i wrote i feel kinda embarrassed to post this, dont wanna come on as a pHD in Social Sciences, but thats my take on it... and i typed to much for it to go to waste.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

rentalman UK wrote: »

Has any one suffered racist remarks, comments, sexual comments,sexist comments. If so what did you do about it. And was the matter resolved ?

When somebody acts like an total idiot / racist /or is insulting, on in-game-chat, I highly suggest using this method. It works 100% of time:

And believe me - there is no reason to waste your time & health on somebody "virtual" who is not worth it.

bulbousb16_ESO · March 2017

ku5h wrote: »

i feel kinda embarrassed to post this, dont wanna come on as a pHD in Social Sciences

No worries there.

Sigma957 · March 2017

I don't know how it works for console but for pc atleast you can set your online status to offline and noone can whisper to you. That will get rid of hateful tells other than that all you can do is report it.

RebornV3x · March 2017

The ESO community is really toxic probably one of the worst I've seen never played a game with so many verbally abusive people, crazies that probably need be locked up in a mental hospital and just straight up *** that like to be mean for no reason I thought the Battlefield and COD communities were bad what I've seen from the ESO players makes those others look like choir boys. If I wasn't such a Elders Scrolls fan I would have quit.

thebattlesaintb14_ESO · March 2017

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You can have the mental discipline to simply ignore them and continue on with your gametime.

If trash talk, particularly in an emotionally charged environment, such as PvP unhinges you, then it is having it's intended result. They want under your skin, because it makes you screw up.

By all means, report serious. Some [snip] people need a reality check and certain things are just not said, anywhere. But save that for serious cases. Reporting every person [snip] who talks smack in a game is just going to end up in the "crying wolf" category.

You want offensive? Hang out in a TOW room with cavalry scouts.

[edited for baiting and insults]

srfrogg23 · March 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Blocking, ignoring, and muting the offensive dweebs is a perfectly viable way to make them go away.

No, actually, it is not. This will not make them "go away", this will only make them move on to someone else. You are doing the community a selfish disservice every time you do not report offensive behaviour, and instead only block/ignore the offender.

I'm not the only one with the buttons. If they keep acting like turds, they keep getting blocked. It's like being exiled on a person by person basis.

I didn't break the world, it was like that when I got here.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · March 2017

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Just block and or report

@KaiVox22's advice here is exactly what we'd also advise with an emphasis on reporting. Please make sure you report any players who are using racial slurs, hate speech, making threats of real-life harm, or otherwise violating our Terms of Service. General in-game PvP smack-talk is one thing, but there's a pretty clear line that we expect our players not to cross.

This is the exact excerpt and verbiage from our Terms of Service for reference:

You agree not to use any Service to:
• Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

Sordidfairytale · March 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

General in-game PvP smack-talk is one thing,

PVP smack talk pales in comparison to PVE smack talk. Have you been in a group when someone is running an "other than approved" build?

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

I once called an Orc "milk-drinker" because he refused my duel request.

Pretty sure I called someone "S'wit" and "N'wah" too.

Does that count?

rotaugen454 · March 2017

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

General in-game PvP smack-talk is one thing,

PVP smack talk pales in comparison to PVE smack talk. Have you been in a group when someone is running an "other than approved" build?

Yeah, they don't like my Khajitti tank with all light armor and a Resto staff on both bars.

rentalman UK · March 2017

Thank you all for post contributions nice to hear all positives thank you keep them comming

Youarc · March 2017

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PVP smack talk pales in comparison to PVE smack talk. Have you been in a group when someone is running an "other than approved" build?

I agree with this. Been on the receiving end of this in PVE on my tank character. I believe I've made an extremely rough, durable tank that is almost entirely pure stamina & high health. For that reason, I don't utilize chains/talons combo because there's just not enough magicka/sustain to keep that up. I keep my taunts going strong and healers can pretty much worry about everyone BUT me. But because I don't run chains/talons I have heard plenty of PVE smack talk lmao. I just play the way I am comfortable and find different groups. Sometimes that's what you have to do.

rentalman UK · March 2017

thebattlesaintb14_ESO wrote: »

You can have the mental discipline to simply ignore them and continue on with your gametime.

If trash talk, particularly in an emotionally charged environment, such as PvP unhinges you, then it is having it's intended result. They want under your skin, because it makes you screw up.

By all means, report serious. Some people need a reality check and certain things are just not said, anywhere. But save that for serious cases. Reporting every person who talks smack in a game is just going to end up in the "crying wolf" category.

You want offensive? Hang out in a TOW room with cavalry scouts.

Some people are more sensitive and take the hate seriously as a personal threat I have had 1 guild mate take me in to private chat and asked if it is possible for someone to hlget his home address. He was well scared I reassured him and advised bring it to my attention anytime and I will address. This was one member who takes all to hear based on illness. He was very upset and did not come back on the game for a few days and he used to be on it most of each day. So we have to protect where possible

[minor edit for quote]

thebattlesaintb14_ESO · March 2017

Usually, I just treat them like I treated marines when I was in the Army. Ask em how those crayons taste.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2017

That's PvP trash. I'm not saying all PvEers are nice and polite, but it's definitely much worse in PvP.

You can report, and maybe ZOS will act, but until they do (and in case they don't), you should learn to protect yourself.

I don't bother blocking individuals in Cyrodiil. I disable whispers, plain and simple. And if needed, I disable /zone too. Problem solved. My skin isn't thick enough to tale some distance from the hate speech, therefore I choose to not receive any speech at all.

And don't forget that it's only a minority of people playing it that way. Even in Cyrodiil, most people are nice.

Zvorgin · March 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

How on earth can you equate telling the person to ignore the abuser to defending the abuser? Ignoring the abuser is the short term, most immediate solution. Solving an issue is not defending the behavior.

I for one have not come across many bad apples, but usually group up with the same folks and if I pug in Cyrodiil I usually kick people who feel it necessary to spew profanity laced tirades as they fight.

Sadistic_Savior · March 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

I once called an Orc "milk-drinker" because he refused my duel request.

Pretty sure I called someone "S'wit" and "N'wah" too.

Does that count?

I advocated for the genocide of khajiit and Argonians one time...said something about how the only thing they are good for is slaves. I got called a racist for that lol. (and by more than one person).

Yes, you can be a racist for oppressing completely fictional races now.

kevlarto_ESO · March 2017

I get mostly hate tells called some foul things mostly relating to sexual preference, and most of these tells come from the elite players that got hurt over getting killed by one of us commoners, I have reported them and blocked them sad thing is several these players are streamers and zos'es babies so nothing ever gets done because of the favoritism they receive zos'es golden boys are not so golden. I have never once sent a tell but I have answered a few.

But all you can do is report and block like others have suggested. Just remember you are the better person for not sending racial or sexual charged tells.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · March 2017

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PVP smack talk pales in comparison to PVE smack talk. Have you been in a group when someone is running an "other than approved" build?

Fair point.

Definitely a different flavor of smack-talk than the PvP variety.

waterfairy · March 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Welcome to the internet and gaming world.

Pretty much. If you don't want to be insulted then turn off voice and text chat...you can't turn off ignorance.

Youarc · March 2017

Sadistic_Savior wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

I once called an Orc "milk-drinker" because he refused my duel request.

Pretty sure I called someone "S'wit" and "N'wah" too.

Does that count?

I advocated for the genocide of khajiit and Argonians one time...said something about how the only thing they are good for is slaves. I got called a racist for that lol. (and by more than one person).

Yes, you can be a racist for oppressing completely fictional races now.

All these 2 posts remind me of is the nord at the tavern in Windhelm in Skyrim lmao:
"Only thing I hate worse than those Scalebacks are them filthy Grey Skins. Don't like it? This is our city. We should kick those Grey Skins out like we did the Scalebacks"

On a side note, I've always said milk-drinker is one of the best insults I've ever heard