@Alcast and many others have voiced opinions about how poorly stamplar performs right now. They lack sustain, they lack useful self buffs, they lack useful passives, and my personal largest concern is that they lack stamina dps morphs.

Templars need dps skills that scale off of stam and WD/ deals physical. Blazing spear and luminous shards are both perfect candidates for this. EDIT: Aso one of the posters below stated, another great option for a stam morph is explosive charge. It is completely unused and would allow stamplars to run a gap closer on a DW bar (DW generally necessary for jab damage currentley). This would simplify rotation by removing a barswap, which appears to be one of the goals with the balance changes according the the balance direction post.

Templars lack any passives useful to stamina, aside from the 4% general cost reduction and %6 damage. We need better passives! Stamplar passives are out performed by the passives of every other class, undoubtedly.

Templars major ward/resolve buff, rune focus, is a ground based buff.
You need to stand in it every 8 seconds to get the buff. This restricts movement severely which is vital to stamplars, especially in pvp. The morph "restoring focus" could be modified to be a self buff, making it far more viable, OR it could be modified to restore stamina, similar to how the other morph restores magicka.

Biting jabs is VERY inaccurate against moving targets (specifically players in pvp), and the cost MUST BE reduced so that it is on par with other stam dps skills (surprise attack, flurry). Sustain is near impossible when your spammable abillity hits ~50% of the time, if you're lucky, and costs 2x as much as the other spammable ability's utilized by other stam DPS classes.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if you look at the other stamplar feedback threads or the trial leaders boards, you'll notice that many trial guilds DO NOT ALLOW stamplars into their groups. This is because stamplars are currently INCAPABLE of keeping up DPS or providing unique utillity/debuffs like the other stam classes can. They need a serious rework.

^yeah, what they said!!

Do not remove the cc from blazing spear. There is nothing wrong with it.

the spear stun nerf is really disappointing, radiant really did need a nerf but i dnt think damage was it, i feel like a decrease in range would have been more useful.

Thank you for making this thread Gina.

Stamina Templar is so far in the gutter right now in terms of balance that they need something dramatic. This class has been bottom for the barrel for over a year, and has gotten to a point where we are not only no longer desired in PVE or PVP raids, we simply are not even invited.

While the Backlash buff is certainly nice for Stamplars, unless the tooltip damage on an unbuffed stamplar is like 10k - it's simply not enough to afford Stamplars a spot anywhere.

Please re-evaluate the following skill immediately -

Biting Jabs - DODGEABLE (making this skill the single most frustrating skill in PVP as well as making it the only stamina morph of a skill that does not operate under the same combat conditions as the base skill), good damage spammable that suffers from a long cast time, inability to animation cancel but most importantly offers a redundant buff that is widely available. It's also painfully expensive.

technohic wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Quick update.

The magicka steal is capped at 400 per second no matter how many enemies have the debuff on them. Also you need to be hitting the enemy with damage (Dot's also work) so it's not just a per second defacto infusion of magicka.

So you can debuff 10 enemies with the skill, and AoE them like mad, but it will still be only maximum of 400/s.

Also will work with your "allies", so I assume they mean people in your group.

edit: still is pretty nice, can go with Restoring Focus instead of Channeled Focus as long as you keep some damage on the enemy at all times.

Does it still provide the resource regens on activation or does it only do magicka steal now?

The 20% additional regens are gone.

The cost on my character is 2565 magicka, with no reduction jewelry. I have 100 in CP cost reduction. Basically you will get the cast amount back in 6 seconds, with 12 more seconds of "free" 400/s magicka regen.

After a 3m fight with a boss in Wayrest my magicka got down to 30% at the end using no potions and around 1200 magicka regen using +health, +magicka, + magicka regen food/drink? (The witches brew food). So without the witches brew I would probably have to use potions, but I was able to switch all my jewelry to spell damage.

edit: I am in heavy currently mind you.

@Alcast
@templesus
@ManDraKE
@Liam12548
@Some_Guy
@Spearblade
@Zinaroth
@WldKarde
@izzakhalil
@Vulsin

Just tagged all the Stamplar mains that I can think of. I am requesting two things from you all-

1) Can we all agree that, if anything, Biting Jabs needs to be addressed in some manner before HOMESTEAD hits live?
2) Can we please pollute this thread with Stamplar's rustled jimmies to ensure we are infact the squeekiest wheel?

usmcjdking wrote: »

@Alcast
@templesus
@ManDraKE
@Liam12548
@Some_Guy
@Spearblade
@Zinaroth
@WldKarde
@izzakhalil
@Vulsin

Just tagged all the Stamplar mains that I can think of. I am requesting two things from you all-

1) Can we all agree that, if anything, Biting Jabs needs to be addressed in some manner before HOMESTEAD hits live?
2) Can we please pollute this thread with Stamplar's rustled jimmies to ensure we are infact the squeekiest wheel?

A lot more than just Biting Jabs. Passives are mostly garbage, ultimates are nearly useless, Rune Focus limits mobility, both gap closers are oddly magicka, Power of the Light sucks, Repentance is only useful if you're the only templar in group/nearby...

Just...bah.

Liam12548 wrote: »

@Alcast and many others have voiced opinions about how poorly stamplar performs right now. They lack regeneration, they lack useful self buffs, they lack useful passives, and my personal largest concern is that they lack stamina dps morphs.

Templars need an AoE dps that scales off of stam and WD/ deals physical. Blazing spear and luminous shards are both perfect candidates for this. EDIT: Aso one of the posters below stated, another great option for a stam morph is explosive charge. It is completely unused and would allow stamplars to run a gap closers on their DW bars, which would alleviate alot of dps issues in pvp.

Templars lack any passives useful to stamina, aside from the 4% general cost reduction and %6 damage. We need better passives!

Templars major ward/resolve buff, r7ne focus, is a ground based buff.
You need to stand in it every 8 seconds to get the buff. This restricts movement severely which is vital to stamplars, especially in pvp.

Biting jabs is VERY innacurate against moving targets (specifically players in pvp), and the cost MUST BE reduced so that it is on part with other stam dps skills (surprise attack, flurry).

@ZOS_GinaBruno if you look at the other stamplar feedback threads or the trial leaders boards, you'll notice that many trial guilds DO NOT ALLOW stamplars into their groups. This is because stamplars are currently INCAPABLE of keeping up DPS like the other stam classes can. They need a serious rework.

Another valid option for Stamplar aoe could be the other morph of Dark Flare...You know that melee range aoe pulse thing that nobody uses? That thing.

Thank you for the official feedback thread.

I can second the sentiments that Stamina based Templars are severely lacking in support compared to other class changes. A morph to Toppling charge and/or Spear Shards would be the most directly logical interventions. The AOE morph of Dark Flare would also be a possible candidate, as that morph is rarely used as far as most people I've encountered from new players to old veterans. An adjustment to Radiant Aura's new Magickasteal mechanic to provide a "Stamina Steal" effect would also potentially be useful and provide an interesting alternative to Repentance (and one more useful in most PVP situations where dead bodies rarely linger long enough to benefit this skill.

Radiant Destruction was very powerful. The 21% decrease feels quite inelegant a solution though. If the issue was its power in PVP, then a range adjustment seems like a much better solution. If you have to be much closer to a templar to get "beamed", then it's far easier to bash or interrupt the channel. to a power decrease. It would also counter the ability of templars to stack stats for damage and "hide" up on walls or terrain features and "beam" from safety. However, if the primary concern was PVE effectiveness, then I would concede that an adjustment to the total damage would be warranted. I understand that doing nearly 40% (on average) of many high-end DPS parses is quite high, as is the ability to start using it from 40% boss HP. However, if the goal is making that 40% (either or both of total damage contribution or execute start %) number lower, then perhaps adjusting the damage scaling to kick at a lower percentage would be a better stratagem? I'll be calculating the total effective decrease in coming days thanks to the amazing test dummies that I am eagerly anticipating trying.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Reflective light needs to be rethought out. That skill is useless.

Reflective light is great

Nifty2g wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Reflective light needs to be rethought out. That skill is useless.

Reflective light is great

How so?